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23-10-07, 04:15 AM
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23-10-07, 05:52 AM
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what worries me eric is where you say Elijah Muhammed's organization. is not this blasphemy?
The need to appear correct becomes more important than the truth....JJRousseau]
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23-10-07, 11:20 AM
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what worries me eric is where you say Elijah Muhammed's organization. is not this blasphemy?
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As Salaam Alaikum
No. And what worries me is when you say "eric" instead of Minister Eric or at least "Brother Eric" if you are Black. That is indeed blasphemy.
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23-10-07, 12:22 PM
your name is eric.
you assume the title of master.
but you are not my master eric.
i have one master, Jesus Christ.
The need to appear correct becomes more important than the truth....JJRousseau]
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23-10-07, 04:43 PM
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your name is eric.
you assume the title of master.
but you are not my master eric.
i have one master, Jesus Christ.
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As Salaam Alaikum
These are the words your bible says Jesus always greeted his disciples with. He didn't speak english. That language didn't exist then. So, if the bible says he greeted by saying "peace be unto you," and he spoke Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew, what were the words he actually said? As Salaam Aklaikum in Arabic, As Salaamu Alaikum in Aramaic, and As Shalom Alaikum in Hebrew. So, he talked like us and not like you.
He prayed according to your bible on his knees with his face pressed to the ground. That's the way Muslims pray. So, he prayed like us and not like you.
He said in Mathew 5:17 "think not that I am come to destroy the law and the Prophets, for I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. He then states later that not one jot or tittle will pass from "THE LAW" until heaven and earth pass away. "THE LAW" prohibits the eating of swine's flesh. So, he ate like us and not like you.
The more you study the truth about Jesus, the more you find he was Muslim and not Christian.
Furthermore, the Jesus of 2,000 years ago was not The Christ. He was only a prophet. He prophesied the coming of "The Son of Man" who is Christ. He said he would come in the last days. These are those days. He has come in the person of Master Fard Muhammad. He came to the blackman and woman of America. He is the fulfillment of the second coming of Jesus. It's not the second coming of the first Jesus we should be looking for, but the first coming of the second Jesus. This again is Master Fard Muhammad.
So, unless you're talking about Master Fard Muhammad, you aint got no master in no Jesus Christ.............sorry.........................g et over it.
I have not assumed the title of master or any other title for that matter. If you are black, it is only fitting that you use the title brother......since we would be brothers. If you find that difficult to do, you sure as heck aint got the spirit of the Christ you claim to represent.
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23-10-07, 05:33 PM
Well brother eric if I may say so...
Jesus was a muslim...hmmmm
he came to America for black people and not all men...hmmm
I do agree with what you say about language. and that king james language does not do the hebrew and greek justice. but that is why i study with a lexicon of greek and hebrew. i want to know what it meant in the original language.
as far as prayer you better do a little more research. prayer has as little to do with posture as it does with how loudly you pray. check out Mark 11:25 for example.
also Jesus did not limit the number of times to prayer and at certain times. he said that men ought to always pray.
as far as the dietary laws i agree that pork in not the best meat for man. lamb and fish would do us much better. but read this...4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
but, because his example may mislead a new convert long accustomed to idols
7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. 9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
1 Cor 8:4-13 (KJV)
Jesus is not the Christ...seems like the Jews his own people said the same thing. I won't argue the point about your belief in faud muhammed as the second jesus. I heard that the rastas say it was salassi, koreans say it is moon, farakan says it is he, this has been tauted in all ages.
i have no problem brother eric calling you such. for all men are brothers. we just choose not to treat each other so.
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23-10-07, 06:21 PM
NOI,
Before I learned anything about the Bible, Book of Vedas,even the Quran, I used to think that God, Allah and Shiva( in Hinduism) were different people because of how man distinguish them, but I learned that they are all gods, but we just have title for them. God is not 23000 people and whether it's allah, Shiva, god he is one being. I've been to mosques on more than one occasion and whether the imam was black( not NOI, but W. Deen muhammads sect) or in some cases Pakastani, they all say that Allah is the same god that exists also in Christianity and vice versa.
Another interesting thing with religion is the origins. Islam is not the oldest religion. In comparision to the others , it is the youngest of them. Unbelievably,All of the religious roots actually started with Judaism, then man separted themselves and creating their own religions. Sometimes this is the problem that I have with man and religions. Far as second coming of Christ, The imams, swamis and reverends mentioned it and they all have said something in common: nobody is going to know who is going to destroy the world. No man on this earth will know that. Far as imams, I never heard of them, including the black ones say that he was going to come in the form of Master Fard Muhammad. I have never seen it in the Quran or the Bible.
Like I said I've been to Mosques, but I went go those mosque that are neutral, who teaches the true word of Allah. The ones that I've been to teaches the loveliness of Islam, but the truth and beauty of it. From what I learned from the Quran was that no matter what background you come from if you're not being obedient to god, you're going to you're not going to heaven or paradise( with the Muslims) and far as Jesus Christ, Muslims believe that he exists, but that he wasn't the son of god. The title of prophet is a person giving the message and knowing the word. Anybody can be called a prophet, though they may give it another name in doing so.
Do not get me wrong, I like the Muslim faith and it's a very lovely religion, but he is Allah isn't a separate or prejudiced god. The problem with man and religions is that they want to use to make themselves seem superior over each other and it shouldn't be the case. Man is too busy focusing on all the differences of approaching god, but there are many similarities that should keep the religions connected to each other. Like I tell people, I'am a Christian by title and by practice, I'm don't worship religion, I worship god and far as a Muslim it's all good . I'm not better or less than him/her because of who they are and it says so in the bible and the Quran.
He's not going to like us because who we are, it what we do that pleases him
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CeeCee -
23-10-07, 06:24 PM
Guys ,
ignore that bottom part of my post. I forgot to erase it.
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24-10-07, 01:23 AM
In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.
As-Salaam Alaikum, Bro. Eric.
Question 1):
"Do you believe that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad fulfills the sign or prophecy of Moses, or the 'one like Moses' who was to come in the last days?"
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24-10-07, 07:03 PM
I see since Master Fard was shown to be a satirical development of the genius of Elijah Muhammed......
You NOI folks are attempting to ressurect the dead teachings.....
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24-10-07, 10:23 PM
Number One: The question is for Bro. Eric. We already know your bent of mind regarding the Nation.
Number Two: Perhaps you should change your name to "Muslim LIE Revealed":
Just another LIE told by Muslim"Truth"Revealed
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25-10-07, 01:02 AM
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NOI,
Before I learned anything about the Bible, Book of Vedas,even the Quran, I used to think that God, Allah and Shiva( in Hinduism) were different people because of how man distinguish them, but I learned that they are all gods, but we just have title for them. God is not 23000 people and whether it's allah, Shiva, god he is one being. I've been to mosques on more than one occasion and whether the imam was black( not NOI, but W. Deen muhammads sect) or in some cases Pakastani, they all say that Allah is the same god that exists also in Christianity and vice versa.
Another interesting thing with religion is the origins. Islam is not the oldest religion. In comparision to the others , it is the youngest of them. Unbelievably,All of the religious roots actually started with Judaism, then man separted themselves and creating their own religions. Sometimes this is the problem that I have with man and religions. Far as second coming of Christ, The imams, swamis and reverends mentioned it and they all have said something in common: nobody is going to know who is going to destroy the world. No man on this earth will know that. Far as imams, I never heard of them, including the black ones say that he was going to come in the form of Master Fard Muhammad. I have never seen it in the Quran or the Bible.
Like I said I've been to Mosques, but I went go those mosque that are neutral, who teaches the true word of Allah. The ones that I've been to teaches the loveliness of Islam, but the truth and beauty of it. From what I learned from the Quran was that no matter what background you come from if you're not being obedient to god, you're going to you're not going to heaven or paradise( with the Muslims) and far as Jesus Christ, Muslims believe that he exists, but that he wasn't the son of god. The title of prophet is a person giving the message and knowing the word. Anybody can be called a prophet, though they may give it another name in doing so.
Do not get me wrong, I like the Muslim faith and it's a very lovely religion, but he is Allah isn't a separate or prejudiced god. The problem with man and religions is that they want to use to make themselves seem superior over each other and it shouldn't be the case. Man is too busy focusing on all the differences of approaching god, but there are many similarities that should keep the religions connected to each other. Like I tell people, I'am a Christian by title and by practice, I'm don't worship religion, I worship god and far as a Muslim it's all good . I'm not better or less than him/her because of who they are and it says so in the bible and the Quran.
He's not going to like us because who we are, it what we do that pleases him
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Excellent points....but Allah is NOT a 'god'.....Allah needs NOTHING from Creation to 'please him'
Allah is NOT a man or human......
Al Islam is NOT a 'religion'...religion is a Greek term meaning to bind or affix something....
Al Islam is in Creation..in YOUR existence...YOUR Birth, Life and Death is Al Islam.....
[Al-Fatir/Mala'ik 35.15] O you men! It is you that have need of Allah. but Allah is the One Free of all wants, worthy of all praise.
[Al-Zumar 39.7] If you reject (Allah), TRULY ALLAH HAS NO NEED OF YOU; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants. if you are grateful, He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that you did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men's) hearts.
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