Proving God Exists...from an African Spiritual Perspective... - Page 2

Agu Bu Oji · (#26 (**permalink**))

According to the Genographic survey: Ancient man crossed over from southeast Africa into southern Arabia, went across, then crossed into the Indus Valley area.

My Geneography test showed my ancestors were of this line. From Africa into the Middle East, one goes toward turkey and the other streaches off into India 40,000 years ago before dissapearing altogether. My dad and others from his side havepointy noses which has left me wondering if its from the Maafa or inherant from the Arabs or maybe some of us have always had pointy noses, a 'mutation' just as the Dravidans have straight hair.

Didn't the Minoans and others from around Greece have pointy noses? Or would you attribute that to being from their mixing with Caucasiods?

Does that mean that the original Black man had straight hair?

Australopithecus confused3

Its all a bit off topic though, another thread would be good.

Jim999 · (#27 (**permalink**))

My Geneography test showed my ancestors were of this line. From Africa into the Middle East, one goes toward turkey and the other stretches off into India 40,000 years ago before disappearing altogether.

Thatâ€™s the second eastward migration, quite different from the first, which were the Australians. Realhistoryww suggests that this second line continued to China and Japan, and then crossed the Bering straits into America as the Olmec.
But you are talking about two lines; did you do your Matrilineal also? Your Y sounds like E (m96) with the YAP.

Didn't the Minoans and others from around Greece have pointy noses? Or would you attribute that to being from their mixing with Caucasiods?

No, if you look at the oldest ones, they have typical Black noses, the Etruscans too â€“ by that I donâ€™t mean flat-broad noses â€“ Blacks have the full range of noses â€“ but Iâ€™ve never seen â€œhookedâ€? noses.

Ankhor Man · (#28 (**permalink**))

Agu Bu Oji · (#29 (**permalink**))

My line splits when it reaches Saudi Arabia, one goes into Turkey, the other off shoots into the Indus where it stops 40,000 years ago. It was a bit dissappointing.

My momz is very much African featured and is more than likely West African minus the blood of a spanish man that raped my grandmas grandma before she was stabbed to death as she slept. Quite proud that my mom is proper African looking. lol. But no I haven't done a matriatrchial test yet its expencive.

This is off topic, will be happy to talk in another thread asI have the migration route and marker information. The italians are well known for having crow like noses, guessing you don't mean nordic type pointy but literally hooked like the coins depicting Alexander and others.

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MuslimTruthRevealed · (#30 (**permalink**))

People!!!...your stuck on words....without understanding its etymology in factual history

EGYPT has NOTHING to do with Nubia or Kemet for that matter!!!

'Egypt' is a derived term, denoting oppression and domination within the boundaries of Upper and Lower Nubia, which Narmer and those BEFORE him (100,000 BEFORE) united under a common social and political agenda...."survival of the on coming onslaught from the North"

Caucasians, Greeks, Assyrians, Mamelukes, Hykso's, Persians and others, who eventually INVADED Nubia and Kemet overthrew its social and political structure, thus came into existence 'Egypt' and during their respective reigns they are referred to as "Egyptians"

the chronology is very simple (again)....Nubia....Kemet....then Egypt

and of course we have 100,000's of history even BEFORE Nubia i.e. Ta Seti and BEFORE that in West Africa(?)

Lets do some real research people without emotional sentiment and bias, its 2007 NOT 1907 with references to outdated material and information.

Assalaam Alaikum

MuslimTruthRevealed · (#31 (**permalink**))

jaziasha wrote:

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MuslimTruthRevealed wrote:

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jaziasha

Again you are confused about a number of things.

Nubians did NOT War with Egyptians. Yes they did.

These are the Nubian Dynasties 17[sup]th[/sup] - 19[sup]th[/sup], 26[sup]th[/sup],27[sup]th[/sup]. 3[sup]rd[/sup] and 4[sup]th

Now I know it upsets you obviously to realize that your reference to the Creator was derived from Sun Worshippers,
[/sup]Nothing Upset me that is not who I am.

[sup]but 'It is what It is"

Your denial will NOT change that historical fact. Nor vilifying me will change the truth.

Im sorry[/sup]

And how may I add I'm I vilifying you? I asked a question that you still have not answered.

Hebrew/Jewish lexicographers added vowels to YHWH, they borrowed the vowels of the powerful Egyptian and Phoenician Sun God deities. When the vowels of the Egyptian Sun God Aten were added, YHWH became Y{A}HW{E}H

Like I said earlier this means nothing. Is the socalled powerfull Egyptian sun god the only god or name ever created that has "VOWELS"? You see you could have used the "VOWELS" of many othergods pagan or otherewise and came up with thesame thing. The use of the socalled "VOWELS" of the Egyptian sun god was used to make a corelationbetween the two totally different things when just vowels would have worked.......Please tell me you see what I am saying now.

Shalom.

No I dont see what your saying. 'Yes they did' is NOT a valid response, thus You and I are NOT on the same 'page'. Again 'denial' is of no value in a intellectual discussion.

Im sorry.

Jim999 · (#32 (**permalink**))

MTR or Muslimtruthrevealed;
Is there a point to your posts: do you ever READ responses to you posts? I responded above, but instead of addressing my response, you merely keep repeating your assertions. Please make nice by making your points in a calm way and addressing points made by those who disagree with you in the same calm thoughtful way.

HLF · (#33 (**permalink**))

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Assalaam Alaikum

With all due respect HLF, threatening people with a name reference is quite immature.

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Not one person took me up on my offer, so what is that saying? If Yahweh is just a "general name" and not the personal name of God of all things created, then why be afraid to take on the Divine throne head on? This name suppose to be another man-made name of God huh? Then why don't any of you challenge it directly and accept my trial? The proof of proofs and the discovering of true evidence FIRST HAND of who is God by name? MuslimTruthRevealed, if I do notknow what I am talking about, will you undertakethe trial I have spoken of? You have been the bravest to lie and say you are about the truth, but what does your screen name say of what truth you seek? A "religious" truth, not spiritual. Religions only provide half-truths/half-lies and not the whole truth.

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Shall we look at the how the name Yahweh was derived, then we will see If your threats actually have some semblance of validity.

Reference: (The Secret Book of John, from Marvin Meyer's The Secret Teachings Of Jesus: Four Gnostic Gospels, p.65, pub. A.D. 1986) How can any hidden book of the New Greek Testament verify a name of God that it lacks in its very pages? The name was written frequently in the original version of the OT=the Torah, not found in the New Testament.

Yahweh defined This gloomy ruler has three names: "The first name is Yaldabaoth. The second is Saklas (the fool). The third is Samael (god of the blind).

Yaldabaoth is Yahweh. He is the arrogant and delusional offspring of Sophia (aka. the Holy Spirit).

The early Israelites were actually polytheists and their other principle dieties were Baal/Baalzebub and Astaroth (who were later demonized of course).

The Ysraelites served many gods, but who was the God of their forefathers on back to Shem? Not any of the false god/idolnames you have mentioned, but YHWH.

Hebrew/Jewish lexicographers added vowels to YHWH, they borrowed the vowels of the powerful Egyptian and Phoenician Sun God deities. When the vowels of the Egyptian Sun God Aten were added, YHWH became Y{A}HW{E}H

In the Yivree (hebrew word whichfor the word"hebrew")language, vowels are not needed, only in the translation from Yivree to englishare vowels added; vowels are built into the holy language. By the way, I will ask you the same thing I have asked the last person who brought up the Aten, what has the Aten done for you lately? What have do done for the Aten?

HLF...I guess you will have to take this statement back ..."I do know one thing, that the Jews and the people of Kemet, one served and the other still servesa dark evil..."

Considering that 'Yahweh' derived its origin from Kemet/Egypt blkwonder

HLF it seems that you may have put your foot in mouth. Believe Im NOT a fan of Shemsi in any degree, but I am a supporter of truth and correct interpretation and understanding.

It seems you are "fronting". If you are a supporter of Divine truth then look back into the table of nations, you seem to know of Nimrod, son of Cush, son of Cham,yet do not speak of Shem the first born, the consecrated one of the three sons, who carried the spiritual light of truthof his forefathers.

If Mizraim knew of Yahweh far after the time of their forefather Cham, after they became the nation that they became, then Pharaoh would have confirmed this knowledge in the very least during Mosheh's request on behalf of Yahweh. Pharaohknew not of Yahweh as those beforehim. If youlook in theBook ofJasher it reads that Pharaoh looked in the bookof records of all the gods of their land and Yahweh was not to be found; they knew not Yahweh firsthand, they had forgotten.

Book of Jasher 79:43-47 --
[*]And when the king saw this thing, he ordered the book of records that related to the kings of Egypt, to be brought, and they brought the book of records, the chronicles of the kings of Egypt, in which all the idols of Egypt were inscribed, for they thought of finding therein the name of YHWH, but they found it not.

[*]And Pharaoh said to Moses and Aaron, Behold I have not found the name of your God written in this book, and his name I know not.

[*]And the counsellors and wise men answered the king, We have heard that the God of the Hebrews is a son of the wise, the son of ancient kings.

[*]And Pharaoh turned to Moses and Aaron and said to them, I know not the Lord whom you have declared, neither will I send his people.

[*]And they answered and said to the king,YHWH, God of Gods is his name, and he proclaimed his name over us from the days of our ancestors, and sent us, saying, Go to Pharaoh and say unto him, Send my people that they may serve me.
Furthermore, this is echoed in theEgyptian Texts of
The Bronzebook, the first six books of what is known of the Kolbrin (bible). Listen to this audio file and I will also quote something of importance in reference to the sons of Mizraim:

"Exodus left the Egyptians with a bankrupt theology, that was now rife with impotent and unworth gods. It was in this sobering moment that the need for the Kolbrin bible was first conceived. As a result of exodus, the Egyptians now respected the One True God of Abraham,but according to their accounts, they felt the Jews (<-error, chronologically the Ysraelites) had been saved by a lesser god that perpetually hovered over them in adark thunderouscloud witha tower flame of fire. Consequently, the intelligentsia of Egypt resolved to find the One True God of Abraham on their own. To do this they conducted an ambitious anthropologicalfield study of the nations of their world, their singular goal was to find clues in the folklore of other cultures that could lead them to the One True God of Abraham."

" A snip of the E.T.B.B. --CRT:2:12 - Behold, the Earth is filled with things of usefulness; they are prepared to your hand for a purpose, but the task is upon you to seek them out and learn their use.

CRT 2:13 - What you know to be good, seek for and it shall be found.... Above and below and all about, there is nothing beyond you reach; all with one exception, is yours to attain. You sleep there enclosed in matter in the kingdom of Illusion, while I dwell here in the freedom of Reality and Truth. It is not for Me to come down to you, but for you to reach out to Me.

Isaiah 19: 21- 22: (WEB) 21Yahweh shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know Yahweh in that day; yes, they shall worship with sacrifice and offering, and shall vow a vow to Yahweh, and shall perform it. 22Yahweh will strike Egypt, smiting and healing; and they shall return to Yahweh, and he will be entreated of them, and will heal them.

jaziasha · (#34 (**permalink**))

Jim999 wrote:

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MTR or Muslimtruthrevealed;
Is there a point to your posts: do you ever READ responses to you posts? I responded above, but instead of addressing my response, you merely keep repeating your assertions. Please make nice by making your points in a calm way and addressing points made by those who disagree with you in the same calm thoughtful way.

Thank you Jim999.

MuslimTruthRevealed wrote:i.e. Kemetian, Nubian are used synonymously with Egyptian

Is that clear now?confused3

Kemetian was MY choice of reference, I could just as well chosen Nubian or Egyptian.

But then you wrote:EGYPT has NOTHING to do with Nubia or Kemet for that matter!!!

So what are you trying to say. Egypt has nothing to do with the other or can it be used one in the same?

And what is it with this denial thing

MuslimTruthRevealed wrote:Again 'denial' is of no value in a intellectual discussion.
Norareassumptions and opinions. And you seem to be the one that is in denial. Still you have not answered any of my questions. Please do in this intellectual discussion.

Shalom.

MuslimTruthRevealed · (#35 (**permalink**))

Assalaam Alaikum

Well it seems that the majority of people on this thread are (as usual) 'personalizing' the discussion.

Personally, I reserve the right to select and choose what I deem as worthy of my response.

Yet If those who are screaming for attention would reflect 'properly' upon my responses, you would clearly see that I have responded appropriately, factually and intelligently to ALL relevant opinions as it relates to Yahweh and Egypt.

You are free to accept or reject any statement, assertion or opinion I may have proffered.

Again may I suggest please research and know the source of your information.

[Al-Anbiya' 21.18] No, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood does perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things you ascribe (to Us).

[Saba' 34.49] Say. "The Truth has arrived, and Falsehood neither creates anything new, nor restores anything."

HLF · (#36 (**permalink**))

MuslimTruthRevealed wrote:

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Assalaam Alaikum

[Al-Anbiya' 21.18] No, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood does perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things you ascribe (to Us).

[Saba' 34.49] Say. "The Truth has arrived, and Falsehood neither creates anything new, nor restores anything."

A self-fullfilling testament of prophecy on your behalf?