Anyone a Judaizers, something like or know of one?

defyfear · (#1 (**permalink**))

Just a continuation of where does it say in the King James Bible where Paul calls himself a Christian.

Now Paul mentioned in Philippian 3:2

Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

What does this mean, beware of dogs? Is it the dog that bark and walk on all four?

From other translations of the KJV bible, dogs have been intepreted as people called Judaizers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaizers

Jewish Christians?

Does anyone know of any?

Apparently just like the Romans, they did not all disappear after the fall of the empire.

They could have a profound influence on this religion the world calls Christianity and also likewise Judaism practices today just like the Romans are allegedly told of?

Agu Bu Oji · (#2 (**permalink**))

I know of one guy, Josh. His mom is Christian and his dad is Jewish so hes not really Jewish as your mother has to be Jewish for a person to be a 'legit' Jew. But yeah he was a Christian Jew. Jewish but belived that Christ was the real deal.

Can't say I had in depth conversations with him about it apart from a few discussions where we traded info about Judaism/Christianity with one of our friends who was a passionate christian, passionate enough to find insult at us talking about Yesuah rather than Jesus... Josh is anothername forJesus as it happens beingJoshuahin full. At thattime we werefriends I wasRasta which neither him or hisfamily liked, they didn't say but he had a few questions based on his discomfort of my understanding of Judaism which was deeper than his, I'd refuse to eat pizza while we all sat around smoking weed while he didn't follow anything and was happy eating pork...

Rastas are Jewish Christians thinking about it.

HLF · (#3 (**permalink**))

All that it is the same play, different cast; birds of a feather.

One thing I have understood about "Judaizers"/Messianic Jews and Rasta's alike is that they both come in contact with the divine name in one form or another (Yah/Jah), but they fail by making the big error of connecting two works by two different people and two very different thinking patterns/perspectives, which are technically two gods in which people consider one work or book: the God of Israel - the Hebrews' Yahweh, and the "god" of Christianity, J.C. I read a book that contrasted the viewpoints of the people which the languages came from, I'll write more about it around here soon.

Mokele Mbembe · (#4 (**permalink**))

Didn't Jesus himself once liken a non Jewish woman to a dog when she asked for help?

Agu Bu Oji · (#5 (**permalink**))

One thing I have understood about "Judaizers"/Messianic Jews and Rasta's alike is that they both come in contact with the divine name in one form or another (Yah/Jah), but they fail by making the big error of connecting two works by two different people and two very different thinking patterns/perspectives, which are technically two gods in which people consider one work or book: the God of Israel - the Hebrews' Yahweh, and the "god" of Christianity, J.C. I read a book that contrasted the viewpoints of the people which the languages came from, I'll write more about it around here soon.

I've read that Yahweh is a diffrent God to Jehovah. Yahweh is of the old testament and Jehovah is of the new, both having diffrent personalities. When I say, 'read' I mean it was talked about briefly on a dvd focused on the Astrology within the biblical texts so it didn't go into it but is that what you are talking about?

HLF · (#6 (**permalink**))

Apedemak wrote:

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I've read that Yahweh is a diffrent God to Jehovah. Yahweh is of the old testament and Jehovah is of the new, both having diffrent personalities. When I say, 'read' I mean it was talked about briefly on a dvd focused on the Astrology within the biblical texts so it didn't go into it but is that what you are talking about?

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In name maybe, but Jehovah (JHVH)is an erronous transliteration of Yahweh (YHWH).

Agu Bu Oji · (#7 (**permalink**))

In name maybe, but Jehovah (JHVH)is an erronous transliteration of Yahweh (YHWH).

Thats what I thought... that same transliteration follows through in Kemit as well - Y = J -. Sound like a scratched record,haven't been studying at all recently but it has been said that they are two diffrent Gods with diffrent personalities, it gets crossed with my belief in that the bible itself is made up of diffrent pagan texts but I thought that is what you were saying... also I'm sure its (YHVH) rather than (W) as in -Yud-Heh-Vavh-Heh-. Some rastas use other names as well, I'm not clued upon all the Rastaschools of thought but I've heard them use Adonai as well as Jah.

HLF · (#8 (**permalink**))

Apedemak wrote:

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In name maybe, but Jehovah (JHVH)is an erronous transliteration of Yahweh (YHWH).

Thats what I thought... that same transliteration follows through in Kemit as well - Y = J -. Sound like a scratched record,haven't been studying at all recently but it has been said that they are two diffrent Gods with diffrent personalities, it gets crossed with my belief in that the bible itself is made up of diffrent pagan texts but I thought that is what you were saying... also I'm sure its (YHVH) rather than (W) as in -Yud-Heh-Vavh-Heh-. Some rastas use other names as well, I'm not clued upon all the Rastaschools of thought but I've heard them use Adonai as well as Jah.

Remember, all melaniated people have a singular source of genetic origin, and the shared pattern between the cultures alludes to that well ill and under-represented truth. The two different gods don't reside in the same testament, AP. The Hebrew Word came far before the written Greek testament. The flaw of the left-brain writing of the NT is that they could not understand the existence of a God outside of the flesh and the carnal representation of existence. The Hebrew Word, spoken far before it was written down existed since ancient times, everyone knew it and of it at one point, but the separation of people does change people's practices more the longer they are away from one another. This is clarification on what you thought I was saying, because what the OT and NT did not exist in ancient times together how they currently exist today.
As for the Divine proper name of God, Yahweh, your surety in error is misleading you, AP. The Hebrew letter, is pronounced/transliterated differently between people. The Israeli/Ashkenazi/Sephardi (Jewish) pronounce/transliterate it as Vav/V, but original spoken Hebrew as written down bibically pronounce/transliterate it as Wav/W, as shown in the Yemenite and Tiberian forms of Hebrew, even in the EARLY form of Rabbinic (Jewish) altered Hebrew, Mishnaic Hebrew, the Hebrew based on the original and closer to the original than the perverted form spoken and written today. There is a illustrative of this on wikipedia, under "Hebrew alphabet".
Rasta's principles are honorable and good, but it is the way that they may go about it that is not yielding the spiritual results that they may be seeking due to some of the perversion they may have taken on. Adonai is primarily Jewish an although many Rasta's use Jah, that is not it's original form. There is power and knowledge in knowing the original name, but using as these "other names" other the the original won't carry one far from the realm of confusion. I came across a young lady who had the word "JAH" tattooed upon her right arm, after talking with her she knew that the fuller sense of the name was "Jahweh", closer to the original but not rightly so. I knew that she hasn't done much study if she tattooed a variant on the name of God on her body to glorify him but thereby break one of his laws. Jews don't follow the orignal law, but those that observe their perverted form don't even tattoo themselves with wrong names of God or tattooes at all.