Do you really think people are save just by going to church on Saturday. Saying that they are keeping Sabbaths. I have a surprise for you. I challenge you to read this article through and prove your standing.



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Dear readers. Please read the article in question and do not pay to much attention to the commentators. Their comments will only side tract you from reading the article.

I keep Sabbaths, no one is saved by keeping Sabbaths _alone_. By providing factual evidence,can you point out a particular church that has this doctrine, because I am not aware of one.

Here is proof that the Sabbath is binding on Christians, these are Yeshua's words:

[17] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [18] I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. [19] Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 )

Not one of God's laws concerning obedience will pass away until heaven and earth do, this is much more than being about the Sabbath commandment. If you break the Sabbath commandment and teach others to do so, it is Yeshua's judgement and his right to declare it, that you will be least in the kingdom of heaven. Keeping the Sabbath is not about justifiaction by works, but rather obedience by following the example of Yeshua, Paul etc...

If you read Daniel 7:25 you will see how one principality wants to change the set laws and times of religious observance, could that be none other than the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem, and the latter manifestation of their power being the Roman Catholic Chrurch who tried to change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Read Isaiah 66:22-24, in heaven "the new heavens and the new earth" we will keep Sabbaths, so why a moratorium on the observance of those now? This certainly isn't what Yeshua preached or practiced is it?

The petty arguments that go on about the Sabbath/Sunday divide in Christianity are abscuring the basic facts of scripture, obedience to God is always commended. If you want to make a religion out of disobedience to God, I see that as a pointless task. All that is happening is that Satan is seeking to divide Christians on the subject, and this is stupid because Yeshua's teaching and example are clear on the subject.

Peace to all,
Anthony.

The fact that they can get to church is enough cause nowadays lots of christian services have church every week.

Romans 10:4 (NASB-U) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Romans 10:4 (Living) They don't understand that Christ gives to those who trust in him everything they are trying to get by keeping his laws. He ends all of that.



Galatians 4:10-11 (NASB-U)You observe days and months and seasons and years. [11] I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

Galatians 4:10-11 (Living) You are trying to find favor with God by what you do or don't do on certain days or months or seasons or years. [11] I fear for you. I am afraid that all my hard work for you was worth nothing.

Christ is the end of the law.

I did not read the entire article in that link all i read was something about the saturday sabbath not being required of christians. well i am not a christian never have been and never will be. but i am not surprised that a christain person ( i am assuming you are christian) would post that. I am a Hebrew Isrealite, and yes i do acknowledge my sabbath as being on saturday, just as i acknowledge many other things that christians do not. But christian doctrine is in many ways backwards, and it is crazy to me how the Holy Scritpures has been taken and twisted to confirm to someone's "religion". The Holy Scriptures was written to, for, and about Isreal. (and no iam not talking about isrealis, please don't confuse the people of the scriptures with them, the imposters) but the original israelites are the nation of people the Holy Scriputres (bible) is talking about and no one else. The fact of the matter is that if christians read their bible so much as they claim they do, how can they teach some of the things they are teaching? including christianity, and jesus. Yes i do believe in Yahshuah the true Messiah not the christian jesus, there is a difference. But i am not the one to debate GOD with anyone because that is not a debatable subject with me, and people are entitled to their own beliefs. Well if there are any HebrewIsrealites on the message boards, iwould like to say Shabbat Shalom to all of you. And to everyone else have a nice and peaceful day : )

Yes, the classic Christian misinterpretation of scriptures that makes one scripture contradict another. Can Paul overrule what Yeshua says (Matt 5:17-20 )? Can Paul contradict himself?

[31] Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. (Romans 3:31 )

Dr James wrote:

Romans 10:4 (NASB-U) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Romans 10:4 (Living) They don't understand that Christ gives to those who trust in him everything they are trying to get by keeping his laws. He ends all of that.

The context of these statements is important, Paul is talking about the Pharasees traditions "but their zeal is not based on knowledge" v2and justification by works, he is not talking about obedience to God's commandments, how could he be when it is clear from scripture that Paul kept sabbaths and even the feast of unleavened bread?

[1] Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. [2] This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. [3] This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, [4] for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. [5] Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. (1 John 5:1-5 )

Note Revelation 14:12 and 12:17.

[5] Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. [6] The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; [7] the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. [8] Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. (Romans 8:5-8 )

This scripture clearly states that those who are under THE CONTROL OF THE SPIRIT, WILL SUBMIT TO GOD'S LAW, this shows it is God's work in us, because we are under THE CONTROL OF THE SPIRIT, rather than it being our own effort, in our own flesh, to attain justification by works. How could we submit to God's law if it has been ended? How could we uphold the law if faith nullifies it. Don't you see that your reading of the text is superficial?

Dr James wrote:

Galatians 4:10-11 (NASB-U)You observe days and months and seasons and years. [11] I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

Galatians 4:10-11 (Living) You are trying to find favor with God by what you do or don't do on certain days or months or seasons or years. [11] I fear for you. I am afraid that all my hard work for you was worth nothing.

Again you have not quoted the scripture in context, Paul is writing to the Galatians, agroup of formerly pagan people turning to Christianity.

Paul is NOT talking about celebrating God's feasts, if he were he would be a hypocrite for he also did this, in 1 Cor 5:8 Paul teaches "let us keep the festival..." refering to passover, in Acts 20 Paul keeps unleavened bread too.

v8 the plural "GODS" clearly shows the Galatians were pagans. Isreal's God is one note Mark 12:21.

v9 seeing as this the Galatians were previously pagans how can "turn again" be refering to God's law? THEY WERE PAGANS THEY NEVER HAD THE LAW THEREFORE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO TURN TO IT >>AGAIN<< Paul is refering to the formerly pagan Galatians returning to their old patterns of pagan worship i.e. Sunday assosciated with the "Sun god".

Yeshua is the end of salvation by works, not the end of obedience to God's commandments. How could you rewrite Revelation 12:17 and 14:12 to substantiate your point of view?

Peace to all,
Anthony.

The correct teaching on answer to this question is:

[5] One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. (Romans 14:5 )

One can not be saved just by keeping Sabbath OR Sunday alone, that is just a flamebait question. Anyone with any real knowledge of Christianity knows that the religion is not just about a day of worship.

Peace to all,
Anthony.

Dr James wrote:

Hosea 2:11 (KJV)

I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

[sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts]

It is clear here that the sabbaths of Israel were to be done away with as much as her mirth, feasts, new moons, and other rituals. This is what happened when God made the new covenant: not a single commandment was given regarding the keeping of any particular day as the sabbath. It is plainly set forth in the N.T. that every man may do as he pleases regarding a sabbath day (Romans 14:5-6), and that no man is to judge another on this question (Col. 2:14-17), for Christianity is not a religion of days, weeks, years, and rituals (Galatians 4:9-10).

Ants. it is law and grace, you can run along with your law. I will go along with grace.

Dr James, why don't you try putting the scripture in context for once? Hosea was written in the 8th Century BC. Hosea wrote at a time when the Northern Kingdom went through 6 kings in 25 years, and ended being plundered by Assyria. The prophecy you quoted (Hosea 2:11) was history by the time Yeshua came on the scene, and he DID keep Sabbaths and all of the feasts outlined in the law. This proves the point that you miss in chapter 14 which ends with a message of reconcilliation and new hope, ironically this is how it ends:

[9] Who is wise? He will realize these things.
Who is discerning? He will understand them.
The ways of the LORD are right;
the righteous walk in them,
but the rebellious stumble in them. (Hosea 14:9 )

Once again your superficial analysys wrests the scripture from its context (2 Peter 3:16/17) in order to support your point of view, which unfortunately doesn't allow the bible to read as a coherent, consistentand uncontradictory document. As for your statement:

Ants. it is law and grace, you can run along with your law. I will go along with grace.

I agree it is law and grace, nowhere have I said it is all law. However it is certain posters on this thread who are basically calling Yehsua a liar (Isaiah 53:9)by implying that the words he said are not true (Matt 5:17-20 - didn't you say the law is ended implying we are not to keep Sabbaths?), that his example is not to be followed (Luke 4:16 ), and that the example of the apostles and early Christians (mentioned in Acts, whereJews and Greeks met on Sabbaths) is to be ignored. As I said in my last post to you in relation to my quoting of Romans 8, this time I emphasise my point:

This scripture clearly states that those who are under THE CONTROL OF THE SPIRIT, WILL SUBMIT TO GOD'S LAW, this shows it is God's work in us, because we are UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SPIRIT, rather than it being our own effort, in our own flesh, to attain justification by works. How could we submit to God's law if it has been ended? How could we uphold the law if faith nullifies it. Don't you see that your reading of the text is superficial?

Isn't grace God's work in us? Why would you despise what God has done for another person?

Peace to all,
Anthony.

Ants!

I would like to know what part of the donkey’s tail you eat that blind your eyes and dull your senses? You were ask to give proof, you did not.

Galatians 4:21 (Living Bible)
Listen to me, you friends who think you have to obey the Jewish laws to be saved: Why don't you find out what those laws really mean?