Islam - What makes true Muslim? - Page 3

MuslimTruthRevealed · (#51 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by One Zero Seven

Do you have any pictures of this Imam?

What year did he die?

Do you have a picture of the head stone?

I cannot say that there was not a man there who used the name "Fard Muhammad", but that does not mean he was the Teacher of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad.

Consider the following, from the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, in "Message to the Black Man":

If Master Fard Muhammad, as you claim, did not teach Elijah that He was God in Person, then it would stand true that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was lying when he said he was taught by God in Person, correct?

RM

Point...From a Quranic perspective the Mahdi is Essa,as and NOT Allah......

The Mahdi and Allah are NOT one and the same...thus that is NOT Al Islam that was claimed to have been taught to Elijah Muhammed by Abdullah 'Master Fard' Muhammed....

Abdullah Muhammed stated he NEVER said to Elijah Muhammed that he was Mahdi or Allah.....

I know this bursts your bubble and changes your world....but some of us no better now...those teachings died with Elijah Muhammed

One Zero Seven · (#52 (**permalink**))

With each successive failure to ANSWER THE QUESTIONS POSED, the credibility of your argument diminishes just that much more.

I will give you another opportunity...

Do you have any pictures of this Imam?

What year did he die?

Do you have a picture of the head stone?

I cannot say that there was not a man there who used the name "Fard Muhammad", but that does not mean he was the Teacher of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad.

Consider the following, from the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, in "Message to the Black Man":

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"I asked Him, 'Who are you, and what is your real name?'

He said, 'I am the One that the world has been expecting for the past 2,000 years.'

I said to Him again, 'What is your name?'

He said, 'My name is Mahdi. I am God. I came to guide you into the right path that you may be successful and see the hereafter.' "

If Master Fard Muhammad, as you claim, did not teach Elijah that He was God in Person, then it would stand true that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was lying when he said he was taught by God in Person, correct?

RM

MuslimTruthRevealed · (#53 (**permalink**))

Warith Deen Muhammad claimed that Fard had returned to the United States under the name Muhammad Abdullah and in 1976 appointed Abdullah as imam of Muhammad's Mosque #77 in Oakland, California. The November 26, 1976, issue of the NOI journal Bilalian News reports Muhammad Abdullah's first khutbah at the mosque and shows a photo. [5] W.D. Mohammad did not state that Muhammad Abdullah was Fard until after Abdullah's death in 1992, and Abdullah himself never publicly claimed to be Fard.

Wallace Fard Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Muslim Journal Published pictures and also had them for sale a few years ago of Abdullah 'Master Fard' Muhammed...with Elijah Muhammed and Warithdeen Muhammed

I will see If I can locate them......

One Zero Seven · (#54 (**permalink**))

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Warith Deen Muhammad claimed that Fard had returned to the United States under the name Muhammad Abdullah,

So, because W.D. Muhammad "claimed" such, it must be true? Did he provide any evidence of his claim? Why would he wait 16 years, after the man's death, to "claim" he was "Fard"?? Could be because he knew no one would be able to contact a dead man to search out the truth of his claim?

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...in 1976 [W.D. Muhammad] appointed Abdullah as imam of Muhammad's Mosque #77 in Oakland, California. The November 26, 1976, issue of the NOI journal Bilalian News reports Muhammad Abdullah's first khutbah at the mosque and shows a photo.

I would like to see this photo, and compare it to the one we have of Master Fard Muhammad, to see if there is any resemblance at all.

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W.D. Mohammad did not state that Muhammad Abdullah was Fard until after Abdullah's death in 1992, and Abdullah himself never publicly claimed to be Fard.

Again, why wait 16 years, after the man's death, to "claim" that the man was "Fard Muhammad"? Why not make it known before then, to make the Nation of Islam aware that their/our Saviour was in America?

Oh...and yeah...Abdullah never publicly claimed to be "Fard". So then what was the basis of W.D.'s claim?

Wallace Fard Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And almost everyone knows that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of OPINIONS, which can be readily edited by anyone, any time...hardly credible for such a discussion as this.

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The Muslim Journal Published pictures and also had them for sale a few years ago of Abdullah 'Master Fard' Muhammed...with Elijah Muhammed and Warithdeen Muhammed

I will see If I can locate them......

If he never called himself "Fard Muhammad", why do YOU call him that?

Yes, please do see if you can find the photos...

In the mean time, you have succeeded in answering one of the questions, so I will strike that one off the list.

Do you have any pictures of this Imam?

What year did he die? 1992, which would make him 115 at the time of his "death", since the year of his Birth was 1877.

Do you have a picture of the head stone?

Consider the following, from the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, in "Message to the Black Man":

Quote:

"I asked Him, 'Who are you, and what is your real name?'

He said, 'I am the One that the world has been expecting for the past 2,000 years.'

I said to Him again, 'What is your name?'

He said, 'My name is Mahdi. I am God. I came to guide you into the right path that you may be successful and see the hereafter.' "

If Master Fard Muhammad, as you claim, did not teach Elijah that He was God in Person,
then it would stand true that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was lying when he said he was taught by God in Person, correct?

RM

RESS · (#55 (**permalink**))

Manifest The Power.

Let us witness the power of the true Islam?

Let us witness the power of the true Muslim?

The Power is made manifest in righteousness.

MuslimTruthRevealed · (#56 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by One Zero Seven

So, because W.D. Muhammad "claimed" such, it must be true? Did he provide any evidence of his claim? Why would he wait 16 years, after the man's death, to "claim" he was "Fard"?? Could be because he knew no one would be able to contact a dead man to search out the truth of his claim?

I would like to see this photo, and compare it to the one we have of Master Fard Muhammad, to see if there is any resemblance at all.

Again, why wait 16 years, after the man's death, to "claim" that the man was "Fard Muhammad"? Why not make it known before then, to make the Nation of Islam aware that their/our Saviour was in America?

Oh...and yeah...Abdullah never publicly claimed to be "Fard". So then what was the basis of W.D.'s claim?

Wallace Fard Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And almost everyone knows that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of OPINIONS, which can be readily edited by anyone, any time...hardly credible for such a discussion as this.

If he never called himself "Fard Muhammad", why do YOU call him that?

Yes, please do see if you can find the photos...

In the mean time, you have succeeded in answering one of the questions, so I will strike that one off the list.

Do you have any pictures of this Imam?

What year did he die? 1992, which would make him 115 at the time of his "death", since the year of his Birth was 1877.

Do you have a picture of the head stone?

Consider the following, from the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, in "Message to the Black Man":

If Master Fard Muhammad, as you claim, did not teach Elijah that He was God in Person,
then it would stand true that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was lying when he said he was taught by God in Person, correct?

RM

You seem to have gotten so emotional that you are blind to my responses...ALL of your questions have been answered.....

Excuse me....but the pictures were taken BEFORE Elijah Muhammed or Abdullah 'Master Fard' Muhammed died!!!!!

Warith did'nt have to wait 16 years...the visual record was already known!!!

I gave you the refernces to where you can....

1. Get the Pictures of Abdullah 'Master fard' Muhammed and Elijah Muhammed - Muslim Journal Publications....go to the website.....

2. I gave you the ACTUAL address and cemetary site where Abdullah 'Master Fard' Muhammed is buried - Chapel of the Chimes in Hayward California

3. You have been informed as to Abdullah 'Master Fard' Muhammed as the Imam at Masjid Waritheen in Oakland California - Call the Masjid ask for Imam Shuaibe

Assalaam Alaikum

Mr. Muhammad · (#57 (**permalink**))

All you've done is avoid the questions. You made the claim, and provided no supporting evidence other than "hear-say".

...Wouldn't stand up in any court of law.

Case Dismissed.

RM

MuslimTruthRevealed · (#58 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Mr. Muhammad

All you've done is avoid the questions. You made the claim, and provided no supporting evidence other than "hear-say".

...Wouldn't stand up in any court of law.

Case Dismissed.

RM

Allah is the ONLY judge Im concerned with.....

Your confused again...for a statement to be considered 'hear say' It must come from a THIRD party.....

I have given you the ACTUAL sources and concrete EVIDENCE to support the TRUTH of my position....

I gave you the contact information....put it to best use and stop trippin.....

[Al-Anbiya' 21.18] No, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, FALSEHOOD DOES PERISH! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things you ascribe (to Us).

RESS · (#59 (**permalink**))

We witness abundant evidence of deception, delusion, weakness, confusion, disunity and feebleness.

Where is The Power?

abdurratln · (#60 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by One Zero Seven

Do you have any pictures of this Imam?

What year did he die?

Do you have a picture of the head stone?

I cannot say that there was not a man there who used the name "Fard Muhammad", but that does not mean he was the Teacher of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad.

Consider the following, from the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, in "Message to the Black Man":

If Master Fard Muhammad, as you claim, did not teach Elijah that He was God in Person, then it would stand true that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was lying when he said he was taught by God in Person, correct?

RM

I will not call Sheik Fard Muhammad nor Akl-Hajj Elijah Muhammad, nor Sheik Louis Farakahna nor you a liar. But, it is clear that somebody is lying because we all know that it is amjor sin to confuse the Created with the Creator. We know that Sheik Farad Muhammad, Al-Hajj Elijah Myuhammad, Sheik Louis Farakhan and you are Created beings. Therefore, by logic, we know it is impossible that any of you are the Crator Supreme. To calim otherwise is to lie. Period.

abdurratln · (#61 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by RESS

Do true Muslims sin and do unrighteous things?

I think all people make mistakes. A Muslim must cleanse himself of unrighteousness by a process called wudu before performing the Conact Prayer. (According to Quran and Sunnah: Wudu).

Does failure to comply with the "remaining four Pilaars of Islam" mean that a person is not a true Muslim and a true follower of Islam?

A Muslim must perform Jihad. Jihad is the process of Struggling to perform the Five Pillars of Islam. Islam is about Marcy. Therfore. if a person is sick and cannot perform Fasting without negative consequences, it is not trequired of him. For instance, small children are not required to perfom Fasting. Also, if a person is poor and cannot perform al-Hajj, he is not reqiured to do so. This is Mercy. But, we must all Struggle, Strive to do all Five Pillars of Islam. Praying Five time a Day is just one thing. It is often a Styruggle just to Pray. This is especially true in this corrupt and profane society. For instannce, it is ofetn a Struggle, Jihad, to get permission to Pray while at school or on the job. But, we must do it. As long as we Struggle to do it, I think we are true Muslims and we become even better Muslims by Jihad, Struggle.