The key here is to understand that is was Islam that civilised Europe and not the Romans. The ideas of education, the encouragement of reading & better one self comes from the Islamic culture. The Malians in the 13-century had already built university, libraries, academesto which they were utilized in learning the laws of nature. Back in the early days it was never differentiated, in Islam, the difference between science & religion. It was all as one. To learn science was to learn nature, as Muslims were required to understand the physical world, as well as the metaphysical.



People from all over Europe use to come to Spain and other areas to learn about Islamic education, the power of thinking with the mind. no doubt the moors were a second generation of the Mali empire, after mansa musa, and the spread of Islam into other areas of Africa. Islamic power grown because of education, people enjoyed the Muslim’s honour of their word& holding of justice. For more than 800 years the Muslims were dominant in all fields of education. There language was Arabic after all, there culture was Islam, there was no room for other ideas expect those sanctioned by Allah. Unity was the key, and Islam brought lots of it, without unity there is no development of people. The Africans before the time of slavery, almost all of them, had contact with Islam or knew somebody who was a Muslim. It’s not know to most people but the Muslims made a voyage to the north American continent, 400 years before the Spanish Columbus. The Muslims had contact with the Native Americans which some embraced Islam. Islam however did not steal land or resources from the natives as the Europeans later did.



It’s true that many of the Arabs left Islam as soon as prophet Mohammed (peace of upon him) died. Abukar had to fight the nomads in order to bring stability; most of the Arabs were never really into Islam anyway. They embraced [the lair] that claimed that he was a prophet in the time of prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him). They abandon the prophet for this lair, and for what?? He was later killed by one of his own followers, the lair that is. The idea that Islam started with the Arabs is foolish, and inaccurate. The Arabs never started anything, even the prophet (peace be upon him) stated very clearly that he has come to complete the religion, and not bring something new. so Islam started with Adam & howa (eve) in heaven. With this fact the other prophets Noah, idris, Abraham, David, sulleeman, musa, isa..ect were Muslims. Don’t be alarmed because it's all true lookand read the quran, it states this very clearly. Incidentally Allah has sent over the age’s 125,ooo+ prophets to this world. Allah sent 15 to the children of Israel & 10 to the Arabian Peninsula. And both still have a hard time practicing Islam, what does that tell you about them as a people? However if you look at the African continent… how many were sent to them? One and that was ham son Noah, and to this day we still have the culture of Islam within our fabric. So what does that say about the Africans? Have they disbelieved? Have they been rebellious like those Arab tribes..ect No! Most of Africa has been religious & Islamic to the core.



Now if we look back and wonder why did slavery happen? Why did colonization happen? It’s not too hard to figure out that Islam was the target, with Islam neutralise & dismantle, the west can come and implement their ways of doing things. Sure lots of Africans were not Muslims, sure the white came for gold, sliver..ect but the most motivating facture was Islam. Theykilled a lot ofAfrican Muslim scholars, teacher..ectalso during the time of slavery the Turks helped ship Africans too. The Turks/ottomans were in fact just a mask used to fool the Muslims into thinking the Turks would ally with them, but they did not, they did the opposite. And Allah will deal with there betrayal.



With the power of Islam gone, the west could now start dividing up the planet into zones like third world, second world, and first world. Banks would start bidding for natural resources like aluminum, platinum, gold, sliver, coal, iron,steel, rice, coco, fish, gunpowder, oil, uranium, spices, banana, vegetables, water ..ect with this knew found wealth the western world begin to advance, and Islam along with the African continent was left behind. The reason why Islam never recovered was because the west installed Trojan leaders all over the world, and denied Islam it's greatest weapon, education!


if you have questions please feel free to ask..i'm all ears. blktype

the greatest wars and atrocities were committed under the banners of religion.....christianity and islam....



white men , arabs, turks..etc.......and their colonial mind set conquered other people and forced their religion on them....

and then used the religion as justification for dominating and enslaving people...



history book will confirm this..not just my opinion...



for many Blacks...white christian domination/slavery/colonization has us so fed up so we seek alternatives.....and on first site these alternatives can't possibly be as bad as our experiences with white christians..BUT after the honeymoon is over......you see things for what they are.....and they might not visibly be as bad as what you experienced before....but they are bad also.....




white/christian power structure seeks to plant it's flag in as many places as it can...be it religiously, culturally, and literally......

and the arab/muslim is the same way



they butt heads over this control struggle......

DtotheJ wrote: B

The first essay was, indeed, very informational.

I am a follower of Mr. Elijah Muhammad(pbuh) who claimed to be a messenger of Allah...

I am moving this to the Spirituality and ReligionVillage which I think is more appropriate given we are essentially discussing religion here.

Respect

Islam didn't civilize a damn thing. Muslims haven't even civilized themselves yet, burning each other's villages in Nigeria, raping children in the Sudan and stoning people to death. Islam hasn't even learned a civilized way of dealing with women:

4.34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

4.15: And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witnessconfine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them

THE NUBIANS, KUSHITES, PEOPLE OF PUNT AND ETHIOPIA CIVILIZED EUROPE. STOP THINKING LIKE A SLAVE AND ASSUMING THAT ARABS CIVILIZED THE WORLD. AS SOON AS YOU SAY "ISLAM" YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARABS. IT IS AN ARABIC WORD, REMEMBER? Islam is responsible for a great deal of the bloodshed in Afrika today. Thank your arab Massas for that.

Sa Anbu

Why isit so difficult to believe,Allah would send a messenger to the displaced Africans of America especially, cosidering we were stripped of our knowledge of self and God?



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i guess you guys never fully read what i wrote. Islam is a religion from Allah, Adam was the first prophet. You AfricanAmericans don't like Islam because of the recent 9/11 crap that's consumed your minds. You don't like Islam because it's too arab???WTF! Islam did not start with the Arabs, it started with Adam. old Christianity, Judaism were both Islamic. They were a continuation of the old, and Islam is the final chapter.

you African Americans are like a car accident victim on a life support machine. Without the help of the state you would be dead. i see African Americans like to chat sh!t about topics they have not searched about? Gossip & small talk is what you people like most. To be serious about a subject you could never do. That’s why your poor, ignorant, dependant on others, and act foolish. Now..now don’t start getting all hot blooded, cuz the truth is what I’m saying so don’t try to attack me with that your generalizing the all the African Americans.

the concept of civilization is a Islamic thing, i can talk to you until i'm blue in the face about Islamic civilization, but you anit having it.

so if you have no questions about Islamic culture, and misconceptions that i may clear up, please leave my thread & never come back. if you don't like religion for some reason or another, that's your problem, but please don't come in my thread acting all European..cuz i anit having it either.




Peace...