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"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"




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It wasn't "Christians" who did that to our people in the first place. The world's been deceived by that samedevil who oppressed our people (and still is doing so to this day)into thinking otherwise.

Only Israelites can be Christians.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves withthe church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

That'sthe origin of the term Christian. The were many different groups around at the time, this group followed Christ so other people identified those Jews as Christians. No one but an Israelite that truly follows Christ hasthe right to call themselves a Christian. Anyone else doing so is nothing more than a liar in the eyes of God.


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The people who burned and lynched and enslaves our people were Christ believing CHRISTIANS.

They may not have been GOOD Christians, but they were still Christians.

Christianity is a European based religion.


The original followers of Jesus were not called Christians, they were called Nazarenes.
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It wasn't "Christians" who did that to our people in the first place. The world's been deceived by that samedevil who oppressed our people (and still is doing so to this day)into thinking otherwise.

Only Israelites can be Christians.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves withthe church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

That'sthe origin of the term Christian. The were many different groups around at the time, this group followed Christ so other people identified those Jews as Christians. No one but an Israelite that truly follows Christ hasthe right to call themselves a Christian. Anyone else doing so is nothing more than a liar in the eyes of God.
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Come MM only Israelites can be called christians? So what about that gentiles(Goi) that were saved and recieved the holy spirit were they not so called christians batised in the socalled holy ghost? And not all Israelites were considered to be jews and the socalled jews were not the only people chosen by the father as his people.
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These people were never called christians. What did the followers of the Mashiah(christ) call themselves when he was alive? christians, I think not.
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The original followers of Jesus were not called Christians, they were called Nazarenes. Nor were they called nazarenes. A nazarene is someone from Nazareth not someone who believed in christ.
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"A student is not greater than the teacher. A slave is not greater than the master. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:24)"
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To the poster who mentioned Christianity, that has nothing to do with the term "Christian". It was not from Christianity that "Christian" came from, it wasin existencelong before that religion came on the scene.

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Come MM only Israelites can be called christians?
Evidently, which would make PERFECT sense, seeing as it's an undeniable FACT that it's only Israelites that the Lord God deals with, right from Genesis through to Revelation (including the Apocrypha).

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So what about that gentiles(Goi) that were saved and recieved the holy spirit were they not so called christians batised in the socalled holy ghost?
The Bible clearly tells you that ALLnations will be DESTROYED, except for the Nation of Israel (Jeremiah 30:11), so there's no way the Gentiles are gaining salvation. Where you read about "Gentiles" receiving the Holy Spirit and so forth, those were in fact ISRAELITES that lived AMONG the Gentiles (and were being called Gentiles by Israelites/Jews in Jerusalem). It was not talking about the other nations.

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And not all Israelites were considered to be jews and the socalled jews were not the only people chosen by the father as his people.
The word "Jew" originally denoted an Israelite from the tribe of JUDAH (which is where it comes from), then to all Isrealites that lived in the southern kingdom of Judah... and then finally to any member of the 12 Tribes of the Nation of Israel. So in fact "all Israelites WERE considered to be Jews" by that point in time.

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These people were never called christians.
Says you, but the WORD of GOD clearly states that the DISCIPLES (who were JEWS/ISRAELITES) were called CHRISTIANS in Antioch. Therefore let it be manifest here that you've clearly spoken AGAINST God's Word.

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What did the followers of the Mashiah(christ) call themselves when he was alive? christians, I think not.
lol... who was even stating thatthey did? The simplicity of thesecats, man...

What you FAILED to notice in the relevant verses shown... is that the disciples were called"Christians"by OTHER PEOPLE. The verse didn't say "the disciplesCALLED THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS" did it?

Let's look at it again:

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves withthe church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

You had people calling the disciples "Christians" because they regarded themselves as followers of Christ. They didn't wake up one day and just start naming themselves that... but nonetheless, after that event took place (Acts 11:26) they recognisedthe term and embracedit.

The proof of that is out of the mouth of one of the original 12, Peter:

1 Peter 4:16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Showing you right there that they had no problem calling themselves "Christians".


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The Bible clearly tells you that ALLnations will be DESTROYED, except for the Nation of Israel (Jeremiah 30:11), so there's no way the Gentiles are gaining salvation. Where you read about "Gentiles" receiving the Holy Spirit and so forth, those were in fact ISRAELITES that lived AMONG the Gentiles (and were being called Gentiles by Israelites/Jews in Jerusalem). It was not talking about the other nations.
So you are trying to tell me that every gentile saved was a sinning Israelite?

1Timothy 2:1-4

1: I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2: For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3: For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4: Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
So does this aplly to all men as it says or are only the "real isaelites" considered men?
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And not all Israelites were considered to be jews and the socalled jews were not the only people chosen by the father as his people.
The word "Jew" originally denoted an Israelite from the tribe of JUDAH (which is where it comes from), then to all Isrealites that lived in the southern kingdom of Judah... and then finally to any member of the 12 Tribes of the Nation of Israel. So in fact "all Israelites WERE considered to be Jews" by that point in time.
Show me one scripture that states this.


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These people were never called christians.
Says you, but the WORD of GOD clearly states that the DISCIPLES (who were JEWS/ISRAELITES) were called CHRISTIANS in Antioch. Therefore let it be manifest here that you've clearly spoken AGAINST God's Word.
So I see, you are basing this on these new bibles, i mean the post 1611 Bibles. If so then sure but the first bibles put together said neither "jesus, christ or christians" so I guess you can have this one......................And which god have I spoken against? Why is it when we don't agree I must be Blasphaming or speaking against the word of god.


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What did the followers of the Mashiah(christ) call themselves when he was alive? christians, I think not.
lol... who was even stating thatthey did? The simplicity of thesecats, man...
There was a point made here but as usuall you missed it. In life they were just believers but in death they became christians. Go figure.


What you FAILED to notice in the relevant verses shown... is that the disciples were called"Christians"by OTHER PEOPLE. The verse didn't say "the disciplesCALLED THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS" did it?
Point being?
Let's look at it again:

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves withthe church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
So what were they called before then?


You had people calling the disciples "Christians" because they regarded themselves as followers of Christ. They didn't wake up one day and just start naming themselves that... but nonetheless, after that event took place (Acts 11:26) they recognisedthe term and embracedit.

The proof of that is out of the mouth of one of the original 12, Peter:

1 Peter 4:16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
So you really think that the original manuscript said christian? If you do then there is nothing more to say to you.

Showing you right there that they had no problem calling themselves "Christians".

Says you! No more bible scripture with ambiguous meaning. Please quote the before and after verses. Thank you.

P.S. If you make a point I will acknowledge that but until then.

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So you are trying to tell me that every gentile saved was a sinning Israelite?


Yeah, exactly. That's in fact one of the biggest mysteries of the Bible. John 7:35, James 1:1, Romans 9:24 and Romans 11:1 are only a few of the scriptures that prove all that.

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So does this aplly to all men as it says or are only the "real isaelites" considered men?


Yeah that's right, by "all men" it DOES mean just Israelites, rebel. You know not the scriptures, because if you did you'd know, for one thing, that the Lord Himself said that ISRAEL is the ONLY nation that he knows (and therefore ACKNOWLEDGES) out of ALL people on the Earth (Amos 3:1).

Let's prove by one example that by "all men" the Lord meant all men OF ISRAEL.

Titus 2:11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL MEN,

Now did it actually mean all nations? The answer is NO...

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

A PECULIAR PEOPLE. Now who has the Lord EVER called a "peculiar people" in history?

Deuteronomy 1:1These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel

Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Nowyou're already shut down by this point by the precepts, but let's just further establish the fact of the matter.

In that verse above it also said that Israel are "an HOLY people unto the LORD thy God". Let's see what this next scripture says:

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

And just to bring the point home.

John 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

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The word "Jew" originally denoted an Israelite from the tribe of JUDAH (which is where it comes from),
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then to all Isrealites that lived in the southern kingdom of Judah... and then finally to any member of the 12 Tribes of the Nation of Israel. So in fact "all Israelites WERE considered to be Jews" by that point in time.
Show me one scripture that states this.


Haha... that's a HISTORICAL FACT, dingbat. Maybe you'd realise that if you STUDIED a little more (1 Timothy 2:15).

However, I can still scripturally show that I know what I'm talking about, and shut your damn mouth on the matter.

Acts 21 37And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

38Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

39But PAUL said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Paul clearlycalled himself a Jew here. Did that mean, therefore, he could ONLY have been from the tribe of Judah, like thiscat wants to think?

Romans 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

That proves it's not just the tribe of Judah that can call themselvesJews anymore, because you have an example of a non-Judahite telling you he's a Jew.

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So I see, you are basing this on these new bibles, i mean the post 1611 Bibles.


No scripture I've ever posted on the entire Net has been from any "post 1611 Bibles". You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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If so then sure but the first bibles put together said neither "jesus, christ or christians" so I guess you can have this one.....................


LMAO.

That's obvious you dingbat, seeing as words like "Jesus", "Christ", or "Christians"are ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS from the ORIGINAL (GREEK) text.

You ARE awarethat in a translation from one language to another, words don't retain the exact same spelling (and pronounciation), yes?

lol... just because, for example,you wouldn't see"Christ" (but"KHRISTOS",instead, which is were the name/title"Christ" came from) in the original text doesn'tmeana damn thing... other than that you're just a really simple, ignorant cat who thought they were onto something.

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And which god have I spoken against?


That would the God of Israel, dingbat... seeing as we're dealing with the HOLY BIBLE, known WORLDWIDE as the WORD of GOD. Do try and keep up.

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There was a point made here but as usuall you missed it. In life they were just believers but in death they became christians. Go figure.


You HAD no point, don't kid yourself.

While the original 12 walked with Christ they were simply known as his 12 DISCIPLES (and later on, his 12 Apostles)... and then theyadditionally became known as "Christians".It's not that hard to comprehend...

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So you really think that the original manuscript said christian?


lol... at this point you have no argument whatsoever. NOWHERE did I say that"the original manuscript saidChristian", so this was a meaningless statement here.

In fact, if you wanna get TECHNICAL about it and everything... the disciples wereactually called "CHRISTIANOS" in Antioch. That better?

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Says you! No more bible scripture with ambiguous meaning. Please quote the before and after verses. Thank you.


Don't worry if you didn't get it, rebel. You wasn't MEANT TO (Matthew 13:11), neither could you hope to come up AGAINST the facts either (Luke 21:15).

I don't care about what you have to say in response either. The overall point (only Israelites can be Christians) was established, which you couldn't refute, so there's nothing more I need to say.


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The people who burned and lynched and enslaves our people were Christ believing CHRISTIANS.

They may not have been GOOD Christians, but they were still Christians.

Christianity is a European based religion.
No its nots anyone can believe in him.

The original followers of Jesus were not called Christians, they were called Nazarenes.
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