In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

Salaam (Peace) to all.

It is not necessary to consult various scholars and/or historians to put to rest the lies of the ignorant and the devious. It is sufficient to simply READ the Qur'an for one's self, and to obtain a sufficient grasp of the overall theme/Idea of the Book.

If it is true (and it is) that the circumstances under which a thing comes into existence determine its Nature, or, as Jesus is quoted as saying, "A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit, nor can a good tree bring forth corrupt fruit...by their fruits ye shall know them"; then, one can easily see that the Holy Qur'an, itself, is sufficient evidence AGAINST any such falsehoods as Islam condoning the keeping of "sex slaves". For, if this were true, these traits would be engrained in the nature of Islamic expression today, including the Holy Qur'an. But such is not the case.

Islam is so far from condoning "sex slavery" that the very Book of Islam CONDEMNS such as being indecent and worthy of chastisement.

Consider the following:

2:177 It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteous is the one who believes in Allah, and the Last Day, and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in the time of conflict. These are they who are truthful; and these are they who keep their duty.

2:231 And when you divorce women and they reach their prescribed time, then retain them in kindness or set them free with kindness and retain them not for injury so that you exceed the limits. And whoever does this, he indeed wrongs his own soul. And take not Allah's messages for a mockery, and remember Allah's favour to you, and that which He has revealed to you of the Book and the Wisdom, admonishing you thereby. And keep your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is the Knower of all things.

4:2 And give to the orphans their property, and substitute not worthless (things) for (their) good (ones), and devour not their property (adding) to your own property. This is surely a great sin.
3 And if you fear that you cannot do justice to orphans, marry such women as seem good to you, two, or three, or four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then (marry) only one or that which your right hands possess. This is more proper that you may not do injustice.
4 And give women their dowries as a free gift. But if they of themselves be pleased to give you a portion thereof, consume it with enjoyment and pleasure.

4:24 And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (are forbidden); (this is) Allah's ordinance to you. And lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage, not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by (by marrying), give them their dowries as appointed. And there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed (of dowry). Surely Allah is ever Knowing, Wise.
25 And whoever among you cannot afford to marry free believing women, (let him marry) such of your believing maidens as your right hands possess. And Allah knows best your faith -- you are (sprung) the one from the other. So marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; then if they are guilty of adultery [after] they are taken in marriage, they shall suffer half the punishment for free married women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil. And that you abstain is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

5:89 Allah will not call you to account for that which is vain in your oaths, but He will call you to account for the making of deliberate oaths; so its expiation is the feeding of ten poor men with the average (food) you feed your families with, or their clothing, or the freeing of a neck. But whoso finds not (means) should fast for three days. This is the expiation of your oaths when you swear. And keep your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His messages that you may give thanks.

9:60 (Zakat) charity is only for the poor and the needy, and those employed to administer it, and those whose hearts are made to incline (to truth), and (to free) the captives, and those in debt, and in the way of Allah and for the wayfarer -- an ordinance from Allah. And Allah is Knowing, Wise.'

17:31 And kill not your children for fear of poverty -- We provide for them and for you. Surely the killing of them is a great wrong.
32 And go not nigh to fornication; surely it is an obscenity. And evil is the way.
33 And kill not the soul which Allah has forbidden except for a just cause. And whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority -- but let him not exceed the limit in slaying. Surely he will be helped.

23:1 Successful indeed are the believers,
2 Who are humble in their prayers,
3 And who shun what is vain,
4 And who act for the sake of purity,
5 And who restrain their sexual passions --
6 Except in the presence of their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for such surely are not blameable,
7 But whoever seeks to go beyond that, such are transgressors --

24:33 And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste, until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And those of your slaves who ask for a writing (of freedom), give them the writing, if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And compel not your slave-girls to prostitution when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail goods of this world's life. And whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

25:68 And they who call not upon another god with Allah, and slay not the soul which Allah has forbidden, except in the cause of justice, nor commit fornication; and he who does this shall meet a requital of sin

70:29 And those who restrain their sexual passions,
30 Except in the presence of their mates or those whom their right hands possess -- for such surely are not to be blamed,
31 But he who seeks to go beyond this, these are the transgressors.

When kept in proper context, there is no way that a SANE mind could conclude that these verses condone any such heinous thing as "sex slavery". It is CLEAR that those referred to as "right hand possessions" are to be taken in MARRIAGE, and as such be afforded all the rights, privileges and courtesies of a Wife...NOT a "sex slave". Anyone who could read such beautiful verses which promote good will, chastity and decency, and come away thinking that it is referring to anything as ugly as "sexual slavery" is exposing the corruption of his or her own thinking.

Once again, the Holy Qur'an is its own best defense.

RM

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Yes, the Quran is its own best evidence:

The Quran teaches and endorses abuse of women:

[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them.

The Quranrecommends that women be held captive until death:

[4.15] And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them (note how vague the "indecency" is, giving muslim men an opportunity to use ANY excuse to lock women up. They do this in Afghanistan and even paint the windows on the houses black so women can't even see outside.

The Quran endorses child molestation, and of course it does! Mohammed himself was a child molester, poking in an 11 year old CHILD when he was in his forties:

[65.4] And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

Here the child molester's handbook says that when you divorce wives who HAVE NOT EVEN MENSTRATED BEFORE, you should still wait 3 mos to see if she has gotten pregnant from you poking and climbing all over the little girl's body. DO YOU KNOW HOW YOUNG A GIRL HAS TO BE TO HAVE NEVER MENSTRATED? SICK.

How sad that so many Black people's ONLY link to God is a child molester who owned Black people and referred to us as raisin heads. These muslims can't even talk to God without going through the Arabs. They can't pray without using the Arab's language. The frequent claim is that "Islam is our original nature". How the hell would the stinking arabs know what our original nature when THEY ARE NOT EVEN ORIGINAL PEOPLE? They just got out of the caves, hell- many of them are STILL living in caves LOOOOL.

I tell you what: if Mohammed or any of you sniveling black slave muslims put your hands on any girl in my family I'd beat you to death and send you straight to hell WHERE MOHAMMED IS NOW. Of course, Mohammed couldn't bother anyone on myh street because if he was alive today HE WOULD BE A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER and they can't live on my street because it is near a school. Al hamdu lillah!!

What kind of an inbred moron are you?

I'd really like for you to go visit a traditionalAfrican village where young girls are married at 12 and call the Chief a child molestor, and then tell me how many fingersyou have left.

Despite what you think, an 11 year is only considered achild dependinghowa specificsocietydetermines childhood phase and adult phase. And it's universal, not everyone is wealthy enough to have childhood last late into the teens. People work with their circumstances, and judging them from your western point of view is just plain foolish. Next time you wanna write something, you better have the context to back it up instead of just immitating your white christianmassa.

And buddy how about you keep the inferiority complex to a minimum, aint nohairy arab trying to enslave you. Broaden your mind, tryhard egyptian dipshit.

24:33 And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste, until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And those of your slaves who ask for a writing (of freedom), give them the writing, if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And compel not your slave-girls to prostitution when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail goods of this world's life. And whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful



This is an indirect approval for owning slaves. There are several clauses in here to make it clear from inference that actual slave owning is not morally wrong.

Free them "if you know any good in them". I could claim I know no good in my slaves and keep the mean tempered ones then. Given the nature of slavery by default that would be most of them for who is happy being owned?

The second part condemns forcing your slave girls into prostitution, not condemning you for having slave girls in the first place. That it is implied is fine so long as you do not compel them.

Not good enough.

One Zero Seven wrote:

Anyone who could read such beautiful verses which promote good will, chastity and decency, and come away thinking that it is referring to anything as ugly as "sexual slavery" is exposing the corruption of his or her own thinking.

Once again, the Holy Qur'an is its own best defense.

RM

One Zero Seven wrote: If it is true (and it is) that the circumstances under which a thing comes into existence determine its Nature, or, as Jesus is quoted as saying, "A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit, nor can a good tree bring forth corrupt fruit...by their fruits ye shall know them";

Why would you even quote this? If anything, the fruits of Islam is slavery, sexual abuse, terrorism amongst other malignanciesin the world. Ok, I know some African Muslims are going to say, "some Africans converted 'peacefully' to Islam". Find and dandy. Then it also serves to create apologists to Arabs, and even more Africans in mental servitude to a non-African foreign culture.



One Zero Seven wrote: bs1...you didn't even address The Watcher's key points. The very verses you highlighted can only be stated with the initial premise that female sex slaves, and slaves in general, are accepted in Islamic culture. You've only further demonstrated that Arabs as well as the Islamic religion is sick and perverted.

Shemsi...

I have read your post, and others, and intend, insha'Allah, to address it fully within the next24 hours or so.

I hope that you are prepared for the journey...it will be a long one.

RM

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

Salaam to all.

First, the title of this thread is as follows:

Again...the Holy Qur'an is Its own Best Defense
...debunking the "sex slave" lies...

The references from the Holy Qur'an were provided to address the specifically stated issue of the thread, and said references absolutely prove to the sane mind that the Holy Qur'an, and therefore ISLAM, condones no such thing as "sex slavery".

The Watcher, not satisfied to address the specific point of the thread, chose to address a point not raised by the initial post, and to discredit the point HE raised as though it is tantamount to discrediting the credibility of the initial post.

This is what is called a "straw man" argument, and is therefore fallacious and not worthy of addressing in this context.

All one need do to defeat the initial post is to find in the Holy Qur'an where "sex slavery" is condoned. This has not been done by any of the critical posters on this thread.

More to come, insha'Allah, on the importance of CONTEXT and the relation between a given "fact" and the context without which it has no real value.

RM

So the counterpoints tological points will bemore religious ideology? How isbelief in itself proof of anything? What are you arguing in defense of?

If you are saying that the words are infallible and those words contain the phrase "your slaves"... isn't that implicit approval of the practice?