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In focusing on the subject of abortion, much has been contended from a medical and social perspective. But when we pull the lid off and look at abortion from a biblical and spiritual perspective, the implications are far more profound and staggering.The promotion of abortion is not just a political and social issue, it is part of a religious and spiritual agenda the religion of witchcraft and child sacrifice.
The Bible tells us: "Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12).
Our enemy in fighting abortion is not the abortionist, the courts, or those who are advocating for abortion rights. Our enemy is the one who was a murderer from the beginning Satan and the spiritual forces under his command.
Throughout history, certain pagan cultures have sacrificed human infants to demons as a part of a complicated ritual in return for favors asked of them. While few of those involved in abortion today are consciously engaging in child sacrifice, although that is precisely what abortion is the sacrifice of a human life for the convenience or needs of others. In that respect, it is no less barbaric than the human sacrifice practiced to ensure, for example, a successful harvest. But beyond this, there is a spiritual, satanically inspired dimension that gives frightening realism to abortion's identification with literal child sacrifice.
The Bible supports this idea as often we see a particular action viewed by God as something of a more overtly occult nature. Rebellion is called witchcraft; immorality is likened to idolatry; hatred is akin to murder thus abortion is child sacrifice.
To discover the origins child sacrifice we can examine a key passage of scripture. Genesis 19 gives the account of Lot and his daughters, some of the early ancestors of mankind: "And Lot went up from Zoar and stayed in the mountains and his two daughters with him." Then the first born said to the younger, "Our father is old and there is not a man on earth to come into us after the manner of the earth."
Now it so happens that there were men available just a few miles away geographically. But they meant something different. The "earth" is throughout scripture a symbol of a fallen unregenerate realm. James tells us that there is a wisdom from above that is "pure and peaceable," but that there is a wisdom from below which is "earthly, natural and demonic" (James 3:15,17). In the same way that many modern feminists want men purely on their own terms, Lot's daughters wanted a man in this "manner of the earth."
"So they made their father drink wine that night and laid with him" (Genesis 19:29-38). This was a gross act of rebellion against both their father and God. As a result both daughters had children. The oldest daughter's son was named Moab. His descendents, the Moabites, ultimately became an idolatrous nation that was one of the primary enemies of God's people Israel.
The youngest daughter's son Ben Ammi became the father of the sons of Ammon. 1 Kings 11:7 calls Molech "the detestable idol of the Ammonites." The name Molech in Hebrew means: "to ascend the throne" or, in other words, to usurp God's authority. Leviticus 20:2 tells us that Molech worship involved the sacrifice of one's offspring. While the Ammonites primarily sacrificed post-natal children, it is no coincidence that it is the Ammonites that God condemns in the book of Amos for a particular form of blood-thirstiness:
"For three transgressions of the sons of Ammon, and for four, will I not revoke its punishment, because they have ripped open the pregnant women of Gilead in order to enlarge their borders" (Amos 1:13).
To "enlarge one's borders" is a biblical metaphor applied not just to land, but to extend the boundaries of acceptable human conduct. How common this is still today as we hear cries of "It's my choice" and "Keep your religion out of my life."
Baal and Molech Worship
"And they built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech" (Jeremiah 32:35).
"They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons as offering to Baal" (Jeremiah 19:5).
Here the Bible implies what modern archaeologists and anthropologists have recently discovered: that Molech and Baal represent the same pagan god. The wife of Baal is Asherah and the wife of Molech is Ashteroth. Asherah and Ashteroth represent the same fertility goddess. This demon was known to the Greeks as Aphrodite; to the Egyptians as Isis; and to the Phoenicians as Tanet.
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06-07-06, 06:23 PM
@Urbanchaos. Interesting subject. I think the issue of abortion is a very important one, especially as being a strong pro abortionist who sometimes just shakes his head when I hear the ethically expedient arguments I hear on this issue, particularly from too many of our women. Suddenly get morality when it suits...what they call situation ethics which you make up as you go along eg having kids for a man in the context of an affair,regadless how it impacts on the man's bone fide partner.
But abortions were common place in Africa as they were in the Caribbean. My mother and aunts always talked about this. I remember as an aspiring medical student talking to my mother about abortion and she laughed and said we had these things back home from day one. In fact she knew many women who aborted children in the traditional African method. Women, usually who had too many children already.
You know in Africa and the Caribbean there are men who pride themselves in pushing out children like sheep. Problem is the poor woman and particularly if they are already poor or struggling. Other occassions werewhere to have a child would put a woman or her family in scandal and shame eg contexts of affairs etc.
So women would visit the local traditional woman healers who would hear their case and decide to help them or not. It was not automatic. But unlike European and other nations and their methods of abortion which are quite hideous, when you think of the time which elapses before the procedure can be done. The African method involved drinking a mixture of particular herbs and roots and whatever else they put into it and as my mother said they simply go toliet and that is that. No after affects or nothing. Go back to work and life goes on.
However in continental Africa other forms of formal abortion could only be undertaken after consulting a spirtual medium or healer or particular rank. They would consult the spirits on whether the life of the child could be taken. Because the soul is here for a purpose and only they know what that is. In other smaller tribes twins were aborted because according to the belief system they may be carriers of evil etc.
So we don't have to look far to know Africans have been involved in this practice for a long time and I think consulting mediums is a very sophisticated practice, because a life is not yours be it a mother or father who are only physical vessels so that a soul/spirt can be born to gain human experience and to do the work assigned to it. Other powers must speak on these matters in my mind.
By the way the notion of child sacrifice mentioned in your post would appall most people, but they have to remember what is being liberated is the soul notflesh. We must not look at ancient phenomenon from western eyes because we will always make2+2=12. For us the flesh and material is everything. Not to our ancestors.
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06-07-06, 08:12 PM
Interesting angle.
However in continental Africa other forms of formal abortion could only be undertaken after consulting a spirtual medium or healer or particular rank.
Hardly evil were they.
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06-07-06, 09:08 PM
In a perfect world everything would be all good and everyone would be happy and doing the right thing and wouldn't feel the need to have abortions but we don't and althoughI understand the point of the post and don't disagree totally, but all that other stuff about human sacrifices and Baal sounds crazy. In a sense you are sacrificing a life for another's needs but when I see a really young girl like 14 or 15get pregnant, maybe she should have an abortion. Why ruin your life with a baby and a boy you will probably not marry. The traditional abortion herb drink sounds real painful. You probably drink it and few hours later you have a miscarriage which sounds terrible.
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07-07-06, 06:13 PM
Don't agree with abortions, not one bit, I think its sad.
Can understand in some cases, rape and cultural beliefs etc but when its not nessary or a woman thinks shes gotta live her life after commiting to sex in the first place... NOPE. Its not for me. I couldn't look at a girl in the same way after that and thats not even my over opinionated veiw on things, I haven't sat around and thought about it, it just makes me feel ill.
Black Lion is... Agu Bu Oji in Igbo, Simba nyeusi in Swahili, the name of a hospital in Addis Adaba the capital of Ethiopia.
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08-07-06, 01:20 PM
A simple herbal potion is preferable to the method used in most private clinics these days.
Sixteen year old girl I know recently had an abortion at Marie-Stopes in Brixton. She was treated with No compassion at all and was appalled at fact there was very little privacy. She woke up in a Recovery room where other women were lying bleeding and exposed on their beds...and some man is there just doing general repairs.
After a week she is admitted to A and E with a severe infection and great pain. A doctor told her this is becoming more common these days. The clinics are not performing the abortions properly, and are more bothered about getting more women in and out quickly thus making more money. They know that when the woman gets ill and infected she will head to the nearest A and E department, where her troubles will be dealt with by NHS. Many have to have another surgical procedure on NHS thus creating even more pressure on our already over exhausted health service.
Matters like this concern me more than supposed ritual sacrifice!
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08-07-06, 01:23 PM
@Locsgirl said"A simple herbal potion is preferable to the method used in most private clinics these days.
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That's what my mother said. Never a nice business but if you have to do it, do it in a way which is most humane to all parties...
Shows those old African women knew a thing or two which leaves western practice wanting big time if what Locsgirl describes is what is going on..
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08-07-06, 04:55 PM
I've heard of two ways though... theres an injection and is there another way where they literally use like a vacume cleaner type device and...
Black Lion is... Agu Bu Oji in Igbo, Simba nyeusi in Swahili, the name of a hospital in Addis Adaba the capital of Ethiopia.
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