Let's see....

slavery did not begin with the African continent..

arabs were the biggest merchants of flesh in the beginning of the African slave trade...

white America did try to justify slavery with Christianity...

but ironic ain't it that Christianity was the motivator of Abolutionist to fight against slavery.

The Power behind Christianity is not the white man or a white Jesus,,,,much bigger than that my friend...

try Jesus...He sitteth at the right hand of Power waiting for you to come to Him. He will grant you passage from death to life if you will Come.

Whats even more ironic is that those African Chrisitans are now leading their own astray both in the Diaspora and on the continent being biased against their own traditions and culture. Hardly lead the people valiantly from the midst of strife and poverty... more helped lead us into a second state of economic slavery. Don't even live by the bible. Thats irony alright.

Followers of a mistranslation, as far from Christ (and heaven) as you can get.

(in a bad mood but the above still holds its worth)

sorry black lion. but christianity and even phoney christians are not the reason for the woes of black America. it certainly has much to do with where and how we came out of slavery.

christianity teaches unity and care for the fellowman. blacks are vicious not only to each other but even to those who would help them. those of us who overcome financially are caught up in not wanting to help others.

no one forces drugs in our veins or lungs. opportunity is there to keep out of prison.

tell me what can a white man do to you.

Seem to have dressed myself up a bit on here... got me feeling a bit mil-I-tant.

All I'm saying is that the vast and almost complete majority of christians don't abide by the bible what so ever. You've got the old testament then along comes a mythical sun god/jesus and that's it... no more old testament forget the rules new testament time now. That's it. You guys pray to christ even though he said not to and consider him to be a god when he himself said he was a man. You're supposed to live like him, be all righteous, grow long hair, wear slippers and a white robe on sundays but you don't. Most of you drive petrol guzziling cars, wear clothes made by kids on 2p a day and eat macci ds. Hardly christ like... wouldn't find a buddahist doing all that. Not the pilgrimage type anymore it seems.

Of the three religions (western) christianity sucks the most raw eggs... not including the Ethiopian ones, their version of the bible isnt neatly edditted and mistranslated like the western King James version which is what I was saying with the whole slavery bit.

Ya get me?

black lion;

I really want to dialogue with you. please give me a chance and here me out. and give an answer to the best of your knowledge as i will you.

one thing is that you will not find me downing anyone else's religion. so what buddist do or don't do has nothing to do with me.

there are "christians" who are christian in word only. they have no relationship with Christ what so ever, a fact i made clear when i shared the saddest words in the bible "depart from Me, I never knew you" (Christ speaking to the people you speak of.

stay with me know. do you think there are any pilgrimage hindus who are doing it our of habit or peer pressure? what about other practices, are any apart of them that are not perfect?

You mention the old testament, it was the foretelling of Jesus. And it gives the history of man (Israel in particular) trying to save himself. human government (failed), the law (failed) all the despensations prior to grace failed. and you know what grace will also.

but grace ushered in a sure Way of being saved from the penalty of sin. Jesus was the sacrafice required by the law (perfect). all the piegons, doves, heifers, lambs, rams, bullocks, all the offerings were only a type of Christ. when He came and died that fullfilled the law not did away with it black lion.

the only laws that became obsolete were the laws of sacrifices and offerings. no need to anymore, what we are the offer up our bodies as a living sacrifice (our daily lives dedicated to reaching the lost as well and doing what is just, living holy and humble before God).

There is plenty in the old testament the is still in affect, do not kill, do not commit adultry, do not lie, do not sleep with they fathers wife etc. so you see people have been lied to about the bible and Christianity.

now anyone who prays to Jesus has not read the bible black lion. He does say that we are to no more pray to him (or ask him for anything) but to pray to the Father in His name. This is because He is not a prophet any more like when He came 2000 years ago, He is now in the office of Great High Priest and is seated in Heaven at the right hand of God the Father.

Here is the part that you have to have faith to accept. was He man or God. He was man because He died on the tree. He was God because He walked on the sea, healed the sick with a word, turned water into wine, gave sight to the blind, more later.

meknow, come on Bro,

White christian america still try to justify slavery with christianity as they did in the past and christianity has nothig to do with freeing the slaves, it was truth and conscious guilt.

And you said that christians don't pray to jesus.....Please they do it every day even you do it.
try Jesus...He sitteth at the right hand of Power waiting for you to come to Him. He will grant you passage from death to life if you will Come.[/quote]

Not once did you mention the father only jesus.



Here is the part that you have to have faith to accept. was He man or God. He was man because He died on the tree. He was God because He walked on the sea, healed the sick with a word, turned water into wine, gave sight to the blind, more later.

No Faith is accepting that a man did these things not a god....Did not Kepha walk on the water only to become afraid and then sink? He was only a man and if he had enough faith he could have continue his walk. Did not the twelve disciples heal the sick and have authourity over devils? Does that make them gods?

Just a few questions.

Shalom.

Its amazing how one can ascertain the source of anothers opinion; just be one small statement......


"arabs were the biggest merchants of flesh in the beginning of the African slave trade..."


MeKnow, again, with all due respect......

'Arabs'....*snickering*...sorry....excuse me....*ahem*...

Did NOT enslave...Africa or Africans...Im sorry...Chancellor Williams, Ben Jochanan and Henri Clarke....are just part of the 'conspiracy'

Sorry.....

Historically speaking Chaeldean Kings from whom the myth and story of Nimrod came from.....enslaved ANYONE, EVERYONE and EVERYTHING including Caucasians for almost 800 years!

There are accounts of Nimrod, walking down the street and If you passed in front of him, you would be beheaded on the spot!

There are those who believe that because of the atrocities committed against Caucasians and others by the Chaeldean Kings i.e. Nimrod, the experience has come full circle. Thus we were and continue to be enslaved.....as a result.....


Oh by the way, just as a 'side note'....uuh...they were Black i.e. Africans

Reference: Slavery in Babylonia by Muhammed Dandadev

so like cotten pickers you choose what parts of history you want to believe and disregard what you don't.

this reminds me of conversation i have frequently with white racists when i tell them of the richness of the black race in olden times. eerily familiar.

so like them you tell me that whites are the only people who have done any thing against nature. every problem that we have is due only to the white man.

if this is the preeminent ideology of my race then it is no wonder we are in the condition that we are in and can not get out of it. everything is the fault of others.

why would the black writers you named choose to lie against there race?

history and truth does you no good if you won't accept the good of them with the bad.

jaz:

i never said that there is not still hatred in many whites and that some still believe that we are less than men. look at jena just south of you.

i went to southern in '68. In Plaquamine parish there was Judge Leander Perez. Blacks were not allowed to ride openly in that area without being accousted. We used to do it for the fun of it. we went over into Mississippi all the time looking for trouble. I remember Bogalusa, La. Choushatta.

you and i live in the triangle of Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi three of the worst places for race relations.


you say Christianity had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. then tell me jaz what did? you say truth. truth can not break the chain off the leg iron, nor give aid and shelter to fleeing slaves at the risk of their lives. truth did not teach slaves to read at peril of death of imprisonment.

a gulity conscious does not change laws or abolish slavery. people do.

jaz check and see if you won't find that the majority of the whites who were in the abolution movement were not christians. ever hear of the quackers?

[hey i will be coming to bastrop in a week or two. why don't you come to the evangel/bastrop game in Shreveport. would love to host you and have coffee with you.

Money, Grants, Prestige, Coercion....keep people from the truth, they dont get exposed or challenged, thus losing credibility

Meknow..you lost me bro.....Im sorrry.....

All of us dont come from Kings, Queens, Scientists, Leaders, etc....

Some of us were just plain crazy, fools, idiots, killers, murderers, rapists and the like....

JUST LIKE TODAY!!!!!

:b lkeviltongue:

i am 57 years old BL, have lived in some tough places and through the end of the end of the bad times. i have seen change, i know what the condition was. i have not said one time on here or anyplace else that all white people are saints. at the same time i think it is ludicrous for those of you who are saying that the white race and not some of them are out to get us.

it simply is not true BL. on my journey to enlightenment had to learn to accept the truth in what ever flavor is came. some of it is not very flattering to us as black people, and there certainly has been a concerted effort by some whites to rewrite history.

and the same it true of the blacks who sit and bang on these keys and say that everything is the white mans fault. i heard this in the 60s. and i believed it and went out into the world believing that.

there is nothing that you named that can not be over come or circumvented in this world today, not one thing. white people can not just shoot us down or come drag us out of our homes and hang us.

the majority of the damage to our race is self inflicted today. we do it by not taking advantage of opportunities. we will never over come anything by just sitting back and calling white people names. it causes our children to loose focus. and instead of beating the man at his own game if that be an accurate statement we simply whine about past history.

the reason he is orchastrating the schemes that he is (radical whites) is because they have been exposed as frauds in their descriptions of us.

you guys will never come up out of the miry pits of clay.

what you gonna do build an army? look around you. all whites have to do is keep plenty of drugs and enough guns in the hoods we will either kill each other, end up addicted or in jail. those are things we much over come. not only will the white man use them against you but the mexicans. look at some of the biggests schemes being pulled over here. our own people, nigerians mainly. not scheming whites but vunerable blacks.

if you take what most of you are saying and condense it, you are preaching fear of whites. fear is not the way to over come.

educate and participate. this leads to liberate.