After seeing the news where John Reid was delivering a speech about Muslim parents and their responsibilities and was loudly heckled by Abu Izzadeen, apparently a "British Jamaican".

I have to ask: What attracts Jamaican or Black British men to Islam? Jamaica is a solidly Christian country, there are churches all over :?

But over here, many times I've seen young Muslim men set up stalls with leaflets and handbooks containing quotes from the Qu'ran. Most of the time there's Black males: college kids aged 16, 17 years old upwards, absorbing the theories and taking in the conversation.

What does Islam offer to them that Christianity does not?

Is it Power over women? Focus and a direction in their lives? Controlling their own destiny, instead of "theman"? Or is it Respect, from friends and family, from a world which still doesn't value and respect Black men fully?

"what attracts Jamaican or Black British men to Islam? Jamaica is a solidly Christian country, there are churches all over"

so that they can attract gorgeous muslim women like me.

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You asked what attracts black men to Islam? I will first ask why do these men want Islam?



Islam is a complete religion from the time of Adam to the last messenger prophet Mohammed (peace of upon him). Islam teaches that the man must be wary of his actions in this world, and he will be judged in the hereafter. This alone breeds righteousness in a man, and the choice to do good on this earth. Most black men see Islam as a way of mending their ways without confessing to a man in a box on Sunday. What ever you have done before you entered Islam all those sins will be wiped way, providing you enter the faith with a sincere heart.



A man once tried to convert me to Christianity. He wouldn’t even let me speak; I think he was a Jehovah witness type. he kept on asking questions like. Do you believe in god? Yes! Do you believe in the mighty saver Jesus? I said yes! Do you believe in Moses? Yes! Do you believe in the bible? Yes! And he was like Whaaat? And I said to him what do you think of Muslims? He was like they told us Moslems worship a black box in the middle of a desert, and kiss the ground five times a day! lol



So he said to me was “why aren’t you a Christian??� I said I would go to your religion if you can show me that your religion is better than Islam and will bring me closer to my creator. he rubbed his hands together...but I said you have to come with proof.



Now any belief system is based on the concept of faith, it’s not based on any kind of proof, when you say proof your talking about science…your not talking about faith anymore…I told him in our religion we have both! We have faith and the science, so we have proof & truth!



I was ready to convert to Christianity, and he knew it too. But the fact that I said you got to have evidence shocked him. Because that’s what every Muslim should have in their heart. The Will to go for something better that will enable us to become closer to our creator, and provided you come with proof. I said to him also I’m not interested in hearing about your dream last night or the feeling that you have at the bottom of your heart, come with proof.



we talk some more, and I told him Islam is only interested in cold hard evidence. I told him every other religion out there has to deal with blind faith, because they don’t have any proof. And if they did it we already find it in Islam. But for argument sakelets say we don’t have any proof, for those who are not Muslim. I’m going to assume that we don’t know the truth, and we are going to search from zero. I asked him does the devil believe in the creator? He said yes! So if the criterion to go to paradise is just belief then the devil is granted to go to heaven?? Also does the devil know that the creator is one without any partners? I said to him also that the devil prayed to allah and asked him that give me time sohe can send Adam’s children into hell fire. He did notgo andpray to a rock or a wooden block, Noooo! He asked Allah! so the devil knows there is a creator but that alone wont help him on the day of judgment.



So going back to the initial argument we are talking about science& the proof in Islam. So where does the proof begin? Don’t go rushing to the quran and say see what this says?? If I’m going to do that I need to go to the Arabic language, because the Quran is not written in any other language other than Arabic. Could you imagine me walking up to some English dude and speaking Arabic…they will say get the hell outta here! They are not going to understand what you saying are they? So I will start from the beginning. I will start with the question…do you see a creation around you? If he says no then you’re wasting you time, telling him about scriptures, because he don’t believe!



So we have to go to a logical place to begin with, look at the universe I told him. The universe consists of orbiting spheres, going round other larger spheres. But you can’t see this without a telescope! I’m I right or wrong? He nods his head. Now lets talk about another creation of Allah… the molecules like the atoms, consisting of protons, neutrons, and electrons. I said to him molecules are round sphere, yes or no? Yes. The electron is a sphere, yes or no? Yes! The atom is a sphere yes or no? Yes! So what you have is spheres orbiting other larger spheres just like the solar system? Yes or no? Yes! But I told him you couldn’t see this without a microscope yes or no? yes! So I broke it down even further for him. I said how come we are the exact size & height on this planet right here without the optical assistance of a telescope we don’t really know what’s going on in the universe. It wasn’t until the telescope came along that people started to figure it out. The same way that we didn’t know what the micro universe was until the electron microscope came along. So who was the one that put us at this exact size that without those tools we wouldn’t know? He was like..well I don’t get it! I said hold on…wait a minute..lets take it one step further and think about this. When you observe the universe do you see order or chaos? I told him we just described the universe, the big one & tiny one. Spheres going around other spheres and turning while they do it! True or false? True! So I ask him is that chaos or organization?



I hand another example for him, I told him take that glass of water and drop it on the hard ground. What will happen? It will break! I said into how many pieces? He said I don’t know until I drop it. I asked him will it ever break and separate into small glass cups that you can reuse? I asked him will it ever spite exactly into half? How many times must I drop this glass cup for it to break into two small glasses? I said to him it will never ever happen, no matter how many times you drop it. And I finally told him how when you understand that when you drop this glass cup, you can’t get anything organized out of it. And look to the universe and say this came from an exploding rock??


I give one last example, I told him. If you look at a tornado and it just scoped up a few scraps of metal in a junk yard, and whirls it inside and *boom* drops it on the ground… is it a brand new Lexus? With the engine running?? He is like maaan you stupid of course not, how can you say that? If you can’t believe that then how can you look to the universe and say there’s no creator. So I said to him without proof you really have no belief in the creator, it's only when you can use it that it becomes effective. if you can't prove a creator's behind it, then you have no real belief.

People are drawn to Islam because it has answers; the quran is not a scientific textbook, but a book to guide mankind to the straight path.

2deal2 wrote:

The same thing that attracts many Africans the world over when they have been bamboozled by missionaries or faced cultural annilihation.

Jamaica is a Christian country butwere the Africans who were imported there Christians?

In the absense of any real spirituality Africans in Jamica are reduced to hand me down religions which often are intertwined with traditional beliefs as is the case on the continent.

Islam is one of the greatest obstacles to Africans reclaiming their history/ especially when followed fundementally as the religion demands that all other beliefs are heathen ( a cultural attack which implies that alternative ways of representing the divine are inferior by default). You only have to look at the landsouth of modern Egyptwhere many of the obelicks and temples and books of learning were burnt following Arabic conversion and invasion. Even within the land which was Kemet Arabs used the shiningwhite capping stones used in the construction of the great pyramids for use in their materials to buildmosques and homes.

Craft and everday symbols representing the different aspect of the universal force are looked upon as "craven images" and idol worship.

An African muslim must by neccesity renounce his former history in Kemet and elsewhere on the continentas it is in contradiction with his/her beliefs.

There is a vacuum and Islam fills it. Tell the youths that its the original black mans religion and nuff of them without any self knowledge will soak it up.

The very fact that some fools have got involved in this terrosism tells you that this ficticious muslim brotherhood theory will have many young Africans in the Westblowing themselves up in the name of Arabic political aims.

I got nuff friends who have turned muslim over the last 15 yrsbut plenty are hypocrites and still bun their weed / drink/ pull moves/. Some are pious.90% of them find an Asian women to settle with. Its got to the point that a food shop near to where I work has Asian women serving Carribean food / due to what I can only assume is a Islamic connection because the sign in the shop says halal meat (which I dont touch with a barge pole knowing how these Asians are with their old rustymeat they love to sell in black areas).

Its a vacuum. If it wasnt Islam it would be Buddism or Hindu. Trust me.

@2Deal2

If your thread is in connection to the Muslim man who disrupted John Reids' speech yesterday, then you got it wrong cos that man aint Black. He's P*kistani.

Could it be because they keep run from one slave owner to the next. They still don't have a knowledge of self, and so their souls are still bought and sold.

Oh yeah, I don't want to here anything from Continentals saying my people "chose Islam". This ain't about you. This is about the damaged cultural psyche of Diasporans and why they continue to value other people's ideologies. Your path to and through Islam is a different discussion for a different thread.

It is as Shemsu Djehuti/Tehuti has said: it is because they keep running from one slave master to the next.

First off, Islam is not the original ANYTHING. The Arabs are an AD PEOPLE. They are not a BC people. So they are FAR from being original. If Islam is such an original religion, then why do you need a book (Quran) that only came about in the 600's??

The Arabs came to OUR religions via Mohammed's work on the caravans, when he traveled to Egypt and learned about the wisdom of the Mtw Ntr. It is for this reason that sura 49 can be found, ayat by ayat, in the Prt m Hru when the Prt m Hru was written THOUSANDS of years before Mohammed.

It takes a very colonized and warped mind to allow foreign people to tell us what our "original nature" is. How would they know? But Black people let the stinking child molesting arabs (Mohammed was poking a 12 year old child named Aisha in his FORTIES) tell us that "we're all muslims. our parents make us into jews, christians, etc." That's not true. Child molesting slave owners made us into Christians and muslims.

You must also ask yourselves, if Islam is so "original and complete", why it is that wherever Black people practice Islam all we get is violence, disease, and poverty? Who are the members of the NOI? Violent criminals. What's happening in Mali, Somalia, Nigeria, etc? Violence and disease. Even Askia Mohammed's so-called glorious empire was filled with violence and forced conversions. His own sons started killing up a bunch of people and kicked him out of his own country. What have we EVER had as black muslims?

What did we have when we practiced our ORIGINAL religions? Our own countries, our own cultures, dignity, castles, pyramids, GLORY. Keep worshipping those racist arabs if you want to. They have you right where they want you. Mohammed used to call Black people "raisin heads" and he is your ONLY link to God. Without the Arabs you have no religion, no Quran, no salat, no diet, nothing. They are some of the most cruel and violent people on this planet. And they hate your Black guts.

Islam and West Afrika

The end of the Ghana Empire came at the hands of al-Murabitun (Almoravids) in the year 1076 C.E. The Murabitun movement had begun among the militant Muslim tribes of the Barbers of the Sinhaja. The word al-Murabitun is derived from an Arabic word 'ibat which means a sufi monastery. In the 11th century, Tarsina, a Lambtuna leader, went on hajj and on his return proclaimed a jihad on the pagan farmers of Senegal river area.
full text at http://members.tripod.com/worldupdat...world/id26.htm



In West Africa a tradition of renewalist jihad developed during the eighteenth century, reaching a climax with the efforts of Uthman Dan Fodio (1754-1817), whose holy war of reform resulted in the establishment of the caliphate of Sokoto in northern Nigeria and a network of related renewalist principalities. One of the last of these jihads was proclaimed by al-Hajj Umar in 1852. Although it began as a more traditional renewalist movement, it soon became a part of the new, nineteenth-century pattern of conflict with European imperialism. Similar movements of reformist jihad, often associated with tariqahs, were established in western China and Southeast Asia.

full text at http://www.cqpress.com/context/articles/epr_islam.html

The Senegalese were also notorious Afrikan Muslim Slave traders. Many Senegalese became very wealthy as a result of our misery.

Islam is designed to make us turn on our own people and worship the arabs. Brothers who are muslims even dress like arabs, desperately trying to surround themselves with what they feel is a superior culture.

Arab religions are for arabs. Caucasian religions are for whites. Afrikan religions are for Afrikan people. Black people are the only ones who don't know that. We are like Saturday night hookers without a customer, running here, there and everywhere but too afraid and ashamed to look to our own.

In the context of the recent issues around terrorism. Well first look at the black men involved. Not many black friends, hanging around and being brainwashed into their Arab nonsense. Look at the age of most of these young guys impressionable and needy.

Also Islam gives them masculinity and respect. It also has a warrior mentality which speaks to men. In my day we were the examplary warriors who stood up to white men in their hundreds or more and to their police force and busted them up like girls..We drove fear into our enemies they did not cower us in fear.

Today the Arab and his Asian family are the ones who are giving leadership and utilising that masculine power and need which in my youth would be directed at white men and people and police in particular. The Islmamists are todays examplars who have no fear whatsover and will take on whoever. That appeals to masculine psyche of many, myself included I have to add.

Like their ancient slave bearing ancesstors who filled his armies with Africans these folk like the white man never go into a fight unless they can recruit some Africans first..

One of those guys who died during the July 7 explosion the brother from JA family, was a right little hero and dare devil when you read how he was regarded in terrorist circles. A very very smart and sharp dude from all accounts the type of brothers we would have been recruiting in the days of mass recruitment.

So we aint going on with nothing on a large scale, the Arab boy will come in and use our resources and link racism and anti-Westernism in it and get them hot and worked up. Sure they even throw a bit of Malcolm X in there as well to make it more familiar too and tell them that many of their ancesstors were Muslim before being Christianized.

Look at the images coming from hip hop and the British scene there is nothng honourable or brave about what we see and in fact it is humiliating as men. Blacks killing each other, men women and children not even knowing who the real enemy is.

Islam gives them a very very clear enemy and engages their higher selves in a way which maximises honour and respect rather than acting like low life ghetto punks who are merciless with the poor and weak but can't shoot straight with fear when they see a white boy in a uniform.

We gain consequence when we fight for others just like joining the white man's army in most instances...not all I need to add.

Simple. really.confused3

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