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The most famous jewish person in medina just before the time of islam was called "abdullah(servant of allah""While the arabs where called "abdullat"(after moon god).So why was a jew called abdullah? And not abdulelohim, or abduljehova?Furthermore if you see the language jesus spoke(aramaic) The word for god is Elah/ or Allah.Ask a christian in the middle east what the name of theirgod is, they will tell you"Allah".
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Fair enough...but what about Adam. This thread is about how Adam supposedly was a Muslim. Adam never said such, but it is only replacement theology of Muslims.
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The most famous jewish person in medina just before the time of islam was called "abdullah(servant of allah""While the arabs where called "abdullat"(after moon god).So why was a jew called abdullah? And not abdulelohim, or abduljehova?Furthermore if you see the language jesus spoke(aramaic) The word for god is Elah/ or Allah.Ask a christian in the middle east what the name of theirgod is, they will tell you"Allah".
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Fair enough...but what about Adam. This thread is about how Adam supposedly was a Muslim. Adam never said such, but it is only replacement theology of Muslims.
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Islam teaches that Adam was simply a monotheist and that every nation was sent a messenger/prophet to convey to them the message of monotheism.......
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And for every Ummah (a community or a nation), there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (Qur'ân 10:47)
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This is where the replacement theology of Christians and Muslims is severely flawed. You see, anyone can write a book after the fact and claim so and so was such and such. Unless the Torah has Adam proclaiming Islam or acknowledging Allah, where it was recognized by the followers of that word as well which would have transcended to present day, then your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on. All you have is the Qur'an written hundreds of years after the Torah exercising gratuitous replacement theology...it just doesn't fly...
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This isonly indtcative of YOUR disbeief.
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Of course the following wouldn't happen...Adam proclaiming Islam or acknowledging Allah.
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I doubt, very seriously, Adam spoke Arabic or, the Biblic
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can there be a rule about people starting threads.....getting replies and never addressing them getting their accounts frozen until they address the replies in their own threads....
would cut down on lot of spam....
and yes Big L..I'm referring to YOU.......
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also, does The ACTIONS of those who CAIM TO FOLLOW A FAITH PROVE IT IS LEGIT OR NOT?
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Certainly....I'll respond...
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I haven't followed the entire side argument but there is no way that any can say whether a religion is legit or not.....
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That's the height of arrogance to even think that we can do that....
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Peopel beleive what they choose to beleive...all religions are man made and had to be started at one time or naother...length of time practiced or the amount of followers doesn' t make one set of beleifs more valid than another...
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person who thinks that isclose minded...
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Certainly....I'll respond... THANK YOU
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I haven't followed the entire side argument but there is no way that any can say whether a religion is legit or not.....
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That's the height of arrogance to even think that we can do that....
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Peopel beleive what they choose to beleive...all religions are man made and had to be started at one time or naother...length of time practiced or the amount of followers doesn' t make one set of beleifs more valid than another...
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I agree though, some in this thread, have attempted to link the reigion of Islam w/the actions of selfprophesed Muslims.
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09-06-06, 06:50 AM
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Nope..in more ways than one.
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The most famous jewish person in medina just before the time of islam was called "abdullah(servant of allah""While the arabs where called "abdullat"(after moon god).So why was a jew called abdullah? And not abdulelohim, or abduljehova?Furthermore if you see the language jesus spoke(aramaic) The word for god is Elah/ or Allah.Ask a christian in the middle east what the name of theirÂ*god is, they will tell youÂ*"Allah".
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The Jewish person was called Abdullah because he was from Medina, a Jewish person who spoke Arabic. Arabic word for God is Allah. Elah is Aramaic word for God, Elah in Arabic is Allah, Allah in Aramaic is Elah, Allah in German is the word Gott, God in German is Gott, God in Chinese are the words é€*物主 in pinyin:zÃ*o wù zhÇ”, there is no word for Allah in Chinese because Allah is an Arabic word, just like the word God will not be used also.Does Murugu mean God?
It's regional.....so an Arab Christian/Jew from that region whos first language is Arabic will say Allah, but a non Arab Cristian/Jew in that region whos first language is not Arabic will not say Allah.
It's regional.....
The world's full of them..... and you know it!
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The most famous jewish person in medina just before the time of islam was called "abdullah(servant of allah""While the arabs where called "abdullat"(after moon god).So why was a jew called abdullah? And not abdulelohim, or abduljehova?Furthermore if you see the language jesus spoke(aramaic) The word for god is Elah/ or Allah.Ask a christian in the middle east what the name of theirgod is, they will tell you"Allah".
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The Jewish person was called Abdullah because he was from Medina, a Jewish person who spoke Arabic. Arabic word for God is Allah. Elah is Aramaic word for God, Elah in Arabic is Allah, Allah in Aramaic is Elah, Allah in German is the word Gott, God in German is Gott, God in Chinese are the words é€*物主 in pinyin:zÃ*o wù zhÇ”, there is no word for Allah in Chinese because Allah is an Arabic word, just like the word God will not be used also.Does Murugu mean God?
It's regional.....so an Arab Christian/Jew from that region whos first language is Arabic will say Allah, but a non Arab Cristian/Jew in that region whos first language is not Arabic will not say Allah.
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In aramaic which Jesus spoke the word fro god is "Elah" which is the same as the arabic "Allah". So if jesus was preaching in aramaic what did he call his god?Plus like i said some of the arabs where called abdullat(after their moon god) WhiLst the most famous jew in medina was called "abdullah(servant of allah) If it is regional then he should have been called "abdulelohim".Look at how Yahweh became "Jehovah". Also isn't the "ELOHIM" pLural what should be the correct pronounciation?
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The most common of the originally appellative names of God is Elohim ( ), plural in form though commonly construed with a singular verb or adjective. This is, most probably, to be explained as the plural of majesty or excellence, expressing high dignity or greatness: comp. the similar use of plurals of "ba'al" (master) and "adon" (lord). In Ethiopic, Amlak ("lords") is the common name for God. The singular, Eloah ( ), is comparatively rare, occurring only in poetry and late prose (in Job, 41 times). The same divine name is found in Arabic (ilah) and in Aramaic (elah). The singular is used in six places for heathen deities (II Chron. xxxii. 15; Dan. xi. 37, 38; etc.); and the plural also, a few times, either for gods or images (Ex. ix. 1, xii. 12, xx. 3; etc.) or for one god (Ex. xxxii. 1; Gen. xxxi. 30, 32; etc.). In the great majority of cases both are used as names of the one God of Israel.
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