Salaam (Peace) to all...

Question:

"Do you believe that God is 'omni-present'?"

"Is there any place where God is not?"

RM

mrmuhammed:

I know that nothing is hidden from God. Therefore He is everywhere.

but i think we need to look at present and what does this mean in the case of one who is also omnipotent and righteous.

as a father were I present with my children and something were done that is not pleasing to me I could not stand silent and not do something.

the question is if we believe that he is omnipresent then why is he not acting when we act up?

Thank you, meknow, for your response...but...my question was not whether God is "omniscient"...but whether God is "omniPRESENT"...

How would you answer these questions?

RM

he is everywhere which is what i said. many may doubt this because they will wonder why he is in a place where evil is being commited and is not doing anything or is precieved to not be doing anything.

Thank you...

Anybody else???

RM

Define what you mean by 'God'. Why? Because in order to respond to your question, one must know what you mean by 'God'. Do you mean the ALL THAT IS 'GOD'? The very essence of all spiritual and material in existence?

Or do you mean the GOD of earth? The one we fight and argue over as Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, Mother Nature, Gaea, Isis, etc, etc?

Are you referencing the bible? the quran? the baghavita? Actually, I am making this more difficult that it has to be.

I understand that there is a Great God, from which cometh all things. I also understand that there are lesser Gods. Elohim. If you reference chapter one of Genesis, you will see that one great spirit formed and fashioned the universe and everything in it.

In chapter two of the same, you will find where Yahweh Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Two difference creation accounts. In the first, male and female were made together on the sixth day. In the second, and better known story, Adam is created first, then he is put to sleep and Eve is created from his rib after certain lapse of time. In fact, breath life into Adam was the first thing Yahweh Elohim did, before the earth was finished.

Where do you stand on this? Do you accept the bible or reject it? Personally, I take it with a grain of salt. If I have evidence to back up something I've read, I can accept it as possibly true. If not, I take it on 'faith' (depending on importance) or not at all.

I make this distinction to bring to your attention the greater picture. The bible even proves there is more than 'one' God (elohim is plural), yet at the same time, we know beyond any doubt that there is only *one* God of the earth.

So back to your question, which God do you mean? The Great God is omnipresent because it consists of and exists in all things. *It* is not a he or a she. *It* is above, beyond current description, but not impossible to know. Omnipresent throughout all the universe, but like a CEO, CFO, and president of the board of directors, The Great God is over everything, but not involved in everything.

That is where our God comes in. Yahweh Elohim is at the supervisory level, subsisting upon the Great God as we subsist upon *him*. I use the gender reference 'him' because most earthlings believe their God is male. I happen to know otherwise, but that is neither here nor there.

Yahweh Elohim, on the other hand, is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient because of the nature of Divinity: ours as well as our God. We are the eyes, ears, and feet of our God. All that we see, our God sees. All that we hear, our God hears. Everywhere that we go, our God goes.

That is, the God of *this* earth. The Great God is above the little details. Much like the president of GE would be above knowing that one employee, in a random district, in a random region, under a random manager was five minutes late. Sure it is company policy to not be late, but the head man has bigger fish to fry, you dig?

Which is why that word 'Elohim' is plural. In it lies the truth of our destiny:

'Let Us Make...'

That included you. So, as a short an sweet answer to your question: Which God are you talking about?

soul

p.s.: Don't talk about what this or that religious doctrine says as proof of my error. I have here given examples to support my position. I have described my understanding as clearly as possible without overwhelming you with details. I know what modern day religions say. What modern day believers believe.

But can you say, without drawing from your book of faith, that my argument is not logical? That our destiny is not possible? Even probable?

soul

All I am asking is for those who believe in God to give THEIR OWN ANSWER based on THEIR VIEW of the subject.

In that regard, there is no "wrong" answer.

What 'I' mean by "God", is not relevant in this case.

RM

Ah. So I was right. This is a waste of time. If your aim is not ultimate truth, if not to assist others in gaining that ultimate truth, then what is it? Actually, don't answer that. I don't need the aggravation.

Your assumptions speak volumes.

Anyone else?

RM

I would gather my strength and rise to this challenge, but I already know the outcome. You will go into your corner and stay there. But I will say this, I make no assumptions. You have plainly stated for eyes that see exactly what your position is. *You* have none. At least not one that is well defined. It is for reasons like you that this world is in the state it is in.

You have some audacity to post this question and then hide behind the words

No wrong answer? What kinda crap is that? Do you even care about the subject of which you speak? No wrong answer? Oh wait, I'm getting bent all out of shape, and am insulting you in the process. Forgive me for my insult.

But goodness if this isn't the exact same sort of crap that goes on all over the world right NOW. People asking question they don't want to know the answer to. People going about their lives as if nothing else in this world matters but them. The supposedly pure in heart holding up their skirts in order to not get them muddied.

This is exactly how you come across to me, MR Muhammad. This is a-*need* I say it-a RELIGION and SPIRITUALITY board! Not a 'ho hum, what shall I do today? thread. Come on, man. Show some guts! You either stand in defense of your beliefs of you come here seeking knowledge. There is no fence in the middle. At least there shouldn't be.

Must be what Jesus meant when he said '...lukewarm I spew you out of my mouth..."

You've left a bad taste in my mouth. Not you personally, but that familiar lackadaisical attitude most religious people have. 'Since I already know God, I don't have to do anything else.'

If anything, you should stand your ground in defense of your beliefs. At the very least you should sacrifice all you have in order to save one soul. I would. And I would rejoice. If only it were that easy.

Do you really think any monotheistic faith will allow any other monotheistic religion to exist? That they would say 'there is no wrong answer' no matter the respect?

Man that was crappy and underhanded. Just nasty. Just nasty. Stand up, and fight like a man for what you believe. Lest you and your beliefs die.

Or did you just come here for the food?

soul

Again...more assumptions...

Anyone else?

RM

what do you think mrmuhammed? Is allah omni-present?