Pagan rituals and symbolism in Contemporary religion - Page 2

WEBLY12 · (#26 (**permalink**))

Jay Jay wrote:

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@WEBLY12

People are afraid and only want to go back to a certain point in history, they don't want to look further and they dont want to look at what other cultures say.... example: if phonte knows some hebrew then he should look at the torah and find out what sheol is, then find out how its meaning changed from judaisms 5 books of moses into christianitys 5 books of moses with the new testament? and then if you like islams old testament/new testament with?......... another prophet

Each subsequent holy books does a revision then reinforcement of the previous.

Coming from a catholic background It was easier to see where it's origins came from with all it's symbols, other denominations will cuss catholicism because it shows it's links to the past, yet they still say similar things and the same teaching, all that has happened is the origins has been erroded even more with other denominations, just like Khnum and his potters wheel making man from clay right through to Allah making man from clay in islam, the origins has been erroded and replaced. And the deeply entrenched will just argue and say it was Yahweh/Allah all along.confused3

Personally I'm still intrigued as to how such a similar story can be found in the 4 four corners of the earth in such ancient times, I find it remarkable, that these stories can surface with localized names & terms.

YEAH THE CO-OP AND RELATIONSHIPS WE AS A PEOPLE ARE SO CLOSE YET SO FAR AWAY ITS A SHAME CULTURES HAD TO "SWAGGA JACK" AND CHANGE THE CREDITS

JAY-JAY NUFF RESPECT LETS HOPE PHONTE DOES MORE RE-SEARCH INTO WHAT HE IS FOLLOWING
AND SEES IT FOR WHAT IT ISAS APPOSED TO SOME ONE ELSE'S INTERPRETATION

PHONTE!! WHERE ARE YOU (HOPE YOUR CHECKING US OUT)

blktype

Jay Jay · (#27 (**permalink**))

What is missing from most is REASON, the ability to see reason is missing from those of blind faith. It's easy to hate Africa/Egypt because it's in the books, if other WELL KNOWN RELIGIONS says the same thing as in ancient Khem, but is not written in the holy books a reasoning failure occurs.

If reasoning is ignored in favour not to hate the Hindus/Bhuddists who by all accounts, should also be with the devils tricksters, it can only be what brother HatHaruhotep wrote earlier:

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internalized racism and self-hatred. "

Because you can't hate one and not the other. Therefore hatred is more for one party than the other, selfhatred. Not good.

HLF · (#28 (**permalink**))

Jay Jay wrote:

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All the holidays and dates of feasts etc in Islam are of pagan origin just like christianity.
Both are broad gates of the overall broad gate of religion, they all have a little truth which they have latched upon, truth is never in discord with itself, but they all do have huge lies attached to them, binding people from higher spiritual understanding.

You see polytheism, others see and recognise the different aspects of gods, again they are not gods just aspects, so one would represent water, the other a phase of the sun etc, basically its telling a story or represents a meaning. Yet the bible and qur'an will have the same stories told before but with the aspects removed, but the story is the same. people will attribute everything to the god of moses, but savy people will still know that beforehand what originally was meanings and aspects of nature has just turned into one whole entity in the new religions.

What is it truely at it's root? Recognization or worship? Either recognization or worship in parts of the divine aspects with the lack of the whole who it is attributed to is empty and really doesn't have real purpose. It was distorted, changed, removed, etc. The key to unlocking the door to higher and whole spiritual understanding and awareness is placing everything back into its proper perspective, the truth from the lie, the actuality from the distortion, the reality from the illusion. I did not come across the wealth of information and understanding until I understood who the God of Moses (Yahweh) was and the truth pertaining to Him and how it affects my reality and the world reality.

Alexander the great lord of the backside is known to have destroyed the greatest libraries wherever his conquest took him, virtually all our history globally erased.... and all we are left with is Alexander the great? this is widely known. His conquest ended going eastwards, you will find the oldest texts in the world here, a place Alexander didnt manage to burn.
If not burned, taken and stored in a secure place 'til this day..that it is.

Hrunopi · (#29 (**permalink**))

blah blah blah...

Please gentlemen please. What folks need to be worshipping is reality-Later for where this or that came from.

A cross is a cross. And who knows what the cross Jesus was crucified on was like? I certainly don't and I'm not about to believe anyone else does? Egyptian ankh pagan Christ cross? The last time I checked Egypts highly complex theological system was 5000 years older than Christianity or anything caucasians presumed to do with it. That so called 'pagan' system was more grounded in the REAL NATURE AND FUNCTION OF THE CREATION than the current system of pie-in-the-sky faith-not-sight believe-don't know religon we have today-Which is the reason everyone's arguing because everyone is arguing BELIEF, and any belief is as valid as any other.

Ishtar,Easter, Esther,Ashtar-All the same thing. The only difference is the culture that named it.

It seems the only sensible perspective here has come from WEBLY12 who has taken the trouble to recognize the relative values of names and comparitive adaptations of identities. HowST becameISIS becameMER becameMERI became MARY, and so forth. If you want to know then study the language-The same way peru became perro, because those who saw the heiroglyph assumed that's what 'peru' meant, 'dog'; and they were Spanish.

So you folks are engaging in some very dangerous splintering of information, making one thing many things and yourselves twisting them to suit what you have presumed or interpreted, comparing with bias rather than concepts, which are absolute no matter what whomever has decided to call them. What do I care about Kig James being a queer? What has that got to do with God? We need to stop trying pay other people's debts. If King James was indeed such a sinner, at least hemanaged to produce a work reflecting God's glory, more that can be said for the lot of us, and guess what? That work, along with Microsoft Windows, can be found in just about every home.

So until anyone has a debate these tingsthat is un-debatable, I suggest making better use of one's time and effort.

WEBLY12 · (#30 (**permalink**))

Hrunopi wrote:

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blah blah blah...

Please gentlemen please. What folks need to be worshipping is reality-Later for where this or that came from.

A cross is a cross. And who knows what the cross Jesus was crucified on was like? I certainly don't and I'm not about to believe anyone else does? Egyptian ankh pagan Christ cross? The last time I checked Egypts highly complex theological system was 5000 years older than Christianity or anything caucasians presumed to do with it. That so called 'pagan' system was more grounded in the REAL NATURE AND FUNCTION OF THE CREATION than the current system of pie-in-the-sky faith-not-sight believe-don't know religon we have today-Which is the reason everyone's arguing because everyone is arguing BELIEF, and any belief is as valid as any other.

Ishtar,Easter, Esther,Ashtar-All the same thing. The only difference is the culture that named it.

It seems the only sensible perspective here has come from WEBLY12 who has taken the trouble to recognize the relative values of names and comparitive adaptations of identities. HowST becameISIS becameMER becameMERI became MARY, and so forth. If you want to know then study the language-The same way peru became perro, because those who saw the heiroglyph assumed that's what 'peru' meant, 'dog'; and they were Spanish.

So you folks are engaging in some very dangerous splintering of information, making one thing many things and yourselves twisting them to suit what you have presumed or interpreted, comparing with bias rather than concepts, which are absolute no matter what whomever has decided to call them. What do I care about Kig James being a queer? What has that got to do with God? We need to stop trying pay other people's debts. If King James was indeed such a sinner, at least hemanaged to produce a work reflecting God's glory, more that can be said for the lot of us, and guess what? That work, along with Microsoft Windows, can be found in just about every home.

So until anyone has a debate these tingsthat is un-debatable, I suggest making better use of one's time and effort.

Im just trying to convey the best and most intelligent way to deal with everything on this earth everything must have a mother tounge and that mother tounge will explain the original meaning of the word or object you are trying to describe

ie leprosy back in the day is different to the leprosy of today

from a source
when the Bible describes leprosy, it describes it in these words â€œbecame leprous, white as snow.â€? This whiteness on the individualâ€™s skin meant separation from the assembly of God because the person was declared impure. (google representation with more sources leaning to this aggreement)

and today it means

,Leprosy, also known as Hrunopi glad you overs where im comming from
Phonte you abandoned us??? open the worms but dont want to come fishing lol
(only kidding) na really i would like to see your views on the tread...please

WEBLY12 · (#31 (**permalink**))

WEBLY12 wrote:

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Hrunopi wrote:

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blah blah blah...

Please gentlemen please. What folks need to be worshipping is reality-Later for where this or that came from.

A cross is a cross. And who knows what the cross Jesus was crucified on was like? I certainly don't and I'm not about to believe anyone else does? Egyptian ankh pagan Christ cross? The last time I checked Egypts highly complex theological system was 5000 years older than Christianity or anything caucasians presumed to do with it. That so called 'pagan' system was more grounded in the REAL NATURE AND FUNCTION OF THE CREATION than the current system of pie-in-the-sky faith-not-sight believe-don't know religon we have today-Which is the reason everyone's arguing because everyone is arguing BELIEF, and any belief is as valid as any other.

Ishtar,Easter, Esther,Ashtar-All the same thing. The only difference is the culture that named it.

It seems the only sensible perspective here has come from WEBLY12 who has taken the trouble to recognize the relative values of names and comparitive adaptations of identities. HowST becameISIS becameMER becameMERI became MARY, and so forth. If you want to know then study the language-The same way peru became perro, because those who saw the heiroglyph assumed that's what 'peru' meant, 'dog'; and they were Spanish.

So you folks are engaging in some very dangerous splintering of information, making one thing many things and yourselves twisting them to suit what you have presumed or interpreted, comparing with bias rather than concepts, which are absolute no matter what whomever has decided to call them. What do I care about Kig James being a queer? What has that got to do with God? We need to stop trying pay other people's debts. If King James was indeed such a sinner, at least hemanaged to produce a work reflecting God's glory, more that can be said for the lot of us, and guess what? That work, along with Microsoft Windows, can be found in just about every home.

So until anyone has a debate these tingsthat is un-debatable, I suggest making better use of one's time and effort.

Im just trying to convey the best and most intelligent way to deal with everything on this earth everything must have a mother tounge and that mother tounge will explain the original meaning of the word or object you are trying to describe

ie leprosy back in the day is different to the leprosy of today

from a source
when the Bible describes leprosy, it describes it in these words â€œbecame leprous, white as snow.â€? This whiteness on the individualâ€™s skin meant separation from the assembly of God because the person was declared impure. (google representation with more sources leaning to this aggreement)

and today it means

Leprosy, PLEASE DO A GOOGLE WIKI AS IM UNABLE TO PASTE THE CONTENTS

also known as Hrunopi glad you overs where im comming from
Phonte you abandoned us??? open the worms but dont want to come fishing lol
(only kidding) na really i would like to see your views on the tread...please

PLEASE ESCUSE HTE LAS TPOST I HAV TRID TO CUT AD PASTE THE ONLIN WIKI UT TO NO AVIL PLEASE GOOGE AN OU WILL SEE.....DO SOME RESEARCH

LOVE YOU ALL

the main event · (#32 (**permalink**))

Rasruben, did u no the cross in ur pic shows that christ didnt die on d cross but actually represents re -incarnation as there is no end to d top of the cross - cud b linked to hinduism.

r u a hindu?

RasRuben · (#33 (**permalink**))

the main event wrote:

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Rasruben, did u no the cross in ur pic shows that christ didnt die on d cross but actually represents re -incarnation as there is no end to d top of the cross - cud b linked to hinduism.

r u a hindu?

Greetings brother, Im Hotep

You are slightly confused brother, about the origins of this "cross" that I use as my avatar. It is called an Ankh and has nothing to do with Jesus what so ever. It predates the existence of jesus by at least 6000 years of recorded history and probably many more millenia that has been lost to the sands of time. It has nothing to do with hinduism or christianity. It predates those religions by so much the link could not possibly stand up against historic scrutiny. The top of the ankh you are misrepresenting as something it is not. The Ankh is the ancient kemitic symbol meaning the key to life. The top of the ankh that you believe means reincarnation actually represents the womans womb. The horisontal line represemts the male phallus. The length extending from the ankh vertically represents the pathway to life. The ankh in it's totality represents man and woman as the key to life. The symbol for rebirth, creation and reincarnation is the scarab beetle.

To answer your question directly I am not a hindu, I would be a fool to be one. In the hindu caste system I would be an untouchable. That tends to happen to dark skinned African people amongst hindus. And if you want to know. Hinduism is a copied faith as well, taken from ancient African peoples and reformed.

I am sorry but your interpretation is simply incorrect.

Shem Hotep

Jay Jay · (#34 (**permalink**))

HLF wrote:

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What is it truely at it's root? Recognization or worship? Either recognization or worship in parts of the divine aspects with the lack of the whole who it is attributed to is empty and really doesn't have real purpose. It was distorted, changed, removed, etc. The key to unlocking the door to higher and whole spiritual understanding and awareness is placing everything back into its proper perspective, the truth from the lie, the actuality from the distortion, the reality from the illusion. I did not come across the wealth of information and understanding until I understood who the God of Moses (Yahweh) was and the truth pertaining to Him and how it affects my reality and the world reality.

But isn't the God of Moses (YHWH) a bunch of concepts and terms from previous times? (Kemetian concepts)

and/or

An Annunaki (Sumerian reality)

One thing is for certain if you read the texts and all scriptures... YHWH is not Creation.

Sblizzy · (#35 (**permalink**))

You know what the difference between God and us? We think that we have all of the answers and we also put down someone else's faith while they are seeking the same truth that you are trying to seek. The bottom line is, none of us know anything because WE WERENT THERE!!!! So how can we call anyone wrong who is seeking Gods Kingdom? I believe in GOD's word period...my God tells me to keep His word and the rest He will set in order when He returns!!! Thats all that I need to know. Its not worth arguing. For God is the author of peace and the Devil is the author of confusion. End of story. I hope that you all live your faith the best way that youknow how and hope that God blesses you all more than ever.