Some might say that the religion is God or vice versa. They are wrong. Let's look at this from a classicallyAfrican spiritual perspective. We know that in most cases, God was viewed as the totality of all things. It is even amusing thatWestern scientists are going back to much of the same thing Africans had been saying forcenturies about the Universe with theirrecently constructed Big Bang Theory. To get back on topic...before the extensive incursions of Arabic/Semitic or European ideological influence, there was rarelyeven a word for "religion" in most African languages. That is because it did not matter who, what, or how you worshipped, because any worship was about Godsince the One Supreme Being joined in all of its divine aspects included all that there isin the Universe. Setting aside tribal conflicts, Africans recognized the futility in spiritual divisivenessperhaps since time immemorial.

When it comes tonearly all the religions these days, they seek to divide instead of unifying. In particular, Hebrewism, Christianity, and Islam have created so much divisiveness in the mentality of the African thattoo often people of the same family, tribalaffiliation, and so forthcan no longer live together in mutually progressive peace. Given this intrinsic divisiveness withreligion,from a classical Africanperspective, it is the exact opposite of God. In fact,any statement with "God"and "religion" in the same sentence risks being contradictory in nature.

In conclusion, there is no God in Religion! Religion (and its doctrine)seeks to divide, therefore, cannot be of God.

I am coming to find out that early old Hebrew did not have vowels, and those vowels were adopted when perhaps Phonecians introduce them to it and the Hebrews made use of it.

So "God" without key vowels was and still unpronouncable in early Old Hebrew.

http://www.ancientscripts.com/old_hebrew.html

defyfear wrote: I am not sure what the relevance is here, but vowels are inherently pronounced therefore not necessary. I'm sure youcan read this just fine...

[align=center]My Gd svs, hs nm ys yhwy[/align]
[align=left]Now, what does this have to do with the absence of *God* in *Religion*?[/align]

I agree... most religions only seperate man from his self.

What about Buddahism?

I am finding this to be true in a lot of ways. Most if not all religions are of man and not of the most high. Man made rules and doctrines with a enough of what they call the truth to keep people smilling.

I am the only one who notices that every church has its own covenant. Not the one from the bible but the one made up by the church leader(s) with the same amount of truth from my first verse.

Shalom.

If 'god' is unpronouncable in old Hebrew then that man or woman is speaking in tongues to the layman or laywoman.

That means this 'god' is from their heart. Their own understanding which represent their own trials in life.

When somebody else say 'god' to you or me, is it the same 'god' that we see.

History dictate it does not.

"God" is capitalized due to English influences of giving titles to everything they deem significant. In the greek form there was not capitals. "God" (biblical) was the same as Hellenistic "god" to many of them. That is from their heart the meaning of their 'god'. But as you are demonstrating it not the same.

That is where I am getting too.

Religion is just a way of life. "god" is there as in everywhere because god is in our hearts. Religion as you state was just to place significance to something we usually dont understand.

That is why there are different denominations in the church for those who worship Jesus Christ. They just see this Jesus Christ differently.

I still dont think Christianity Islam or Hebrewism is causing the major divide. These worships do not take up most of the day where they are practice. Things like work, family, societal structure (much emphasis here) and such causes disunity because those burdens destroy religious teachings (for such things as love etc) in the first place. Adding religion as judgement to it, just increase the weight of the divide.

Which not only break backs, but hearts and spirits.

I still dont think Christianity Islam or Hebrewism is causing the major divide. These worships do not take up most of the day where they are practice. Things like work, family, societal structure (much emphasis here) and such causes disunity because those burdens destroy religious teachings (for such things as love etc) in the first place. Adding religion as judgement to it, just increase the weight of the divide.

Which not only break backs, but hearts and spirits.


Good point.

The system (babylon)is a religion unto itself along with science but thats just/predominately the west for the most part. In other countries they live by their religion, the Muslems for example live by their Koran so its incorporated in their way of life including work, same with the Jewish. In the west theres the thinking that Jesus died for their sins so they're allowed to do as they please breaking backs as you mentioned.

Religion and the idea of Nationalityare still the main dividers in my opinion.

What is new? Religio(n) by it's etymologic definition is supernatural/spiritual constraint, notice in this forum spiritual comes before religion? As a Nelly Furtado says, "No Hay Equal"! There is no equivocation between the two. The various gods of religion are idols, false. There is indeed One True God of the spirit world and all branches whichspring from itthough!

Deaf, who said"'god' is unpronouncable in old Hebrew"?

White snake (Sh-em in a tu-tu), you know what is funny? How can a godless one like you be a spiritual teacher? Where could you possibly lead anyone who is intuitive? When intuition provides the very reason I call you, white snake. Your sly serpentine eyes which lack melanin only permits you see a foot or two ahead of you. You say there is no God and you point to a path which has no destination at all because it is a cliff! You say, "This is the way to go!" All those with blessed eyes to already see the end of the path which you point out and know that it is a cliff! No bridge, no passage way, just a naked cliff! White snake, no one with a mind of their own trust snakes colorful, colorless or otherwise! Yet you still point to cliff, that we all see clearer than you, but yet you and your snake buddies still say it is the way, it tickles my tummy with laugher; when could a fool who is by nature godless become a teacher of truth? Never.

By the way, how goes your quest for godhood goeth? Right aroundthe scope of a year.....I see your application is still pending....actually, it wasnever acceptedbecause you could never assume a position that was never ment for you to have. I chuckle with warm laughter inside that not only does YHWH not claim you, Satan doesn't either! You're a liability (a debt)than an asset to either side! You're already written as a failure in your quest for godhood in the etheric records. Little do you realize, your ego-consciousness and haughtiness will always place you in a realm of dominationby zero-worthnothings like me, not even worth three quarters and six dimes in relation to your aspiring godhood. Where is your spiritual growth? Where are the Divine characteristics which you want to have you do not reflect from the Divine macrocosm? Some rival to God (YHWH)you are, when you cannot match even 1/700000000th of his perfection, his wisdom, and Divine truth.

Woah HLF man... I think Shemsi posts in theory as in he dosen't nessarily think that we don't need God or that there isn't God in religionhe justraises the question.Taking note of his contribution to the forum in general I don't think hes a european or a heathen for that matter... at leastin definition.

Allow arguing over a topic.

Nice theory but the word for G-d in hebrew is not pronounced unless in unles subsettings where thejews are paying homage toHim. The word for God had no vowels because they like to keeptheir words for G-d sacred and out of respect. this, ironically, is probably the reason why G-d has so many names

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