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thats not what he is trying to say,,
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In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

Salaam (Peace) to all.

NOWHERE in the Holy Qur'an is "killing non-muslims" ...BECAUSE they are non-muslims... condoned.

The Primary rule in Islam is to respect ALL life, and to kill NO ONE except as Allah directs in the Holy Qur'an. The Holy Qur'an is so far from condoning indiscriminant killing of "non-muslims" that it clearly states that war is not even to be waged against a known hostile enemy except in SELF-DEFENSE. Once, attacked, however, the Muslims are commanded to fight back.

Consider the following:

2:190 And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors.
191 And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it; so if they fight you (in it), slay them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
192 But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
193 And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is only for Allah. But if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
194 The sacred month for the sacred month, and retaliation (is allowed) in sacred things. Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and keep your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty.


4:89 They long that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved so that you might be on the same level; so take not from among them friends until they flee (their homes) in Allah's way. Then if they turn back (to hostility), then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take no friend nor helper from among them,
90 Except those who join a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and fight you not and offer you peace, then Allah allows you no way against them.
91 You will find others who desire to be secure from you and secure from their own people. Whenever they are made to return to hostility, they are plunged into it. So if they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them. And against these We have given you a clear authority.


4:94 O you who believe, when you go forth (to fight) in Allah's way, make investigation, and say not to any one who offers you salutation, You are not a believer, seeking the good of this worlds life. But with Allah there are abundant gains. You too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; so make investigation. Surely Allah is ever Aware of what you do.

5:32 For this reason We prescribed for the Children of Israel that whoever kills a person, unless it be for man-slaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he had killed all men. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved the lives of all men. And certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them commit excesses in the land.

6:152 Say: Come I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you: Associate naught with Him and do good to parents and slay not your children for (fear of) poverty -- We provide for you and for them -- and draw not nigh to indecencies, open or secret, and kill not the soul which Allah has made sacred except in the course of justice. This He enjoins upon you that you may understand.

17:33 And kill not the soul which Allah has forbidden except for a just cause. And whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority -- but let him not exceed the limit in slaying. Surely he will be helped.

49:6 O you who believe, if an unrighteous man brings you news, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you did.
From these verses, and others, it is then impossible for a RATIONAL Mind to conclude that "killing of non-muslims is legitimate and justified" simply BECAUSE they are "non-muslims".

I might add that it is just as "evil" to kill the "reputation" of a person or people through the use of slander and libel, using half-truths, lies and innuendo to promote a position which is more "personal" than "truthful".

Anyone who says or suggests that killing of non-muslims is "justified or legitimate" does not follow the Qur'an and does not understand the Qur'an, for the Qur'an condones no such thing.

There are approximately 1 Billion Muslims in the world...all following the Same Book - The Holy Qur'an. If indiscriminant "killing of non-muslims" was considered "legitimateand justified" in the Holy Qur'an, then there would certainly be a WHOLE LOT MORE KILLING going on.

All we have to do is ...Do the Math.

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Nowhere in the threadstarter or the clip actually talks about the Qu'ran.

The problem in the UK is that some muslims goto P*kistan or Saudi to study the Qu'ran, the type of Islam these individuals bring back is Wahabism/Salafism,
this is heavily funded by the Saudis just as Evangelicalism is heavily funded in the US.

Essentiallyit is to practise what they practised back in the day. This is where the problem lies with some muslims, to confuse what was needed to practise Islam back then as if they are in the same struggle today. Muslims today haven't gone through anything close to what muslims 13/1400yrs ago went through, but if a comment is made about Arabic traditional wear or Arabic cultural practises within Islam... some muslims will see this as an attack on them just like back in the day of Muhammed. Basically alligning themselves to a version of Wahabism. UK muslims are more vocal/radical then their european/american counterparts.

Personally I wish Sufism was the dominate form of Islam to be promoted, I don't think Islam would be under scrutiny had this occured, the person in the videoclip wouldn't be talking like that had he been exposed to some form of moderation like Sufism.


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