Jay - I’m having a hard time trying to figure out if you're arguing religion, greed, politics or history - you kind of have everything mixed in.

On the History front: Actually the place that Abraham came from was VERY advanced, it’s real name was Sumer, later known as Babylonia – experts disagree as to which was man’s first civilization – Sumer or Egypt.

Abraham’s presence there was as a result of (Mar.tu/Amorite/Habiru/Hebrew) immigration as a result of one of their Kings (Hammurabi), having taken control of the Empire. After the fall of Hammurabi’s dynasty, it’s reasonable to assume that some of the Amorites might have felt unwelcome. It’s interesting to note that Abraham first went back home to Amorite territory (Harran), before moving on to Egypt.

Your point on Akhenaten being the world’s first monotheist is very perceptive, I happen to agree with it, it is well known that Hebrews accepted Egyptian religion, it is not a stretch to believe that they would adapt an Egyptian concept. There is also a train of thought that says: In Hebrew myth, the god that promised them the land of Israel, was in fact the Pharaoh Ahmose I, as part of the deal that he brokered with them to get them to give up their fortress “Avarice” and leave Egypt. (Egyptian Kings were deified and considered Gods). Since Egypt ruled those lands, it was within his power to give land to the Hyksos/Hebrews.


But; I would suggest caution on your judgment of the Hebrew religion: Because you are judging it by it’s off-shoots: namely Christianity, and the religion of the Khazars (please don’t call it Judaism), and Islam. Each of these original Black religious concepts was re-written by White people i.e. The Romans re-wrote Christianity, The Turkish Khazars (you know them as Jews – White Hebrews, what a concept!), re-wrote the Hebrew religion, The Ottoman Turks re-wrote Islam. Funny how Turks keep showing up.

At this point in time: It is impossible to judge the true merits of Hebrew religious thought, because there is no documentation. Whatever they had written down was destroyed by the Romans, so as not to conflict with what they - the Romans - were writing (or re-writing). It’s assumed that’s why the Dead Sea Scrolls were so well hidden – the Romans were burning all Hebrew writings. Consequently that’s why there are no Hebrew writings existent today – except the Dead Sea Scrolls. (The Hebrew’s were very literate, so there was a LOT of burning going on!).

Hopefully one day - don’t laugh - Black people will demand return of their intellectual property (the Scrolls), and then we’ll know if there really was anything of value in Hebrew religious thought. (Though they say that the Scrolls are mostly of a non-religious nature). Of course those of us with half a brain, already know what liars White people are about this kind of stuff: So perhaps that’s just another White lie – pardon the pun.

Of all the worlds’ great religions, only one – Hinduism - has an element of original White religious thought. One of the tenets of Hinduism – the Caste system – was designed to codify segregation of (pure) Blacks. To the credit of India’s Blacks, they objected, and created new religions, i.e. Buddhism, Jainism etc. Judging by the social-religious condition of India, maybe Hinduism wasn’t such a great idea.

I have always looked down my nose at indigenous Americans (Indians), because they are the worlds most devout followers of the religion of their conquers and destroyers - Christianity. Then I look around at Black people, they are also devout followers of their destroyers religion – Turkish Islam and Roman Christianity – funny how that works.

If they weren't/aren't ''evil'' then why are they working for everyone except us?

Both them and the Greeks took what they could and have run with it. Their systems are nothing but stolen goods and ways taken from those times. It beggers belief that these people and others can all out steal concepts and get away with it as they are... why hasn't God smited them already?

How can you pray to another mans Gods and disrecspect/all out hate the people you stole it from!? Can picture the Masons bowing before some egyptian diety and using the knowledge to further exploit us. The Brahim Barb-aryan ''hindus'' praying before some Hindu statue while exploiting the very people who bowed to it for thousands of years before being attacked and all out abused.

So if the Gods of the Ancient times were Black and we're going through what we are now, what/who does that make them? I mean if you hate Adam and Eve and exploit their children near enough commiting genocide who does that make you the personification of?

@ JayJay; Chill bro, check the commas around ''evil''. I'm being a bit of a heretic. lol

I have everything mixed in simply because there is no difference between religion, greed, politics and history, they are one and the same, if people want to look them at as separates that good.....but they are still intertwined. It all depends how you look at things to give an example.......everyone should be familiar that back in history the pope declared the earth was flat, these people were not stupid, they were highly educated, to say the earth is flat is nothing more than the use of fear to stop people traveling west. It was a political move which involved greed.

Regarding Ur/Sumer, I mentioned the place was new geologically speaking, the Sumer civilization sprang up all of a sudden, because the area couldn't support civilizations with enough water beforehand anyway, track back Abrahams genealogy and how long each generation lived and it doesn't add up in a period that is fully documented by scribes from all around the region. I'm sure what you say about the Hammurabi’s dynasty and the Amorite territory is true, but this is pure speculation when it comes to Abraham,

Abraham stopped the Hebrews worshiping the golden calf, it all to do with the stars and the precession of the equinoxes ---->Astrological ages.

The Age of Taurus (BULL)
The Age of Aries (RAM)
The Age of Pisces (FISH)
The Age of Aquarius (water bearer)

The Hebrews worshiped of the golden BULL, Abraham was known as AbRAM in the Bible, he stopped them from worshiping the bull, the BULL ---> the RAM, Everybody body knows Jesus is synonymous with the FISH. the BULL --> the RAM --> the FISH

Did Abraham physically exist... NO, are the 3 semitic religions based on Abraham....YES, Are the Egyptians evil....NO, Was there a sympathetic exodus......NO, Was there a tyrannical expulsion....YES, Is the Torah, Bible and Qu'ran actual true history....NO, Has history been changed....YES.

Everything about the Ancient Egyptians in the 3 books were to do with MAN. .

I'm not saying everything is rubbish, history is just not what most people think it is, I also feel in times to come MANY will have to make a big readjustment just like what is said about the so called Hebrews worshiping the golden calf. And if true history is anything to go by, people who are unawares will be made to make that adjustment whether they like it or not. If they in control of the priest class have to give you a story to follow you can be assured you will get the story to make you follow what they say.

Jay, some of what follows may sound like criticism, but it’s not really, it’s intended to be constructive.

One thing I noticed right off is that you are quoting the Bible and Astrology: you should note that the Bible is a religious document NOT a historical document, it’s purpose is to provide evidences to support a particular religious belief, since different people have different beliefs, there are different evidences provided, however some will borrow parts of another’s myths – the Christian creation myth as well as the story of Noah were borrowed from the Sumerians. But one thing that they all have in common is the claim that theirs is the one and only truth.

But your use of these resources suggests that you are falling into the typical Black trait of seeking mystical answers to life and existence. This trait is very old, (religion is a Black creation), however the ancients used it as a platform to pursue real life solutions and knowledge. Modern Blacks have tended to use it as a crutch to replace thinking and the work necessary to purse knowledge.

One especially irksome trait today is the tendency to simply make-up mystical shit to explain history and even everyday life. It must just be too much trouble to actually try to learn something. Then they have the nerve to ask God why he put the White man over them, and their lives so hard. Luckily if there is a God, he is kind and compassionate, otherwise I’m sure, he would have already planted his foot up their Asses.


You wrote: the Sumer civilization sprang up all of a sudden, because the area couldn't support civilizations with enough water.

That’s partially right: If you study it, you will find something very interesting. ALL of the world’s original civilizations started out in river valleys. In order for them to maintain themselves and expand, they had to find new ways to do everything. This led to cooperative irrigation canals and other waterworks, building programs etc. Then finally to specialized work, such as scribing, carpentry, masonry, artistry etc. All of these advances were made possible because these people had to work cooperatively and share new knowledge. Some theorize that’s why Sub-Saharan Blacks did not advance; their environment was “Too” bountiful; there was no need to find new and better ways to survive.

You wrote: I'm not saying everything is rubbish; history is just not what most people think it is.

Right you are, there is nothing mystical or esoteric about it, just ordinary Black people doing the best that they could. And over time, they produced civilizations that are still a wonder today.

The only mistake I done in my above post was to say Abraham stopped the worship of the Golden calf instead of Moses, I am thankful you was not petty to hang on this and ignore all the rest I brought up.... I'm being serious.

The other thing you are partly right is that I do put the Bible and Astronomy together, not Astrology..... Astronomy. Astrology is mickey mouse horoscopes, Astronomy is sacred (meaning eternal) and is the scientific study of stars or the heavens, So if mention this I'm not belittling it.

Another thing is you've got me wrong on the Blacks created religion thing, let me tell you what most people don't want to hear, the ancient Egyptians most likely got there knowledge from the Druids, the same like the peoples in the Americas..they got it from the feathered white serpent (Druid) this I not what people wants to hear. Although I can see where you might think that I am pro Africans created religion thing, this might be because of the stance I take with the native Princes of Egypt booting out the Hyksos dynasty,

The Hyksos are the Israelites, they intern are Canaanites, then Phoenician, then onto Charlemagne who setup the holy roman church... do some homework, who sits on the throne of David today? it's not the pope, do some homework, the Israelites are not what people think they are, they are NOT Jews, they re NOT Africans, They are NOT HOLY.

So I say to people many times, forget the old testament stick with the new testament, because it is about a book of kingship who gave themselves a contract to rule the kingdom on EARTH. Think of it like this....with who?

The Egyptians were getting rid of rubbish ----> Israelites

Jay; sorry I wasted your time, though you were a student of history. Unfortunately I have no knowledge or interest in your true concern.

My whole point is this......

People will mention and comment on the Egyptians being evil on nothing more than speculation yet at the same turn a blind eye to what has and what is actually happening.

People forget all about how Christianity was first spread.....read the book of the Maccabees, the Catholic Inquisitions, all of this is pure SADISM, instead people don't take any responsibility and say that they're not Catholic so it' does not count, yet read the very same book the Catholic Church gave to them. ???? Historically they said not to study Astrology it is evil, yet the book is filled with it. When it comes to Islam people forget about all cutting of throats and showing the severed heads to the tv cameras and the SADISTIC real time spread of Islam throughout Africa. Historically Islam has a dim view on magic. They got rid of all the 360 idols surrounding the Kaba to worship only ONE, yet when you look at the Kaba (black cube) it has a circle around it???? circle=360 nothing has changed and sure looks like a mega ritual to me. Christianity, Judaism and Islam have all shown traits of PURE SADISM and are all hypocrites, yet people will glaze over any of this and say "The Egyptians were evil"

off topic for all:

Another excuse I hear is that they never followed Gods will, that was their downfall, this is a default cop out answer, where was Yahweh during the Jewish holocaust? did you know the word holocaust actually means "burnt sacrificial offering" and who likes "burnt offerings" in the Old testament? what on Earth would possess Jews to call it a holocaust????

Regarding my earlier posts about kings, greed and politics of man which I know these religions has been hijacked and structured around.....a wise person said to me the queen is not going anywhere when I was talking about the monarchy being nonsense, he then put a book called "The Royal Arch Chapter" in my hands, told me it was because of this the queen isn't going anywhere and that they stole it. So I ask people... what was Moses' so called covenant and what did the queen say during her coronation? you will find that they are very similar. The covenant is nothing more than man to rule over people, go back and look in the Bible. And if people really paid attention to what has been happening in the world over the past 1600yrs it starts to make sense.

People want to stay asleep, yet the Egyptians were evil?

It is through the Asar drama that we are able to understand the principle philosophy of ancient Kmt. It is through the cultivation of the Divine Will, the higher spiritual faculty within man, known as 'Heru' that 'Set' also known as Satan, that Evil was defeated.

For it is the qualities attributed to 'Set' modern day Satan Evil is associated with. It was the responsibility of the King and his ministers to ensure that Set could not infultrate and destroy his people.

Therefore based on this peremise alone would indicate that Ancient Kmt was far from Evil especial as this same story is found within major religions today.

The Egyptians were not evil, they were very very and highly religious.
They were God's original chosen people so i have been told but they fell from grace as they insisted on idol worship and other stuff that was not pleasing to the Lord. i am sure Moses is Egyptian and so may have been one of the 3 wise men that came to see Jesus when He was born.

Egypt is not completely lost. i am sure they are one of the lost tribes.
Israel is meant to stand for holiness etc but it is written the israelites will return to jerusalem but as sinners which explains the current situation in the holy lands now.

egyptians are not evil