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This forum is fast turning into a religious forum in a hand basket. Master Fard mohammed a turkish guy that some consider to be god.
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Thank you for, responding.
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I am extremely curious toknow,what proofcan you present to, backyour claim, MasterFardwas Turkish? confused3
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who is MR. MASTER FARD MUHAMMAD?... confused3
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Fard Muhammad's real name was Wallace Dodd Ford and he was born in 1891. Like that crazy nut who started the Nuwaubians, he told a million stories about where he came from.
Wallace Dodd Ford never wanted to be thought of as Black. He did not originate the asiatic black man theory- that came from a moorish group that was already in existence. He claimed to be hawaiian, arab, and european but would not say he was black.
Now that just shows the foolishness behind NOI. Always hollering Black man this and Black man that and they WORSHIP A CRACKER AND CALL HIM GOD IN THE HUMAN FORM. They back their claims up with the cracker's bible and the arab cracker's quran. That is why NOI lost its momentum. Not only was the group nothing without Malcolm (and has been nothing ever since he left), but any black group is nothing without Afrika. If somebody has to lie about where they came from (although there is one place we know Fard Muhammad was for sure- locked up in the slammer for being the dope pushing con artist he was) then we don't need them. They can't lead us.
Elijah Poole aka Elijah Muhammad was another hustler. He left several babies behind that he did not take care of. He was also an embezzler and probably had something to do with Malcolm's death.
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(although there is one place we know Fard Muhammad was for sure- locked up in the slammer for being the dope pushing con artist he was)
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I shall dissect your entire post.
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Chelsea House Publisher's, a division of Main Line Book Co. published a book, titled Elijah Muhammad (shown to the right)
'... On page 51 of this book there is a picture of a man that this book CLAIMS is "Wallace Fard, the founder of the Nation of Islam, as photographed on May 26, 1933, by the Detroit Police Department..."
[align=left]THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE that was originally put forth in 1963 by a white-owned newspaper in California, the Herald Examiner. ...'[/align]
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The following article is reprinted from the August 16, 1963 edition of Muhammad Speaks newspaper, headlined:
"NATION OF ISLAM OFFERS HEARST $100,000 TO PROVE CHARGE"
The article was titled, "Beware of Phony Claims", By Elijah Muhammad.
The two photographs, shown here, shown here, accompanied this headline and article and the caption beneath the two photographs are reprinted, verbatim, from the August 16, 1963 edition of Muhammad Speaks. "The Phony" picture (to the left) is the same photograph that was shown in the above-mentioned book.
[align=center]The Phony[/align]
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[align=center]The Savior[/align]
[align=justify]At left is the dug-up convict, Wallace Dodd "FORD", alleged by the sensation-seeking and anti-Negro white Hearst newspaper to be founder of the Nation of Islam in North America. At right, however is the real and rightful Master Farad, of Mecca, who gave all to the black people in America before returning to Mecca. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad has not only offered to confront the phony imposter invented by the Hearst press, but has exposed the deceit and has offered to pay $100,000 if they can prove their fraudulent claims. (See Mr. Muhammad's Column) ...[/align]
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BEWARE OF PHONY CLAIMS
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I, Elijah Muhammad, Messenger of Allah, told the Los Angeles "Herald-Examiner" -- on Monday, July 29, 1963, that my followers and I will pay the Los Angeles "Herald-Examiner" Newspaper $100,000.00 (one hundred, thousand dollars) to prove the headline charge ("BLACK MUSLIM FOUNDER EXPOSED AS A WHITE") made against us; that we are following one Wallace Dodd with many aliases including the name Fard; that he is the man that I am representing to my people as being Master Fard Muhammad (Allah in Person) who appeared among us in Detroit, Michigan in 1931 and is the same person (Wallace Dodd).
[align=left] The Los Angeles "Herald-Examiner" also printed his prison history is San Quentin Federal Penitentiary on a charge of peddling dope, and that he admitted he was teaching us. ...[/align]
[align=left]http://www.muhammadspeaks.com/Bewarephonyclaims.html[/align]
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[align=left]Master FArd NOT "FOrd"[/align]
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. He left several babies behind that he did not take care of. He was also an embezzler and probably had something to do with Malcolm's death.
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BTW Where did yor glean this "knowledge"? confused3
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02-07-06, 03:18 AM
HatHaruhotep seems to think Mr. FArd andMr. FOrd are the same person.
I shall prove, they are not...
MR. FARD
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MR. FORD
THE READER SHALL NOTICE, MR. FORD HASADISTINCT CURL PATTERN TO HIS HAIR.
MR. FARD'S IS BONESTRAIGHT.
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"...Always hollering Black man this and Black man that and they WORSHIP A CRACKER..."
IT WAS REPORTED MASTER FARD'S FATHER WAS BLACK AND, THE REASON FOR HIS APPEARANCE WAS, SO HE COULD GET AMONG THE BLACKS OF DETROIT AND TEACH.
HE COULD NOTHAVE TAUGHT WHATHE TAUGHT, IN 1930 AND, BEEN DARKBLACK!
CAN IT BE PROVEN,HE WASN'T? confused3
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He claimed to be hawaiian, arab, and european but would not say he was black.
PROOF, PLEASE
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Solomon surely even you see that your last post contradicted itself... in a most dramactic fashionconfused3
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02-07-06, 10:39 AM
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HatHaruhotep seems to think Mr. FArd andMr. FOrd are the same person.
I shall prove, they are not...
MR. FARD
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THE READER SHALL NOTICE, MR. FORD HASADISTINCT CURL PATTERN TO HIS HAIR.
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Maybe he didn't have a hot comb when his mugshot was taken by the police dept? Apparently Fard and Ford both share the same fingerprints, what a coincidence!
Please don't ask to prove anything...ask the FBI instead, there's this thing called the freedom of information privacy act, it wasn't available during the 1930's or 60's
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/fard.htm
Maybe NOI should offer $100,000 for the the FBI to prove it, attached is a screen dump from my comp of page 6 on his file about the money being offered.... but only up until a blood relative came forward, then the whole subject faded away.
It's the same type of negro nonsense that has been resurfacing again and again, O.J never done it, Tyson never done it, Micheal Jackson never done it, Dr. Malachi York never done it, Fard isn't Ford so he couldn't have done it, or even worse...they all did it.. but not this/my person.
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For crying out loud when are black people gonna open their eyes and just look? It's always "don't listen to them, just have faith in what I say. Jedi mind trick
The world's full of them..... and you know it!
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It is not my intentionto force anyoneto believe anything.
TAKE IT OR, LEAVE IT ALONE.
"...but would not say he was black."
I shall nowprove this incorrect...
In introducing himself to the Blackman, Master Fard Muhammad, operating under his camouflaged name of W.F.Muhammad stated in "English Lesson C-1" :3.My uncle was brought over here by the Trader three hundred seventy-nine years ago. 4.My uncle cannot talk his own language. 5.He does not know that he is My uncle.".
How is it that Master Fard Muhammad (W.F.Muhammad) connects his ancestral roots with the Blackman (uncle)?
Master Fard Muhammad's Father was a Blackman, and his mother a white woman so taught Mr. Elijah Muhammad . And while this has well been established, the Messenger as well taught us that M.F.M. (Master Fard Muhammad) was the One prophesied to come from the lineage of Teman (Esau's generation son) and from the family of Messenger-prophet Muhammad of Arabia. [Our Saviour Has Arrived page 70 / Habakkuk 3:3-4 / Message To The Blackman page 7]
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02-07-06, 07:31 PM
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HatHaruhotep seems to think Mr. FArd andMr. FOrd are the same person.
I shall prove, they are not...
MR. FARD
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THE READER SHALL NOTICE, MR. FORD HASADISTINCT CURL PATTERN TO HIS HAIR.
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Maybe he didn't have a hot comb when his mugshot was taken by the police dept?
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DOYOU BELIEVE THIS WASACTUALLY DONE!?!
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NOT SO SUPRISINGLY, THE FBI PROVIDES NO PROOF THIS IS TRUE...
Wallace Fard was born 1891 in New Zealand.
Fard arrived in the United States in 1913, settling briefly in Portland, Oregon.
After his release from prison in 1929, he went to Chicago, then on to Detroit as a silk peddler
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YOU THINK THE FBI TELLSTHE TRUTH? ...confused3
COINTELPRO
The Sabotage Of Legitimate Dissent
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The Black Panther Coloring Book
This is but one horrific example of the tactics used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to stifle legitimate dissent and violate the civil rights of political groups that the administration dislikes. Along with the anti-war movement, the Nixon White House targeted the civil rights movement for disruption, using on-campus informants to infiltrate and in many cases to disrupt legal protests and activism.
This coloring book, which was purported to be from the Black Panthers, had actually been rejected by them when it was brought to them by a man later revealed to have intelligence connections. Not to be troubled by the fact that the Panthers found the coloring book revolting, the FBI added even more offensive illustrations, and mass mailed it across America.
It so infuriated the white population that they stopped listening to the legitimate grievances of the black people.
While it can be argued that such an action did not technically violate the right of the Black Panthers to free speech (even as it sabotaged the willingness of the people to listen), it is apparent than such a divisive act violated the right of the people, black and white, to peacefully assemble.
At the time, I asked my parents if it didn't seem odd to have a book purported to be by blacks for black children mailed to a white household, but I was outvoted in what was a functionally democratic household. But heck, most of us still thought Oswald acted alone then as well.
I had thought the actual coloring book lost forever, relegated to a mere footnote in the Congressional inquiry into COINTELPRO, when the wonder that is the internet brought it into the light again.
THE COLORING BOOK
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA.../coloring.html
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BOOK III
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FINAL REPORT
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WITH RESPECT TO
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UNITED STATES SENATE
APRIL 23 (under authority of the order of April 14), 1976
DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR., CASE STUDY
I. INTRODUCTION
From December 1963 until his death in 1968, Martin Luther King, Jr. was the target of an intensive campaign by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to "neutralize" him as an effective civil rights leader. In the words of the man in charge of the FBI's "war" against Dr. King:
[align=justify]No holds were barred. We have used [similar] techniques against Soviet agents. [The same methods were] brought home against any organization against which we were targeted. We did not differentiate. This is a rough, tough business. 1 [/align] The FBI collected information about Dr. King's plans and activities through an extensive surveillance program, employing nearly every intelligence-gathering technique at the Bureau's disposal. Wiretaps, which were initially approved by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, were maintained on Dr. King's home telephone from October 1963 until mid-1965; the SCLC headquarter's telephones were covered by wiretaps for an even longer period. Phones in the homes and offices of some of Dr. King's close advisers were also wiretapped. The FBI has acknowledged 16 occasions on which microphones were hidden in Dr. King's hotel and motel rooms in an "attempt" to obtain information about the "private activities of King and his advisers" for use to "completely discredit" them. 2 ...
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm
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APRIL 23 (under authority of the order of April 14), 1976
THE FBI'S COVERT ACTION PROGRAM TO DESTROY THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY
INTRODUCTION
In August 1967, the FBI initiated a covert action program -- COINTELPRO -- to disrupt and "neutralize" organizations which the Bureau characterized as "Black Nationalist Hate Groups." 1 The FBI memorandum expanding the program described its goals as:
1. Prevent a coalition of militant black nationalist groups....
2. Prevent the rise of a messiah who could unify and electrify the militant nationalist movement ... Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael and Elijah Muhammad all aspire to this position....
3. Prevent violence on the part of black nationalist groups....
4. Prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining respectability by discrediting them....
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DOYOU BELIEVE THIS WASACTUALLY DONE!?!
Maybe you're being shown what lots of men with curly hair did to their hair to fit in or get on in the west? Remember it was you that showed two photos, one with "bone straight" hair, the other with "curly pattern" hair as a reason for it not being the same person. A hot comb is a simple logical explanation, you believe differant, my comment is indifferent.
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YOU THINK THE FBI TELLSTHE TRUTH? ...confused3
Just because one party lies doesn't automatically means the other is telling the truth. The rest of your post might show FBI lies, yet nothing in this thread shows your version of Fard's truth apart from he said.....
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