Originally Posted by Prince Hakeem

You gonna leave or what? Nuh mek mi tell di lawd fi bun yu fi yu bagga mowt!

Originally Posted by Precious Stone

You go right ahead, and I suppose that would help you to get a good nights sleep eh?

Originally Posted by Prince Hakeem

Nah I'd rather have some hot chocolate.

Originally Posted by Precious Stone

Adam and Eve were humans and they had free will. If they didn't had free will how could they choose what decision to make?

How could it be God's fault for making the snake etc?

I suppose then if we decide to buy a car and we decided to drive the car at 120mph and get into a serious accident, we should blame the manufacturer of the car for making the car. We didn't choose to drive at the speed we did, it was forced upon us.

I'm outta here.

Originally Posted by RasRuben

I'm sure I explained this already.

They didn't choose if God already knew what they were going to do (as christian dogma dictates) and he created them knowing what they would do, created lucifer knowing what he would do, created caucasians knowing they would rape and murder us etc.

If god knew that these things would happen (with his omnipresent all knowing self) then why did he make them. You have no choice but to act in a certain way if it is predetermined, choice becomes an illusion, free will is only existent in the minds of those who do not know that future (which in this case would be the christian masses who believe in this, maybe that's why he's so willing to forgive all of your sins).

If a there is poison in a drink and it is known you will die drinking it, those who allow (maybe they knowingly stand by and watch) you to drink it do get imprisoned, it's called criminal neglegence. Maybe we should get an arrest warrent for the christian god.

Originally Posted by Precious Stone

Then why are we all trying to map out our future when it has already been mapped out for us? Seeing that it has been predetermined, does not doing so becomes an illusion?

I'm outta here again. Cannot see any logic and it is futile staying around.

Originally Posted by Prisoner

The entire bible is folly and fallacy, burn it up! lies, lies, lies. Crazy philosophies of those Greeks & Romans & Hebrews & fcuk all. If God in Christian terms had a good heart as they say he has would he let innocent Africans have everything they own taken away from them just because they did not worship Shitesus sorry Jesus. Punished because they didn't beleive in some guy who claimed to be Gods own son.

Believe it or not God would do exactly what you've said. To whom much is given, much is required. To the African people was first given the knowledge of God. Light dwelt within that continent for thousands of years. However if despite all that light the people whom are God's people rebell constantly and do wickedly, God as a time when he will chasten his children. Africa as gone through its chasening. Read the book of Zechariah and in the end God is going to restore the remnant that is left. You speak of the carrying away of Cush, but you do not factor in our pass Glory which today the west try hard to keep from us and our children. However we dwell on that Glory without knowing what was the source of that Glory, why we had it, who gave us it ?


The religions from the west & far east are poo-poo being forced upon Africans. Religion has been no good for Africa, when religion came so did our demise, religion was DESIGNED to seperate us from oneness with our Creator in mind and soul and seperate us from his blessings but redemption shall come. Explain why Africans are always being punished &

poo-poo is what you are chatting now my friend. Did you know that Moses the Law Giver was King of the Cushite Empire at one time ? These things the West keep from the bible so you will not know who you are and truely remain as your login name, "A PRISONER"

suffering where we made to fulfil prophecies of starvation huh? idiots! And if so, show me the prophecies (Africa has no place in that damn collection of poetry & philosophies you call the bible & don't even start with that Ethiopia & Queen of Sheba stuf). Would 'God' let 'satan' reign over his Creations huh? idiots.

There is the god you have in your mind and the God that actually is. Just because he doesn't move as you expect doesn't render him from being God. You sound like a spoilt child. Typical of the age we live in though. My natural Father gave commands I never understood as a child but on reaching maturity i see the wisdom of the things he said and the moves he made. Grow up and try to understand God, he's calling you to spiritual maturity.

The notion of God - Satan, Good - Evil etc is an psychological aspect of opposites used by the western system which has worked on your minds for so long, It keeps peoples minds limited within the realms of 2 conflicting solutions of which none are credible. Even in politics look at Capitalism vs Socialism. We are not BLACK & they are not white but they used the psychology of opposites in race Black vs White. In religion as Well The west has Christianity vs Islam. This is a western way of thought which they have made the rest of the world think in and its a manipulative cognitive model.

Nothing works in my mind but what God allows me to make sense of with all my senses. Is there wickedness in the world ? what makes an adult sexually abuse a child ? is it not wickedness ? What makes a man give is kidney to keep a friend alive, is it not Love. What you actually wrote is not a western way of thought because the way of the west is to rationalize right and wrong and call it something. They call darkness light and light darkness in their justification of wrong doing

People I tell u all that muslim and christianity shite & the rest of the lot is faeces. Stop farting in our faces.

You actually debate like a Westerner. You need to learn to reason like an African

The reason why the christian God does not take responsibility is because he does not exist 'if he does exist he is a god of Folly).

Then aren't you a person who delights in folly to take time out of your day and argue about a non-existant God. You want me to tell you why you won't leave this subject alone. haha, maybe next time

When I was in Africa people where so religious, screaming halelujah and rejoicing in 'The Lord' only to come to the west to see that those who sent the missioneries have no belief in 'The Christian God' or reverance in him whatsoever. And we all know the white men wants what's best for himself, if the 'Christian God' was the truth they claim he is they would keep them to themselves or suck up to him and spend their lives 'investing' in him spiritually & mentally.

Once again, I say Folly

Originally Posted by Justavoice

Context is being lost in amongst all that is being said.

God is all knowing yes, but his creation is not all knowing due to circumstance ??

Yes God put the tree in the garden not merely just to put it there but to test man's obedience to his command. Had man had past the test he would have been ready for the next level.

Its like the very child that was mentioned earlier in the post. You tell a child not to go near a fire, because it does not know the danger of the fire or what it can do. So God warns man of the danger of disobedience, "you shall surely die". However some children have to go and touch that fire for themselves to get the message. So man touched the fire of sin and now we the offspring clearly are suffering from that touch to this very day.

Free will comes in by being given an option.
This question as been answered...

God knowing what I am going to do, before I go ahead to do it, does not take away my option. It only means he knows what I am going to do.

What you are questioning is time and eternity.

God does not dwell in time, he dwells in eternity. Everything as been done already, he's just watching us pass through time, he knows the choices we will make and at points he may intervene to steer us from traps that are set that we may come to know him, however he will not take away the option for us to live a life in sin, or live a life unto him.

So he remains all knowing, all seeing... He as the vantage point that no other as.

You speak of logic but knowledge of God does not automatically equate to throwing to the wind logic, just that God's ways are not our ways, his thoughts not our thoughts. So you have to rise to a different plane in regards to logic.