The BN Village  
Home Register FAQ Members Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Welcome to the African and Caribbean Social network.

You are currently are in guest mode which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access other features. By joining this free African Caribbean Social utility you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), upload images, add videos, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join the African and Caribbean community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
Go Back   The BN Village > Welcome to The Black Forum - The Black net Village > Spirituality & Religion Village
Reload this Page Islam never stopped spreading from the time of Adam!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
imported post
(#26 (permalink))
Old
DtotheJ is Offline
Villager Senior
DtotheJ
 
Posts: 3,161
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: , New Jersey, USA
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 01:31 AM

Big L.....your reply was funny.."African americans this and african americans that"....and all the while your username and signature are from an african american rapper..



excuse me while I laugh..



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA





if you don't want to or CAN'T reply to what I wrote just say so..don't go off on tangents..that make you look crazy....
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Share On Face Book!Stumble this Post!
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement
Advertisement Sponsored links

imported post
(#27 (permalink))
Old
SOLOMON is Offline
Excluded
SOLOMON
 
Posts: 1,417
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: , , USA
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 02:25 AM

I was born in America and, sadly, you are correct...



...you African Americans are like a car accident victim on a life support machine. Without the help of the state you would be dead. i see African Americans like to chat sh!t about topics they have not searched about?...




Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Share On Face Book!Stumble this Post!
Reply With Quote
imported post
(#28 (permalink))
Old
SOLOMON is Offline
Excluded
SOLOMON
 
Posts: 1,417
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: , , USA
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 02:54 AM

Now, we were taught Christianity, while enslaved.

Daniel 3:17: If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace; and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king.

To have this type of faith, one must basically believe they had already been "delivered".


can you imagine holding that faith, even while entering the "fiery furnace"?


THAT IS TRUE FAITH!




---------------------Now, the Caucasians taught us Christianity, while we were enslaved. if Jesus was really the equal of God, would he have said these things?------------------



[27] Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you; not as the world
gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let
them be afraid.
[28] You heard me say to you, `I go away, and I will come to you.' If
you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father;
***for the Father is greater than I.***[29] And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it
does take place, you may believe.
JOHN 14





[17] And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt
before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit
eternal life?"

[18] And Jesus said to him,
***"Why do you call me good? No one is
good but God alone.***
[19] You know the commandments: `Do not kill, Do not commit adultery,
Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your
father and mother.'"
MARK 10




---------------Now, I think most, if not all of us, will agree, slavery as well as having to "fight" for "equal rights", was not fair! Yet, we accept that the religion, taught to us, by the same people, is somehow correct! No questions asked!!! ---------------

[28] Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are
in the tombs will hear ***his*** voice
[29] and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of
life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.
[30]***"I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge; and
my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of
him who sent me.***
[31] If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true;
[32] there is another who bears witness to me, and I know that the
testimony which he bears to me is true.
JOHN 5









if you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!








If you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Share On Face Book!Stumble this Post!
Reply With Quote
imported post
(#29 (permalink))
Old
SOLOMON is Offline
Excluded
SOLOMON
 
Posts: 1,417
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: , , USA
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 03:09 AM

This is an extremelyfoolish comment...

For all I am concerned, the aggressive nature of the religion is indicative of Whites, so it suits them.

So, is Christianity proved incorrect by the actions of Caucasian "Christian" countries?

HuH? Can't hear you!

[img]http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htfR614oREzdwAiRujzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBsdmIydTZ hBHNlYwNwcm9mBHZ0aWQDSTAwMV83MA--/SIG=11u6tm6or/EXP=1149645877/**http%3a//www.inminds.co.uk/apr12-03-0272.jpg[/img]


Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Share On Face Book!Stumble this Post!
Reply With Quote
imported post
(#30 (permalink))
Old
SOLOMON is Offline
Excluded
SOLOMON
 
Posts: 1,417
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: , , USA
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 03:10 AM


The Acts of the Democracies
Images from Iraq War 2003 : Gallery 1

[line]



smoking-devil mad-moonie sport-smiley blkafro blknoway blkbuttkick blkthumbsdown blkangry blkbooty blktoungue blkpoke blkflush blksadbounce blktears blkwall blkpain hheadbigno ower






The bombing of Baghdad. "Shock and awe".









Young girl - victim of the bombing. 42% of Iraq's population is under 15.









Child - another bombing victim.









A frightened child in hospital.









Dead Iraqi soldiers.
Soldiers are fathers, sons and brothers of Iraqi civilians.









Dead Iraqi soldiers at Umm Qasr.
Note the white flag of surrender.









Injured and frightened civilians plead for help.









Injured man with burns in hospital.









Soldier raising USA flag at Umm Qasr.
This was quickly taken down for propaganda reasons.









Bomb damage in residential district of Baghdad.

Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Share On Face Book!Stumble this Post!
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement
Advertisement Sponsored links

imported post
(#31 (permalink))
Old
Shemsi en Tehuti's Avatar
Shemsi en Tehuti is Offline
Villager Senior
Shemsi en Tehuti is an unknown quantity at this point
 
Posts: 4,160
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: , Florida, USA
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 12:49 PM

SOLOMON wrote:
Quote:
This is an extremelyfoolish comment...

For all I am concerned, the aggressive nature of the religion is indicative of Whites, so it suits them.

So, is Christianity proved incorrect by the actions of Caucasian "Christian" countries?

HuH? Can't hear you!


=================================
Quote:
You of all people should know that Whites taught Africans the passive and submissive parts of the Bible, but practiced the more aggressive segments. I think that topic has been well overdone andone could produce manypassages of the Bible used forthese purposes by enslaving Europeans.


A Luta Continua—Lasima Tushinde Mbilishaka
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Share On Face Book!Stumble this Post!
Reply With Quote
imported post
(#32 (permalink))
Old
SOLOMON is Offline
Excluded
SOLOMON
 
Posts: 1,417
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: , , USA
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 01:24 PM



You of all people should know that Whites taught Africans the passive and submissive parts of the Bible, but practiced the more aggressive segments. I think that topic has been well overdone andone could produce manypassages of the Bible used forthese purposes by enslaving Europeans.


please, stop makin' weak azz excuuses for Caucasuan Christians




THE FOLLOWING IN NO WAY PROVES THE RELIGION OF CHRISTIANITY TO BE FALSE. ONE MUST DIG DEEPER.

Christians Murdered Indians

By Corporate Avenger


Even in the initial stages of contact between European Christians and Native Indian people the stage was set for ethnocentrism, and the attitude towards the Indians was that of Christian superiority.
The Indians were read a proclamation in Spanish which they had no hope of understanding, they had no hope of understanding the death sentence they were being read, and it went something like this:
"We ask and require you to acknowledge the church as the ruler and superior of the whole world and the high priest called pope and in his name the king of Spain as lords of this land. If you submit we shall receive you in all love and charity and shall leave you, your wives and children and your lands free without servitude, but if you do not submit we shall powerfully enter into your country and shall make war against you, we shall take you and your wives and your children and shall make slaves of them and we shall take away your goods and shall do you all the harm and damage we can."

2000 years ago we were all tribal.
Then came the missionaries
With their @#%$ bible.
1492 began the termination,
The holocaust of our Indian nations.


With Christian love
And a moral authority.
They killed our medicine men
And stole our country.
I never claimed this @#%$ was poetry.
It's just the @#%$ lies of Christianity


You will pray to the lord
And get down on your knees.
Here's a cross for your back
And the coughing disease.
Though you helped us survive
We will laugh while you bleed.
Then deny what we did,
Write our own history.


We will kidnap your children
And cut off their hair.
Silence their language
And outlaw their prayers,
Beat them blind until they believe.
In the blood of Jesus Christ our king.


Christians murdered Indians

Columbus murdered children
And now we have a holiday.
Still you want to deny your history.
Look to the sky for your god to justify,
As you commit cultural genocide.


Christians came
And the natives they did hang
13 at a time for Jesus and his gang.
We are the ones you had to dehumanize.
So your murder and greed
Could be justified.


The belly of the church is full
With the blood of all those heathen fools.
Who would not receive the gift of Christ?
So we burned them as a sacrifice.
To our baby killing god above.
To our mother church and all her love.
We will steal their gods and subjugate.
Those who don't believe we'll annihilate.


The Spaniards made bets as to who would slit a man in two or cut off his head with one blow. They tore babies from their mother's breast by their feet and dashed their head against the rocks. They hanged Indians by thirteen in honor and reverence for their redeemer and their twelve apostles. They put wood underneath and with fire burned the Indians alive.

Christians murdered Indians

We believe in the earth, the sky
And dreams.
The universe
And the creator who gave us these.
The sacred gift of life and human beings.
That makes you perpetrate the hate
To annihilate?


So here I am the savage civilized.
Voice of the dead and my ancestor's cries.
And like the ghosts of this land
You can't erase.
I see blood on the hands Of the master race.


500 years of manifest destiny.
500 years of resistance to the enemy


You have faith in the rivers,
The mountains, the trees.
We've a murdering god
To replace all of these.
With the blood of forgiveness
You too can be free.
Or the wrath of Jehovah You're sure to receive.


We will baptize you
With the blood of the lamb.
With the sword and the gospel
We will conquer your land.
You will join our church
And be glad to be saved.
Or we'll slaughter your children
And your women we'll rape.


Christians murdered Indians

I see blood on the hands of the master race...
==================suleiman = wise abdul = slave of
Rahman = The Benificent or The Doer of Good
so, the wise slave of, The Doer of Good
"Pluto sits out there, but still just a touch of the Sun moves her."
----------














[align=center]












if you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!

[img]http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=luke+cage/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=1274ch1iv/EXP=1119576804/*-http%3A//www.darkstarcinema.net/foto/luke_cage_01.jpg[/img]

[/align]


Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Share On Face Book!Stumble this Post!
Reply With Quote
imported post
(#33 (permalink))
Old
SOLOMON is Offline
Excluded
SOLOMON
 
Posts: 1,417
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: , , USA
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 01:45 PM

[align=left]what "Christians" didto my ancestors...[/align]


[align=left]

[/align]


[align=left]"turn the other cheek", I aint![/align]


[align=left]

[/align]


[align=left][/align]


[align=left]

[/align]


[align=left]Especially to those that, attempt to "justify" the actions of some Christians...











































Michael Donald was born in Mobile, Alabama, in 1962. He attending a local trade school and worked part-time at the Mobile Press Register.

In 1981 the trial of Josephus Andersonan, an African American charged with the murder of a white policeman, took place in Mobile. At the end of the case the jury was unable to reach a verdict. This upset members of the Ku Klux Klan who believed that the reason for this was that some members of the jury were African Americans. At a meeting held after the trial, Bennie Hays, the second-highest ranking official in the Klan in Alabama said: "If a black man can get away with killing a white man, we ought to be able to get away with killing a black man."

On Saturday 21st March, 1981, Bennie Hays's son, Henry Hays, and James Knowles, decided they would get revenge for the failure of the courts to convict the man for killing a policeman. They travelled around Mobile in their car until they found nineteen year old Donald walking home. After forcing him into the car Donald was taken into the next county where he was lynched.

A brief investigation took place and eventually the local police claimed that Donald had been murdered as a result of a disagreement over a drugs deal. Donald's mother, Beulah Mae Donald, who knew that her son was not involved with drugs, was determined to obtain justice. She contacted Jessie Jackson who came to Mobile and led a protest march about the failed police investigation.

Thomas Figures, the assistant United States attorney in Mobile, managed to persuade the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to look into the case. James Bodman was sent to Mobile and it did not take him long to persuade James Knowles to confess to the killing of Michael Donald.

In June 1983, Knowles was found guilty of violating Donald's civil rights and was sentenced to life imprisonment. Six months later, when Henry Hays was tried for murder, Knowles appeared as chief prosecution witness. Hays was found guilty and sentenced to death.

With the support of Morris Dees and Joseph J. Levin at the Southern Poverty Law Centre (SPLC), Beulah Mae Donald decided that she would use this case to try and destroy the Ku Klux Klan in Alabama. Her civil suit against the United Klans of America took place in February 1987. The all-white jury found the Klan responsible for the lynching of Michael Donald and ordered it to pay 7 million dollars. This resulted the Klan having to hand over all its assets including its national headquarters in Tuscaloosa.

After a long-drawn out legal struggle, Henry Hayes was executed on 6th June, 1997. It was the first time a white man had been executed for a crime against an African American since 1913.


The lynching of Michael Donald

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



(1) The trial of James Knowles in June, 1983.

James Knowles: I've lost my family. I've got people after me now. Everything I said is true. I was acting as a Klansman when I done this. And I hope people learn from my mistake. I do hope you decide a judgement against me and everyone else involved. (Turning towards Beulah Mae Donald.) I can't bring your son back. God knows if I could trade places with him, I would. I can't. Whatever it takes - I have nothing. But I will have to do it. And if it takes me the rest of my life to pay it, any comfort it may bring, I hope it will.

Beulah Mae Donald: I do forgive you. From the day I found out who you all was, I asked God to take care of you all, and he has.



(2) Jesse KornBluth, A Mother's Justice, the Sunday Times (31st January, 1988)

From its new headquarters the SPLC undertook in 1984 its biggest anti-Klan project - using Mrs Donald's civil suit to dismantle Robert Shelton's branch of the Klan. Sheldon's men had been involved in the beating of Freedom Riders at the Birmingham bus station in 1961, in the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in Birmingham in 1963 and in the shooting of Viola Liuzzo near Selma in 1965.



(3) Frances Coleman, Mobile Register (1st June, 1997)

June 6 will be a sad day for Alabamians, whether their skins are white, black or brown. On that day -- the previous night, really, at 12:01 a.m. -- the state of Alabama will electrocute Henry Francis Hays for beating a black man to death 16 years ago, and then hanging his body from a tree.

The execution will rip the scab from the old, deep, nasty wound of racism, which in the 20th-century South alternately heals and festers. It will fester again this week as residents of the Heart of Dixie re-live the brutal death of 19-year-old Michael Donald.

It is a story of contrasts: The murderer, a white man, grew up in a home filled with hate and violence. The victim was reared by a loving mother and doting older siblings.

Henry Hays knew what he was about that night, when he and a friend set out to kill a black man. Michael Donald, on the other hand, was innocently walking up the street on a spring evening in Mobile to buy some cigarettes, when fate delivered him into the white men's hands.

Most vivid, though, is the contrast between fiction and reality. Michael Donald was murdered - beaten to death with a tree limb - not in the 1930s or '40s, even in the 1960s, but in 1981. Such things weren't supposed to happen almost 30 years after the Supreme Court declared "separate but equal'' unconstitutional, and nearly 20 years after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Nor were they supposed to happen in Mobile, which in the 1960s had somehow managed to avoid the racial violence that erupted in Selma and Birmingham.

Black men kidnapped and beaten, their bodies strung up in a tree? That was something that happened on the dark back roads of Dallas County or over in the Mississippi Delta, not in Alabama's second-largest city.

But hate crimes aren't constrained by time, place or suppositions. The reality is that Michael Donald died just 16 years ago at the hands of two Ku Klux Klansmen. So what if his death came years after lynchings were supposed to have ceased, and in a place not known for such things?

Barely out of childhood, he was a tragic, latter-day victim of a time when it was safer to be white - when to be a black girl or woman was to invite sexual violence, and to be a black boy or man was to evoke daily disrespect, laced always with the potential for a fatal confrontation.

In the early hours of Friday morning, Henry Hays will pay for ending Michael Donald's life that day in 1981. He claims that he is innocent - death row residents generally say that - but the evidence shows otherwise. Yet Hays is also a victim, albeit in a much different way than Donald.

Reared by an abusive father who beat his sons mercilessly, he was steered into a life of brutality and hate - a life that one day included membership in the KKK. Hays learned little about love and less about tolerance.

Death penalty advocates tout execution as a deterrent to crime, and maybe it is in some respects. Henry Hays' death, though, will serve mostly as a sad commentary on a society that in 1997 - less than three years from the turn of the century - is having to electrocute a man for murdering another man, solely because of the color of his skin.


[/align]
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Share On Face Book!Stumble this Post!
Reply With Quote
imported post
(#34 (permalink))
Old
East_African is Offline
Villager
East_African
 
Posts: 879
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: , ,
Post imported post - 06-06-06, 02:00 PM

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:

Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Again, this is where you Muslims do not tell the whole story whether intentional or not. I have hadSomali friends (most have been female because you guys have some hot women). The non-Muslim Somalis I have spoken to say the very first Somali (or East African) Muslims enslaved the dissenters (who wouldn't submit to Islam) and sold the women into concubinage into Arabia and castrated the males to sell them into servitude to Arabia as well.*this same slave-raiding spread toWest African with the over1,000 mile trek to East Africa* Thereby the whole truth has been squelched for some time now, and becomes rather unspoken.Muslim religious ego would have Africans to believe that everything was all good, butwe know better.
Well your friends must be misleading you, obviously tohide thier own involvement in slavery. Are those people christians? if so then ask them the following or at least them ask them foran explanation. Simply blaming it on the muslims willnotsolve any problems!There was a mass conversion of thefrom their indegenous religion to islam as opposed orthodox christianity!Ask them who raided the majority of thewomen being shipped of to arabia?
http://etudesafricaines.revues.org/document137.htm
Quote:


If Christianity has a long history in Abyssinia, going back to the first half of 4th Century, so too does Islam have a venerable history going back to the time of the prophet Mohammed since it was first introduced in this part of the Horn of Africa in the early 7th Century. Yet, many including in the Islamic world, do not know that almost half of the Ethiopian population are Muslims. Christianity became the state religion and an established church (Taddesse Tamrat 1972; Kaplan 1988). It furnished unqualified ideological support for the monarchy, state power and for its conquests. Eventually it provided the legitimizing ideology for the empire-state. For this reason Ethiopia was seen as “an Island of Christianity in an Ocean of Pagans�. The monarchy was inseparable from the Church and the two institutions fully supported each other until the collapse of the former and the consequent disestablishment of the Church in 1974. The historical and ideological role of the Church in the Abyssinian society was underlined by Gebru Tareke (1991: 15) in the following terms:


As opposed to Christianity, which embodied official/establishment religion, Islam was seen as anti-establishment religion and the religion of oppressed peoples. The Ethiopian ruling elites perceived it as their archenemy–and often presented the country as an “Island of Christianity in an Ocean of Muslims and pagans�. Thus, to those who were opposed to the Amhara, Islam served as a refuge. As Trimingham (1952: 101) noted, “[…] Islam’s force of expansion amongst pagans in Ethiopia was helped by the fact that it was the religion hostile to the Amharic race who lorded it over them.� For his part, Ethiopian historiographers of the last century and, in particular, Menelik’s contemporary, Astme, clearly confirms this point of view when describing the Islamisation of the Oromo. After giving the chronology of the Islamization of different Oromo groups before the end the last century Astme stated: “Even now, the rest of the Galla prefer to be Muslim rather than Christian, because they hate the Amhara; the Amhara priests, the bishop and the clergy do not like the Galla. They believe that Christianity cannot be understood by those whose ancestors were not Christians. Therefore, they do not teach them� (Bairu Tafla 1987

Furthermore regarding slavery if the muslims are to take all the blame.Ask your friends why?No one discusses the following:



The most paralyzing thing one has to consider in the history of this unfortunate affairs is, the depth and intensity of the slave commerce that went on in Ethiopia, literally century in and century out, which has left a great insecurity over those who were its victims be it the Oromo, the Wolayta, or the Benshangul. And although they, at the present moment, by definition, are the majority of today's Ethiopia, in reality, they still are at the mercy of the descendants of the Abyssinian slaveholders, principally the Amhara and their Tigrean cohorts. The chilling tragedy about these people that one is forced to face in reading the history of the Ethiopian slave trade is, how humans were treated as if they were herds of animals. As historian Mordechai Abir recounted, those who were caught by slave traders