When Christians are confronted with the fact that Jesus was just a man and was not God, their frequently used (weak) rebuttalis that Jesus said he was one with God. This very concept is grounded in African spirituality, particularly Kemet for the Bible, but let's ignore that fact for the sake of discussion. Here is the scripture Christians often quote:

"I and the Father are one." ~John 10:30 (NASB)

However, when the Jews pick up stones in attempt to stone him,Jesus quotes Psalms 82:6 in the subsequent verse, John 10:34.

I said, "You are gods,And all of you are sons of the Most High. ~Psalms 82:6 (NASB)

Even the words of the Christian god, Jesus, tells us that mere men are sons of God. So what often happens is Christians then disregard what Jesus said, and start referring to the words of Peter or Paul. Some would think they should be called Peterians or Paulians, but that is a different discussion. All in all, Christians then start to dismiss this Psalms 82:6 passage simply because it is in the"Old Testament", even though Jesus uses it to justify himself. However, we find that mere men areone withGod as well in the New Testament. In scripture about the sanctity of the body (I Corinthians 6:12-20), we havea passage thatgives mere men the potential to be one with God, just as Jesuspurported about himself.

But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. ~I Corinthians 6:17 (NASB)

Does this not prove, within the Bible itself, that Jesus was a mere man?...that he was claiming nothing divine about himself?...and nothinggreater than that which all men could achieve themselves?

When Christians are confronted with the fact that Jesus was just a man and was not God, their frequently used (weak) rebuttalis that Jesus said he was one with God. This very concept is grounded in African spirituality, particularly Kemet for the Bible, but let's ignore that fact for the sake of discussion. Here is the scripture Christians often quote:

"I and the Father are one." ~John 10:30 (NASB)

However, when the Jews pick up stones in attempt to stone him,Jesus quotes Psalms 82:6 in the subsequent verse, John 10:34.

I said, "You are gods,And all of you are sons of the Most High. ~Psalms 82:6 (NASB)

Even the words of the Christian god, Jesus, tells us that mere men are sons of God. So what often happens is Christians then disregard what Jesus said, and start referring to the words of Peter or Paul. Some would think they should be called Peterians or Paulians, but that is a different discussion. All in all, Christians then start to dismiss this Psalms 82:6 passage simply because it is in the"Old Testament", even though Jesus uses it to justify himself. However, we find that mere men areone withGod as well in the New Testament. In scripture about the sanctity of the body (I Corinthians 6:12-20), we havea passage thatgives mere men the potential to be one with God, just as Jesuspurported about himself.

But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. ~I Corinthians 6:17 (NASB)

Does this not prove, within the Bible itself, that Jesus was a mere man?...that he was claiming nothing divine about himself?...and nothinggreater than that which all men could achieve themselves?

What's up Thoth,

I have been saying this for a long time. My belief is that the father is creator of gods and that spiritually you can become one with the father. But I also believe that Yahshua used this to show the people that he was a man with enough faith to move mountain for real.

The christians refute this because they worship jesus and he has to be GOD because they would never worship a mere man.

I look at it like this if you tell me that a man like myself was given the power to heal the sick and feed the poor and cast out demons then the god he worship or believes in would be truly powerful........But if you told me that a god healed the sick and fed the poor and cast out demons my response would be you should expect nothing less from a being that is all powerful.

Just my take on it.

Shalom.

What's up Thoth,

I have been saying this for a long time. My belief is that the father is creator of gods and that spiritually you can become one with the father. But I also believe that Yahshua used this to show the people that he was a man with enough faith to move mountain for real.

The christians refute this because they worship jesus and he has to be GOD because they would never worship a mere man.

I look at it like this if you tell me that a man like myself was given the power to heal the sick and feed the poor and cast out demons then the god he worship or believes in would be truly powerful........But if you told me that a god healed the sick and fed the poor and cast out demons my response would be you should expect nothing less from a being that is all powerful.

Just my take on it.

Shalom.

Looks like this is a repeat of this thread/argument (also made by the same poster, no less)...

http://www.bnvillage.co.uk/view_topi...278702#p278702

...except with a different title.

ModernMarvel wrote:
Hmmmm...I forgot I even made that thread. Well, the premises in this thread are a bit different either way.

Jaziasha Wrote:
I have been saying this for a long time. My belief is that the father is creator of gods and that spiritually you can become one with the father. But I also believe that Yahshua used this to show the people that he was a man with enough faith to move mountain for real.

Jesus was much more than just a man. Notice when Jesus told the people they were god's he cleverly did told them this way "Have I not told you that you are gods". The actually writings of this scripture is in the psalms, and it was God who told them they were gods by divine inspiration he made the prophet to write this. Jesus however told them, he told them that. Jesus was then drawing on his divine authority, telling the people what "I AM" told them whom resided solely in him.

yes we are god's, but Jesus is the God of god's.

The christians refute this because they worship jesus and he has to be GOD because they would never worship a mere man.

I look at it like this if you tell me that a man like myself was given the power to heal the sick and feed the poor and cast out demons then the god he worship or believes in would be truly powerful........But if you told me that a god healed the sick and fed the poor and cast out demons my response would be you should expect nothing less from a being that is all powerful.

You need to understand who the messias was in the scheme of things as it pertained to the law and the prophets.

When John the baptist was incarcerated, he sent his disciples to find out if Jesus was the one, or should he look for another. Jesus did not simply send the disciples of john back with a simple answer "yes i am the one". He made them sit and watch all the works that he did in that day and then sent them away.

The messias came with certain signs and John would know who he was when the signs were fulfilled. Jesus simply fulfilled the signs that only the messias could and no one else.

this is the reason why I believe in going back to sources - these days it is possible to get a jewish to english study bible - I'd thoroughly recommend it

"I said, "you are angelic, sons of the Most High are you all"

Sometimes these phrases are lost in translation.

If everyone can be Jesus why aren't you?

Even the Jews and muslims agree that he was at least a prophet, not an ordinary man.



Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:

in actual fact not all christians believe in worshiping Jesus / Yeshua. Some of them believe that his life is the sacrifice for their sins - representing that sacrifices that were brought to G-d for forgiveness of sins but also breaking the yoke of past deep sins, and an eternity spent in hell.

jaziasha wrote: