guys i know that you are angry with me for being so simple. but i want to know and i am not afraid or ashamed to ask. i just hope that you will help elevate me to where you are by taking the tyme to show me what i seek.

What are we black people slave to in 2007? In America? In Europe? In the Orient? In Africa and where ever else you are implying that we are.

Is it collective or selective?

Is it a personal acceptance or inate?

Help me out here. If I can figure out what I am a slave to then I may be able to over come it.

And does the lack of education attribute to the enslavement, the use of drugs, lack of usable skills etc..? how about baring children and abandoning them to poverty.

are we responsible for any of it?

Salaam (Peace) to all...

slave:
1.a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another;
2.a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person.

What entities are we, as black people, "the property of"?

What entities are we, as black people, "wholly subject to"?

What entities are we, as black people, "entirely under the domination of"?

What entities are we, as black people, "entirely under the influence of"?


The answer is the same for three of the four questions, and for all people:

"Our perceptions of reality".

Can our perceptions of reality be enhanced and/or distorted by influences outside ourselves? Of course.

What are the influences that can affect our perceptions, either for good or for "not good"?

1) Autority figures - parents, teachers, politicians, scholars, etc.

2) Institutions - School, Religion, Government, etc.

3) Groups - Family, friends, team mates, fraternity, etc.

4) Experiences - painful, pleasureable, etc.

5) All of the above.

This is why it is said that whoever controls the dissemination of information controls the people.

To the degree that our perceptions of reality are based solely upon the perceptions of others, to that same degree are we also "slaves" to those "others"....whether they be "pro-truth" or "anti-truth".

RM

then if what you imply is truth...we are all doomed to be enslaved...since in the present world economy we will always be beholding to someone for substance and utility.

man not jsut blacks have lost his freedom to the pleasures that mordern society provides. it has little to do with race in essence although this or that race is in a particular status for this or that reason.

it is not force or threat of force that causes man to give up his freedom. it is his love of pleasure. i have relatives in Los Angeles who had land in Louisiana and because of there love of what Los Angeles provided they chose to sell of allow their land to be sold at tax sales. were they ensnared or did they choose to be slaves?

the world always has to have order or leadership or chaos will result. leadership is a natural progression. leaders always rise to the top and the crowds follow. the only thing in question is what style of leadership will they portray or enact.

because some men are base and vile there always needs to be organization or the brute will seize power. we can see it thus in some regard in the present world.

the slavery that people quake about now a day is a mild form to be sure than what will result in what they think that they will get in modern revelution. the chaos of anarchy could not be recovered from today.

i can promise you that the push to rebel will result in brutish men coming to power.

you gave the truth when you said that reality is perception. so the philosopher should teach the people how to percieve the reality they desire.

where are the philosophers for this season?

what do you mean pro truth or anti truth.

who would not want the truth? hahaahaha

who is anti truth? are these the same who killed socrates, jesus, ghandi, malcolm, king, ect

Please show me where I said "reality is perception".

RM

pk you did not say it.

you allusion made sense to me in that what the individual precieves a thing to be is what it is to him although it certainly could be something else.

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What are we black people slave to in 2007?

Do you think most White people are FREE?


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i am not being sacrastic umbrachrist but what do you mean by being free?

i believe that a slave owner is more of a slave than the slave. do you realize the effort it takes to lord over someone.

in essense today no one is truely free. no one. the rich are slaves to power. i remember living in an art commune in the 70s. closes thing to freedom that i have experienced.

free to do what? we are slaves to whom or what we submit ourselves to.

are white people free, hell no.

only in death are we free....

I think that a great percentage of the world's people are enslaved in one way or another. I especially agree with one of the posters that said, you are a slave to whom you subject yourself to be a slave to.

I know this is going to sound cliche, but hey, the bible says "He that the Son sets free is free indeed".

There is a freedom that can be experienced now in this world, even though you may be chained or imprisoned, or shackled to that 9 - 5 job. For these are but physical restraints. The problem comes when one is shackled from within their minds.

Whites believe they are not slaves, but they are but slaves within their system. Some of them not even trying to break free from the hold. Black people are at more of an advantage in that we are made to feel enslaved within a white supremacist system. We are made to feel at odds and can fully see our enemy doing its best to subdue. Therefore we are more at an advantage in that we see what wish to break free from, some do not see at all.

Entangled within the systems of the world, white supremacy just being one of the many aspects of that system, is also the spiritual wickedness and demonic forces at play, which the bible tells us is in high and low places, working against man that he would not come to know God, and be free body mind and soul.

The question is to do with black people, but the answer really is simplistic in some ways, we perish through lack of knowledge. Lack of self knowledge, lack of spiritual awareness. We have begun to see ourselves as european, and take on european philosophical thought and call that thought our own, not even seeing that their belief systems are weak and flawed and ultimately leaves them also enslaved, who wish to enslave.

Being a slave one must be obedient. A slave cannot be disobedient.

Otherwise your considered rebellious.

I see that we are very rebellious.

I cannot answer the meat of this question (what are we slaves to) but this is how I may proceed...

I do understand what is being said on the forum for the most part about our people being 'slaves'. But here where I live I still see fellows standing on the street corners, under trees sitting at dominoes drinking 40s, riding down the street in cars with 2000.00 rims, in the malls with britches hanging down to the floor, etc.

this is more mental slavery than physical....there certainly in no obedience in them, to whites or even their own parents.

Yeah. Well, I think we are slaves mainly to ignorance. Knowledge is power and thus the answer to our problems. When we called for Black Power we called, in a sense, for knowledge. Certainly Al-Hajj Muhammad Muhammad taught people to have a knowledge of self. By self, he meant African and African-ness.
In the old days we used to call it blackness.

To begin with, we know without any doubt that these religions that we identify with originate in Africa. When we know this, we will stop the fighting among Christioans and Muslims because the two are so-close. In fact, Islam in many ways came about as a result of Christianity in a sense. In other words, it was not until Christianity had been sidetracked from its original purpose that Islam had to be Revealed as a Clarification of the Original Message, the Gospels: the Purity, Oneness, Unity Holiness, Mercy of GOD.

Thus, the monotheistic religions in there un-corrupted forms all point to Pan-Africanism, defined as African Unity and Development. Thus, we speak of Black Power. We speak of our ability to avoid slavery and to fight slavery. Once this is acheived, we will be slaves to no one. But, until it is acheived we will always be slaves to something or someone.