Pagan rituals and symbolism in Contemporary religion - Page 4

phonte · (#76 (**permalink**))

Man am back my book is 75% complete i have done extensive research on this and the results are something else. i found a publisher, here are some things i found out which i have included. My book will be finished by the 2008.

-Contemporary christianity has nothing to do with Jah it was started by constantine . Pagan religions dating as far back as babylon heavily influence christians.

- the bible has been altered in many ways but it has not been invalidated . A lot of words have been added that were never there.

-The word church's was never inthe original bible , the word actually comes from Circe who is a sun goddess. The original word was ekklessia which means group of believers . The church is a man made institution started by ST ignitious of antioch. I am going to br controversial and call the church the whore of babylon because its the only instituition fits the bill.

- Roman church architecture is just a remake of old pagan temples.

- Rome passes laws through ecumenical councils which all churches follow. So regardless of different names they all fall under Rome. So calling yourself protestant baptist or whatever when you still follow Rome doesn't fly.

-Theres a lot of biblical books that were removed by Rome , the bible we hold today is not complete .

- people that think christianity is a white man's religion are taking God's name in vain. they are blaming God for what men do , men who hide under the cloak of jah but do things of the devil. I have a warning for you that think following pagan egyptian religions is the right thing to do .

And a whole lot more, my biblical understanding has increased since i started this topic . I amazed at how the world is ignorant to all these corruptions . A lot of people will be able to comprehend the deceit laid upon them simply because they put their faith in men and are taught by men. My faith is in Jah and i don't follow no laws of men .

Jay Jay · (#77 (**permalink**))

@ phonte

What you have to except is the bibles pagan origins in Egypt, the bible is Egyptian, once you understand this it allows you to throw out the nonsense. The monarchy in heaven comes from the Egyptian monarchical structure of Pharoahs/Kings.... and this is Egyptian nonsense, so how does this ancient nonsense influence your thinking? they knew this was nonsense for a brief time roughly around 1500BCE.

I'll let you do more extensive researching......you cannot just research sideways to accommodate and validate, only sideways backwards and yonder will help get an overall picture.

@ submission

The thread is originally aboutPagan rituals and symbolism in Contemporary religion, apart from the side banter.... Islam fits joint top dog in this category, pray 5 times, hajj, crescant moon/calendar, fasting in the month of Ramadan the list goes on and on, all of this are rituals and symbolism from it's pagan past grafted onto it's Islamic present, only the names have been changed at it's core.

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What you have shared is basic, but not complete. By weaving it together (context), I see that is is not complete.

As you say of my addiction and attachment, is my attachment of the physical or spiritual? We are both walking two different paths but which path are we walking upon? Who is walking the spiritual path? Who is walking any other path but that path to higher purpose and meaning? Who isreligio? Who is spiritual? Who isabstract? Who is concrete? Who's knowledge can actually be applied to one's life for self-betterment and spiritual awareness?Let those who read discern. Both of our perspectives have been communicated. We willcontinue topercieve differently, youprimarily through logic and rationale (left) and I through intuition(right) as my guide and my left as a refiner of the details.

The truth has been as it has always been, but it is never completely hidden. It is all compare and contrast from here of who is really about the truth and who is not, also, exactlywho is willing to speak on the truth.
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It is primarily under the guise of self betterment I have been poking at you with a stick, spiritual awareness is for the individual, one shoe doesn't fit all, what one person sees another will look at the samething slightly differantly, there is no such thing as "chosen people" there is no God manual nobody knows or has a monopoly on the truth, however.... like I said before everybody is a little bit correct.

On the subject of right-left brain, my intuition has sent me halfway around the world and back and I was fully aware of synchronicity in play whilst doing so, it's just that I don't mention it....until now....individual.
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If I mention your thoughts are intentions and it is these intentions which creates reality, hence the need to be positive and shun all types of negativity otherwise this negativity manifests into reality unless you want this. HLF... what is left brain about this apart from the way I have simply communicated it to you?

I shakes my head confused3
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Truth only comes from knowledge,if something is not understood from the beginning, subsequent versions thereafter will be distorted leading to ignorance. If people say for example.. a sign on the seventh day and nothing happens, it is because people do not understand or except where the idea of seven or the seventh comes from historically(ancient)

The truth is how it is, not how it's interpreted down the line.

HLF · (#78 (**permalink**))

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It is primarily under the guise of self betterment I have been poking at you with a stick, spiritual awareness is for the individual, one shoe doesn't fit all, what one person sees another will look at the samething slightly differantly, there is no such thing as "chosen people" there is no God manual nobody knows or has a monopoly on the truth, however.... like I said before everybody is a little bit correct.

I feel that spiritual awareness is for a collective of individuals, a group that is far and few today. That group of individuals are bonded by a common spiritual thread. Comparing spirituality and religio, spirituality I guess is not for everyone, because it does involve a lot of continuous seeking and discerning. The [religio] world we live is pretty much "any shoe one could want plus we will bring it to you" sort of deal; instant gratification,easy pacification. Some things truly worthy ofhaving must be sought out and that hidden treasure is the truth, the unified truth.I think the spiritual disconnectedness of mankind has separated the higher level of spiritual perception that pretty much connects shared awareness and understanding of truth. This does involves the individual, but not just the individual alone, it involves the individuals.We both have difference perspectives on the spiritual, mostly as opposites if anything, but who is in line withthe perception of thereal reality and the whole divine truth? Not a little bit, all of it. Discern, discern, discern! Any who know or will know will know by discerning. Both sides have presented their cases here.

You can say there is no chosen people if you like, but that is not the whole spiritual truth. The system has tried long and hard to supress the spiritual truth, but a few will re-discover it once again. Revelations of Divine origin manifest if one seeks or not, we will all see this. Discern ardentlyand no truth will be hidden from those who discern as so.

On the subject of right-left brain, my intuition has sent me halfway around the world and back and I was fully aware of synchronicity in play whilst doing so, it's just that I don't mention it....until now....individual.
There are many things you don't mention, very important things. I don't find that honorable.

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If I mention your thoughts are intentions and it is these intentions which creates reality, hence the need to be positive and shun all types of negativity otherwise this negativity manifests into reality unless you want this. HLF... what is left brain about this apart from the way I have simply communicated it to you?

I shakes my head confused3

In the same sense, if one shuns the truth of the reality of the status of the environment and the people of that environment (both spiritually and physically) which we live in is a bliss state of ignorance. Positive and negative on the physical level, which most people are the most conscious of, is far too subjective for those spiritually binded from spiritual awareness and perception, but what it good on the spiritual level has a higher purpose of good and not only has the capacity to reflect through man, but the environment as well. I think if everyone hada real perception of what is positive and negative spiritually, the world would not be messed up as it is. The avoidance of what is positive and negative in the illusioned-reality is actually what is allowing too much negativity to be manifested in the world. People that arenot observant won't notice this and most don't care. Butavoid(shun) all awareness of the negativity that is currently in the world and it isfilling the world is what the majority of the people are doing, as long as it doesn't mess up their bubble of filtered "positivity". That is an ill-functioning perception of positive and negative spiritually.

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Truth only comes from knowledge,if something is not understood from the beginning, subsequent versions thereafter will be distorted leading to ignorance. If people say for example.. a sign on the seventh day and nothing happens, it is because people do not understand or except where the idea of seven or the seventh comes from historically(ancient)

The truth is how it is, not how it's interpreted down the line.

True, truth comes from knowledge, but no knowledge, no truth and leaves one only with undiscerned beliefs. Beliefs perpetuate ignorance, which perpetuates the state of the world holistically today.As for the idea of seven and the seventh, historically or more accurately,chronologically? History is a shorten "highlight" form of chronology. The truth does exist how it exists and existed, but how it is interpreted does make a difference, history is not the whole truth, religion is not the whole truth; It's lack of proper context affects how it is interpretated. If people build up a poster of the big picture, I know they will understand why his-story is commonly presented and not chronology, just as religion and not spirituality; both latter terms will help anyone who desires to knowwhy chronology and spirituality has been supressed, because oftheoverwhelming truth that it holds.

Jay Jay · (#79 (**permalink**))

HLF wrote:

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We both have difference perspectives on the spiritual, mostly as opposites if anything, but who is in line withthe perception of thereal reality and the whole divine truth? Not a little bit, all of it. Discern, discern, discern! Any who know or will know will know by discerning. Both sides have presented their cases here.

You can say there is no chosen people if you like, but that is not the whole spiritual truth. The system has tried long and hard to supress the spiritual truth, but a few will re-discover it once again. Revelations of Divine origin manifest if one seeks or not, we will all see this. Discern ardentlyand no truth will be hidden from those who discern as so.

Danger Will-Robinson! Danger Will-Robinson!

Both sides have presented their case here? I haven't presented any case, I've just conversed with you HLF.

example: Is there a flood story in every society around the world? then nobody holds a monopoly on the truth, everybody is a little correct, we are not opossites HLF you are just tar and feathering something you don't understand, time to grow up boy.

There is no them and us, just us....this is something you'll have to learn eventually. The time of fossil-thinking is over. Honestly I don't know how to reply to this mentality anymore.
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On the subject of right-left brain, my intuition has sent me halfway around the world and back and I was fully aware of synchronicity in play whilst doing so, it's just that I don't mention it....until now....individual.
There are many things you don't mention, very important things. I don't find that honorable.

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Throughout this thread I think I've mentioned a few practical things,

I do talk of personal experiences

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but I'm not about to splash my private life in detail just so you can find me honorable. If I had lead you down a cul-de-sac then I am sorry but I'm not going to salavate you any further.

On the subject of divine wisdom you haven't actually mentioned ANYTHING!!! because like I said before, how you interpret things is for yourself, try putting them into words so everybody will know what you're talking about and you'll find that you cannot or you will find great difficulty.

Try to do it.
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If I mention your thoughts are intentions and it is these intentions which creates reality, hence the need to be positive and shun all types of negativity otherwise this negativity manifests into reality unless you want this. HLF... what is left brain about this apart from the way I have simply communicated it to you?

I shakes my head confused3

In the same sense, if one shuns the truth of the reality of the status of the environment and the people of that environment (both spiritually and physically) which we live in is a bliss state of ignorance. Positive and negative on the physical level, which most people are the most conscious of, is far too subjective for those spiritually binded from spiritual awareness and perception, but what it good on the spiritual level has a higher purpose of good and not only has the capacity to reflect through man, but the environment as well. I think if everyone hada real perception of what is positive and negative spiritually, the world would not be messed up as it is. The avoidance of what is positive and negative in the illusioned-reality is actually what is allowing too much negativity to be manifested in the world. People that arenot observant won't notice this and most don't care. Butavoid(shun) all awareness of the negativity that is currently in the world and it isfilling the world is what the majority of the people are doing, as long as it doesn't mess up their bubble of filtered "positivity". That is an ill-functioning perception of positive and negative spiritually.

To shun negativity is to be aware and not to partake in it, I shakes my head again.confused3

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Truth only comes from knowledge,if something is not understood from the beginning, subsequent versions thereafter will be distorted leading to ignorance. If people say for example.. a sign on the seventh day and nothing happens, it is because people do not understand or except where the idea of seven or the seventh comes from historically(ancient)

The truth is how it is, not how it's interpreted down the line.

True, truth comes from knowledge, but no knowledge, no truth and leaves one only with undiscerned beliefs. Beliefs perpetuate ignorance, which perpetuates the state of the world holistically today.As for the idea of seven and the seventh, historically or more accurately,chronologically? History is a shorten "highlight" form of chronology. The truth does exist how it exists and existed, but how it is interpreted does make a difference, history is not the whole truth, religion is not the whole truth; It's lack of proper context affects how it is interpretated. If people build up a poster of the big picture, I know they will understand why his-story is commonly presented and not chronology, just as religion and not spirituality; both latter terms will help anyone who desires to knowwhy chronology and spirituality has been supressed, because oftheoverwhelming truth that it holds.

HLF you got a date that God will give a sign for the seventh day wrong, you've done it already once. It is not for me to post the link to show to all because although you may be correct in interpretation, the actual information given to you is muddled in the first place, it will always be incorrect.

If I say truth you say true truth then true true truth. Bottemline is this, if something is muddled then you will get a variation, what you talk of is muddled and I'm very suprised at how linear your thought process can be.

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You need to find a balance HLF.... quick!!!