Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu 'alaykum. Come climb The High Mountain of The One And Only GOD, Allaah.

This being a new concept, even I, have never explored its possibilities. But still it seems right.

Looking back at the story of Adam [PBUH] and Eve, in Genesis chapters 1-3, I began to wonder if the sequence was wrong. It relates that Eve, was first taken out of Adam [PBUH] Genesis 2:21, after which they were misled by the Satan. However, The Noble Qur'aan declares it was Adam [PBUH] who was beguiled, but both sinned. 20:120. But Satan whispered evil to him: he said, "O Adam! shall I lead thee to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that never decays?" 20:121. In the result, they both ate of the tree, and so their nakedness appeared to them: they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from the Garden: thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allow himself to be seduced. Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation. My point here being that Eve, had not yet separated from Adam [PBUH]. But here again we must remember that Adam [PBUH] (and Eve) as mentioned in the Scriptures, represent a 'community,' and not just a male/female, Spiritual-human / 'single-couple,' if you can follow my thinking. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." So originally, we are androgynous. Agreed?


Salaam. OriginalBM

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu 'alaykum

Amanna'Billah (We believe in Allah)

The topic of 'Adam' is a an excellent reference and very insightful.

Point 1: the translation you quoted from Yusuf Ali is incorrect and refelective of the Bibilcal interpretation.

Point 2. You were correct in your understanding and supportive Genesis reference, that Adam represents a community i.e. Atom is madeup of molecules, etc., etc. which ultimately forms a Nucleus

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim Wa alaykum salaam, MuslimTruthRevealed. Well, you can post the translation of your choice for our viewing. And, let's see, Electrons form Atoms, Atoms form Molecules, hence matter, et cetera. That is my understanding, but please continue, teach on. Do Molecules form around the Nucleus? Then what?

By the way don't forget to include Adam [PBUH] [and Eve]. What think ye of my new concept.


Salaam. OriginalBM

No, people were not originally androgynous (what madness). How anyone can reach that conclusion is beyond me...

In the beginning, the Lord created nations of people. Out of those nations, you had one that was named ADAM (which means "of the earth" in Ancient Hebrew), Within that same nation (Adam) you had two individuals (Adam and Eve), who the early chapters of Genesis focus on.

Assalaam alaikum

We will walk through the arabic grammar shortly.

Actually brotha Eve/Hawa is NOT mentioned in the Quran! ONLY in the english translation.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. Salaam/Peace, ModernMarvel.

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How then would you explain the fact that Eve, was taken out of Adam [PBUH].



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And this? Mankind was "one community."

10:19. Mankind was but one nation, but differed (later). Had it not been for a word that went forth before from thy Lord, their differences would have been settled between them.

11:118. If thy Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute. Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation



Salaam. OriginalBM

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. Wa alaykum salaam, MuslimTruthRevealed.

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"We will walk through the arabic grammar shortly"

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Shukran. I am looking forward to that.



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"Actually brotha Eve/Hawa is NOT mentioned in the Quran! ONLY in the english translation."


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Shukran for that knowledge. Well, the Old Testament, mentions Eve; perhaps that didn't require repeating.



Salaam. OriginalBM

The scripture states that Eve came from Adam's "rib", meaning that Eve and Adam were from the same nation/family of people.

II Samuel 5:2 Then came all the tribes of Israel to David unto Hebron, and spake, saying, Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh.

Reply: (B)

You had different nations created in the beginning. It wasn't "one community".

Furthermore, I have no interest in what the Quran has to say on the subject. Something it did get right is in Cow 2.122.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. Salaam, ModernMarvel.


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But you have only a small portion of The Lords communications to HIS, servants. How is it then possible to understand HIS Word?



Salaam. OriginalBM

There's no conflict, but only your lack of understanding. I already stated before that Adam and Eve belonged to one nation (which was called ADAM, meaning "of the earth"). It did not mean that the nation of Adam was the only nation in existence in the beginning.

Your claim that all of mankind ascribed to one individual nation in the beginning is completely off.

Everything God's people need to know can be found in the pages of His Word, the Holy Bible. You can't pair up any other book/document with the Bible, because it already speaks for itself.

Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. Salaam, ModernMarvel.




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Well, I'm not looking for an argument. It is clear to the both of us, that Adam [PBUH], was the first community/nation. Otherwise whom else should have been the first nation/community? Now, obviously sometime later there was disagreement amongst the populace, and then separation occurred.

11:118. If thy Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute. Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation.




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Again, I'm not looking for an argument, but, All Scripture is from a single Book. In Islam, it is known as The Mother of The Book. It exists with The One GOD, Allaah, The Eternally Glorified.



Salaam. OriginalBM

[Al-Baqarah 2.30] Behold, thy Lord said to the angels. "I will create a vicegerent/ khaleefatan on earth." They said. "Wilt You place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Your praises and glorify Your holy (name)?" He said. "I know what you know not."


[Al-Baqarah 2.30] Wa-ith qala rabbuka lilmala-ikatiinnee jaAAilun fee al-ardi khaleefatan qalooatajAAalu feeha man yufsidu feeha wayasfiku alddimaawanahnu nusabbihu bihamdika wanuqaddisu lakaqala innee aAAlamu ma la taAAlam

khaleefatan with a tanween is plural and indefinite

khaleefatan means to be in succession, one who comes after or stands with someone who PRECEDES them

Humans EXISTED BEFORE any individual named 'Adam'

Adam is from the root word Adama meaning brown, human being, man, person, intelligent person, person in possession of different powers, person who is created from different substances, one who has heirs

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[Al-Baqarah 2.31] And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said. "Tell me the nature of these if you are right."


Wa `Allama 'Ādama Al-'Asmā'a Kullahā Thumma `Arađahum `Alá Al-Malā'ikati Faqāla 'Anbi'ūnī Bi'asmā'i Hā'uulā' 'In Kuntum Şādiqīna

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Thus when Allah is referring to Adam and the creation of humans Allah is NOT referring to a specific person in human history.

Allah is referring to the succession of human creation and the behaviors, personality, intellectual and spiritual development of the human creation.