I cant get my head round the doctrine of the trinity. Is it really what jesus wanted us to beleive? if jesus is god or son's god are they equally powerful and how can they co exist when 1/3 of the concept is dead (jesus)



Didnt jesus say "The first of all commandements is, Hear O isreal: the lord our God is one Lord" Mark xii.25.

Is there a verse in the Bible where jesus said I am god and worship me? It seems the opposite as found in Luke xviii.19 where jesus rebukes a certian ruler for praising him "why callest thou me good? none is good, save one that is god"



If jesus wanted people to worship him as 1/3 of the trinity then he would have taught it, wouldnt he?

There is a lot about the trinity - reas Acts 2 v 37 and 38 and Acts 4:12 - probably the simplest couple ones in relation to this I have off hand.

ztylez wrote:
These verses say nothing about the three entities of Jesus, Holy Spirit, and God the Father as One.

Salaam (Peace) to all.

It is my view that the "trinity" of Christendom/Christianity is a crude attempt to give expression to a Divine Principle - the Triune Nature of Existence...Spirit/Energy(Father)...Matter/Mater-ial (Mother)...LIFE Manifested (Son).

The baser motivations of those who sought to use Divine Wisdom for their own selfish purposes could not render an accurate interpretation of such Wisdom, for the eyes are only as open as the heart. A corrupt heart blinds the eyes to the truth.

RM

so islam and christianity teach the same ie to beleive in one GOD as that was jesus's message and the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

No. Islam and Christianity do not teach the same thing.

Trinity or this idea of trinity is not mentioned either in the bible. Exactly what one zero seven as wrote above is what as happened. To comprehend the mystery of the Oness of God, can only be shown to you and I by God himself. Men have tried to interpret scripture without divine revelation from God, and thus come up with a triune concept to explain what is written.

Islam does not understand who the Christ is and so too are blind as a great many other religions out there.

Keep always in your mind the

'Shema'



Hear oh Israel the LORD our God is one Lord.

Now introduce the Son, but don't detract from the Shema.

Jesus said, You call me the Son of David, but David said "The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou at my right hand till I make thine enemies thy foot stool".

Jesus the asked, how then does David call me Lord ?.

LEILA23 wrote:


Indeed, instead he taught youabout being one with your father instead.

Salaam (Peace) to all.

Justavoice wrote:

Quote:

"Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?' And then will I profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.' "

@One Zero Seven,

I recall you mentioning a time back that you did attend church before converting to Islam. So What you wrote regarding the origins of the term trinity, we are in full agreement with. This knowledge you have may have been gained whilst you were a member of Islam or a member of "a christian church" either way. All I see with you, is that you have knowledge of the two religions and so can navigate your way through discussions.

As for being blind, well there are many states to blindness .
Very Cryptic, but you know what One Zero, Some christians whom you and I might right of by what we believe to be evidence that does not represent the Christ will be the very same ones we see coming in glory with him. A child of God is not always the finish product, some fall only to stand again.for it is writttena Justman fall seven times and rise up again.

God is gracious and longsuffering, for if God was like man or even the angels, who would stand ?

You have not understood the scripture, Jesus is talking about relationship. It is possible for a man to call on the name of Jesus, and by virtue and powerof the name will cast out demons not becausehe that calls the name is living right, but because the name isexalted in heaven and in earth. The Apostle Paul preached that it was possible for him to preach in others while his soul yet be a cast away and warned that we be careful of these things.

Many people use certain principals out of the bible and get great wealth and appear to be good, but if you look into there belief they themself have no relationship as such with God. However because they use the principals of scripture they reap certain benefits.

i.e. If you give, it will be given to you. Oprah Winfrey gives much, and in return sheaccumulates much back, she is using a bible principal. However look into Oprah's beliefs and you will see she is in no relationship with God.

Jesus spoke and said after the miracle offeeding the multitude, he began to watch and told his disciples,some follow me for the fish and the bread.

Read into it bruh ?

@HLF



Your truth or the whole truth HLF. What exactly is the disagreement ? Yehoshua or Jesus ?

You say tomado, I say tomato. End of the day its round and red right. The day I serve a God who only made provision for a aramaic speaking world and did not make room for the non-aramaic speaking world, then i'd have to question his omniscience.

but a wise one man said, "Master, teach me". So HLF, though I don't call any man my master but christ, i will say this, if you have some knowledge that you wish to drop, then lets hear it and let us reason together.