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That's right...I said it. So...da f**k...what?!
But on a more serious note, is it not only demonstrative of a perpetual slave mentality that Africans look to Ethiopia as the first Christian churchtotry justifying being in love with their Aryan Jesus?
I understand that Christianity has played a major role in the history of Ethiopia, but the advent of Christianity in Ethiopia iswhenit was conquerred by Whites. Hardly a period of glory, yet some misguided Africans who do a little bit of research on Africa will point to this sliver of history to attempt to prove that Christianity is "really an African/Black religion".
What gives? Ethiopia, Nubia, Sudan, and Egypt had collectively been fighting against Greeks, Persians, Romans, and Arabs for centuries prior to Christian Ethiopia trying to preserve traditional African spirituality. Have we forgot about the valiant battles spearheaded by several of our people againstIndo-Europeans and Asiatics, includingout of Meroe, andby the notorious Kandakes (Queen Candaces) from about 700 BCE upto and through the Arab invasion of 642 CE (over 1,000 years)?
Was their struggle all in vain whereit is all forgotten and eclipsed by Christianity in Ethiopia, which was the defining point of oursheer defeat? How is this at all a "legacy" we as Africans would revere without calling ourselves slaves to Whites?
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07-07-06, 07:22 PM
@shemsi...What's the relevence. Well a whole heap really? For example what is the relationship in terms of content, practices and the various political and cultural implications of say African ancient Christianity compared to the Michael Angello, the Conference of Nice etc. For example the whiteness of Christianity has been central to its collapse in terms of support from black men in particular both here,the Caribbean and America.
So they could lead to completely different roads and sets of consequences for example the African nostics and their role could have a postive educational and indentificational dimension with importance.
It is both arrogance and presumptioness or ignorance for us to asume the African course of Christianity would take us to the same place as the European. For Ethiopian Christainity Africa and the old world are the centre of its reality and that in itself is very radical. Not Rome Babylon and the White House...
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07-07-06, 08:07 PM
blkwonder...uhm, not sure what's so funny about this...
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10-07-06, 03:03 PM
Intresting.
Guess that most people, including myself, assume that as Ethiopia is the home of the oldest Jewish peoples that they must've come up with Christianity themselves and passed it on not the other way around.
Please drop some knowledge on the history of the attacks and how Christianity was introduced there... would be good to know more.
Black Lion is... Agu Bu Oji in Igbo, Simba nyeusi in Swahili, the name of a hospital in Addis Adaba the capital of Ethiopia.
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Intresting.
Guess that most people, including myself, assume that as Ethiopia is the home of the oldest Jewish peoples that they must've come up with Christianity themselves and passed it on not the other way around.
Please drop some knowledge on the history of the attacks and how Christianity was introduced there... would be good to know more.
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You are correct that Ethiopia is home to some of the oldest Jewish people. The original Jews leaving Egypt travelled south throughout Africa some as far as the present state of Malawi.
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As for the Christian conversion of Ethiopia, it is rather naive for us to think it was without some force given the Queen Candaces (Kandakes), Meroites, and countless other Kushitic and Nubian leaders had been warring for centuries with the same people that brought them this religion to "Sudan" and "Ethiopia".
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To be honest I don't understand how a country like Ethiopia with a biblical bloodline could even ''fall'' to Christianity. Who were the Kings and Queens of Ethiopia back then and what was their relation to those mentioned in the bible?
Black Lion is... Agu Bu Oji in Igbo, Simba nyeusi in Swahili, the name of a hospital in Addis Adaba the capital of Ethiopia.
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10-07-06, 05:51 PM
You see this whole Ethiopian situation has been creeping up over the the past few weeks, at some point it needs to be addressed, some reasons for example are artifacts of King Solomon coming from Jerusalem to Ethiopia, decendants of King Solomon etc etc....
Now here in lies where threads like this one will hit a raw nerve. Out of respect for Ethiopia, Haile Salasse other certain issuses tend to get glossed over like King Solomon never actually historically ever existed in reality,
So to me personally... unless Ethiopia is metaphorically stating that everything about King Solomon belongs in Africa, then yes I understand this.
Otherwise it also is touching on poopery.
The world's full of them..... and you know it!
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27-07-06, 12:24 AM
You are correct that Ethiopia is home to some of the oldest Jewish people. The original Jews leaving Egypt travelled south throughout Africa some as far as the present state of Malawi.
The jews offalasha jews in ethiopia and the yibir of somaliaare probably from across the red sea in yemen.from what i have read:
Yemeni Himyarites and Yemenis in Africa embraced Christianity as their official religion but it happened that one day the ruler of Yemen who was only 20 years old received Jewish rabbis who were kicked out from Palestine by the then Byzantine Christians.
These Rabbis convinced the Yemeni adolescent king that Judaism was the perfect religion and that it behooved him to convert into Judaism along with his people so as to avoid the wrath of almighty god. The king unwittingly believed them and issued a decree ordering that all Yemenis must discard Christianity and embrace Judaism. So most of the Yemeni Industrialists (Goldsmiths, Silversmiths, Textile producers) merchants and the elite obeyed the order and converted to Judaism while Yemeni farmers, Shepherds and fishermen refused and remained Christian. So the king ordered ditches to be dug and to throw into them those disobedient causing them to burn until death. So Christian Yemenis sent a messenger to the Byzantines for help.
The Byzantines knowing how difficult it is to cross the desert into Yemen decided that the right thing was to ask the Axumites to rush help for their Christian brethren. So Yemeni Christians welcomed the Ethiopian assistance while Yemeni Jews kept fighting until they were defeated and the Yemeni king committed HARI-KARI by throwing himself into the waves of the red sea so as to avoid disgrace.
The Axumites assisted by Christian Yemenis ruled Yemen for fifty continuous years and exiled obnoxious Jewish Yemenis into the jungles of Ethiopia where they mixed with locals and formed today’s Falashas (Ethiopian Jews).
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You are correct that Ethiopia is home to some of the oldest Jewish people. The original Jews leaving Egypt travelled south throughout Africa some as far as the present state of Malawi.
The jews offalasha jews in ethiopia and the yibir of somaliaare probably from across the red sea in yemen.from what i have read:
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I don't think this logically follows the archaeological record at all. I think that when the Israelites left Kemet, they first went through Ethiopia and present-day Somalia before they actually crossed over to Yemen. Even the Babylonia Talmud (Jewish commentary of the Torah) states that Moses went to Ethiopia after leaving Kemetto rule as king. It wasn't until after this that the so called "Red Sea" crossing occurred.
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Just a quick note about the so called "Red Sea" crossing. It never happened. If you go back to the Torah, in Hebrewit does not say Red Sea, but the "Sea of Reeds". They crossed a marsh, and nothing more. This is why the Exodus account talks about the Pharaoh's chariots becoming stuck in the mud. It is my hypothesis that the great bend in the Nile south of Aswan between the 4th and 5th cataracts is the marsh area of question.
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It wasn't until later that the Hebrew term yam suph was referred to the "Red Sea".
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I don't think this logically follows the archaeological record at all. I think that when the Israelites left Kemet, they first went through Ethiopia and present-day Somalia before they actually crossed over to Yemen. Even the Babylonia Talmud (Jewish commentary of the Torah) states that Moses went to Ethiopia after leaving Kemetto rule as king. It wasn't until after this that the so called "Red Sea" crossing occurred.
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