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Exclamation Islam - What makes true Muslim? - 09-10-07, 02:38 PM

Islam - What makes a true Muslim?


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Assalaam Alaikum

Good question.....

A 'Muslim' is a verbal noun ..meaning its a concept of behavior and character..

Muslim submits to the creator and recognizes the source of human creation...

ALL Creation submits and is governed by the will and laws of the creator...no matter who or what you are or may think....

You are born, you live and you die...no one can change those parameters already defined within ALL human creation...

..thats what makes all creation Muslim....your existence is limited and governed by your adherance and/or submission to that innate human fact....
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Assalaam Alaikum

Good question.....

A 'Muslim' is a verbal noun ..meaning its a concept of behavior and character..

Muslim submits to the creator and recognizes the source of human creation...

ALL Creation submits and is governed by the will and laws of the creator...no matter who or what you are or may think....

You are born, you live and you die...no one can change those parameters already defined within ALL human creation...

..thats what makes all creation Muslim....your existence is limited and governed by your adherance and/or submission to that innate human fact....


Greetings.


You mean everyone is a True Muslim by nature.


You mean everyone is a True follower of Islam by nature.


Are those statements correct?


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Truth is with Allah alone....Islam is true...If one adheres to Islam as defined and perfected by the Creator...

Thus one is a 'True Muslim'....

But the majority of humans are 'Muslim' submitters to things other than the guidance of the Creator...
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Truth is with Allah alone....Islam is true...If one adheres to Islam as defined and perfected by the Creator...

Thus one is a 'True Muslim'....

But the majority of humans are 'Muslim' submitters to things other than the guidance of the Creator...



How does one adhere to Islam and be a True Muslim?




Is it possible that a Muslim can be said to have lost adhesion to Islam temporarily?




How does one know when one is submitting to Allah and not other things?




How does one ensure that one is submitting to Allah and not other things?




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Default Another Perspective... - 11-10-07, 03:00 AM

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

Salaam (Peace) to all.


In order to be a "true" Muslim, one's application of the Principles of Islam must be "true" to the current needs and natural demands of the people, in the Present.

Methods and Traditions that were suitable 1400 years ago, in the Middle East, would not be applicable in this modern time, with today's modern problems. One who attempts to solve today's problems with yesterday's understanding, is not being "true" to the Time, and is not being "true" to the Deen, although he or she may be very sincere.

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Does Truth change with the times and circumstances?


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Does Truth change with the times and circumstances?
Some "truths" change with time and circumstances, other "truths" remain constant over time.

There are things that were true "yesterday" that are not true "today". Ten years ago it was true that I was 32. That is not true today.

There are also things that were true yesterday, are true today, and will be true tomorrow. The earth that we live on rotates at the speed of 1,037.333 mph, giving us our near 24 hr. day. That was true since the planet was found in its present orbit, and will be true tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day, and the next day.

If these things are true in the world of the "seen", then they also must have equivalents in the world of the "unseen".

The one thing that we can see is constant in this life, ironicly, is change...but in what direction?

In any event, we live in the Present; and any Guidance we choose to live by should be useful in the Present Time to deal with Present Circumstances.

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maybe i don't understand what Truth is.

there is truth in nature and truth in principal.

is that correct?


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Some "truths" change with time and circumstances, other "truths" remain constant over time.

There are things that were true "yesterday" that are not true "today". Ten years ago it was true that I was 32. That is not true today.

There are also things that were true yesterday, are true today, and will be true tomorrow. The earth that we live on rotates at the speed of 1,037.333 mph, giving us our near 24 hr. day. That was true since the planet was found in its present orbit, and will be true tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day, and the next day.

If these things are true in the world of the "seen", then they also must have equivalents in the world of the "unseen".

The one thing that we can see is constant in this life, ironicly, is change...but in what direction?

In any event, we live in the Present; and any Guidance we choose to live by should be useful in the Present Time to deal with Present Circumstances.

Peace.

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You believe that it is all up to the individual to interpret what the truth is for his / her particular situation in time and space.

Correct?





You believe Islam can be whatever the individual believes Islam to be to suit that individuals lifestyle.

Correct?






You believe Muslims can make up their own minds about what is right and wrong for Muslims to do.

Correct?
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You believe that it is all up to the individual to interpret what the truth is for his / her particular situation in time and space.

Correct?

No.





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You believe Islam can be whatever the individual believes Islam to be to suit that individuals lifestyle.

Correct?
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You believe Muslims can make up their own minds about what is right and wrong for Muslims to do.

Correct?
No.
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Some "truths" change with time and circumstances, other "truths" remain constant over time.

. . . . . . . . .




Apparently, a group of people who claim themselves to be followers of Islam can do whatever they like and call themselves Muslim and say that the truth has changed and things have progressed.



Apparently, you can call yourself a follower of Islam and a Muslim and just keep changing your mind overtime about what you think is right or wrong because there is no standard interpretation of the truth.


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