Islam is a religion of control---first and foremost.

It is an unbalanced religious system because of its treatment of women...

Fine

LOL...

For people who are so learned...apparently...it is surprising to see such fundamental errors in reasoning.

You cannot get to know me by listening to someone who doesn't like me. You can only get to know ME by getting to know ME...for yourSELF.

Likewise, One cannot "get to know" Islam by listening to those who walk away from it. All you're getting is THEIR VERSION or REASONS for Leaving.

If you want to "Know" Islam, all you have to do is pick up a copy of the Holy Qu'ran, read it from front to back, brushing aside all bias and rumor, and then make up your own mind.

It is an irrational mind which equates rumor and opinion with actual fact...especially when the actual facts are readily available.

Three things we must guard against:
1) Intellectual laziness - that which prevents us from putting forth the effort to search out the Truth of information brought to us before we pass it along.
2) Intellectual cowardice - the fear of considering the validity of a point of view that is different from the one we are comfortable with.
3) Intellectual mischief - the desire to purposely mislead others by the use of half-truths and outright falsehoods.

Evaluate Islam by the Qur'an, not by the people who claim to follow it, for they are imperfect people attempting to follow perfect Guidance.

Amazing how juvenile we can be in our reasoning....that we don't recognize propaganda when we see it.

RM

There is no "we"! I do not subscribe to Islam nor any of the mis-crap that you call truth ~ since your words are neither GOD-like nor Afrikan GOD Centered!

Your efforts to take away from what the sister is saying is totally unsuccessful.

Ase'
Fine

I have no respect for Arabs or Islam.

http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Clas sroom/9912/easterntrade.html

THE FORGOTTEN HOLOCAUST
The Arab Slave Trade is the longest yet least discussed of the two major trades. It began in the 7th century AD as Arabs and other Asians poured into Northern and Eastern Africa under the banner of Islam, either converting or subjugating the African societies they came upon. In the beginning there was some level of mutual respect between the Blacks and the more Caucasian-[Semitic] Arabs. Mihdja, a Black man, is said to be the first Muslim killed in battle while another, Bilal, is regarded as a "third of the faith." Dhu'l-Nun al-Misri, born in Upper Egypt near Sudan, is regarded as the founder of Sufism. Today Sufism's greatest stronghold is in Southern Egypt and Sudan. Islamic prosperity was based upon Black as well as Arabic genius.

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"...The children of a stinking Nubian
black---God put no light in their complexion..." -- Arab Poet, late 600AD
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But as Islamic prosperity grew, so did an air of hostility towards many Blacks, Muslims or otherwise. Some Arabs complained about having to work next to Blacks in high positions. After the Prophet's death, even the descendants of Bilal received negative treatment. Arabic writings became laced with anti-Black sentiment. This reaction of Blacks at the time to this can be seen in the writings of a contemporary 9th Century Black scholar in residence at Baghdad by the name of Abu 'Uthman' Amr Ibn Bahr Al-Jahiz. Al-Jahiz, to confront a growing tide of anti-black sentiment in the Muslim world, published a highly controversial work at the time titled, Kitab Fakhr As-Sudan 'Ala Al-Bidan, "The Book of Glory of the Blacks over the Whites." Al-Jahiz in his work contended that even the Prophet Mohammad's father may have been of African lineage.

These new attitudes towards Blacks by Arabs marked the beginning of African enslavement. Though not based solely on race, the Arab Slave Trade did focus heavily upon Africans whom Arabs now saw as inferior to themselves. At first these Arabs raided African villages themselves seeking humans for sale. This not being always successful, they soon enlisted the aid of fellow African Muslims or recently converted Blacks.

Wrapping themselves within Islam, these converts rationalized the slavery of their non Muslim brethren as the selling of "unbelievers."

At other times the Arabs would demand tribute in the form of human bodies from Africans weary of the fight against Arabic-Islamic incursions.

"...The Arabs took advantage of regional wars in Africa to buy captives from the victor. They also used the old divide-and-conquer technique. They worked one group against the other and took or killed the best and strongest..." --
S.E. Anderson, The Black Holocaust for Beginners

Slave Raids/Markets
After surviving the torturous ride aboard the Arab slave ships, Africans were taken to the slave markets. Here Muslim men would inspect their intended purchases. Women and young girls were degradingly probed by these men in public or private stalls to test their sexual worth. Those that did not survive their time in these markets were left out to rot. It is said that that hyenas, very numerous in the region, "gorged themselves on human flesh..."

Concubines and Eunuchs
The Eastern Slave Trade dealt primarily with African women: a ratio of two women for each man. These women and young girls were used by Arabs and other Asians as concubines. Filling the harems of wealthy Arabs, they often bore them a host of children. This sexual abuse of African women would continue for nearly 1200 years.

The Eastern Slave Trade also dealt in the sale of castrated male slaves: Aghas or eunuchs. Used as guards and tutors, these slaves were central to familial peace, protection and order in many wealthy Muslim households. Eunuchs were created by completely amputating the scrotum and %$#@! of 8-to-12-year-old African boys. Hundreds of thousands of young boys may have been subjected to this genital mutilation. Many bled to death during the gory procedure. The survival rate of this process ranged from 1 in 10 to 1 in 30.

The Numbers
Due to the enormous length of the Arab Slave Trade, from 700 to 1911AD, it is impossible to be certain of the numbers of Africans sold in this system. Estimates place the numbers somewhere around 14 million: at least 9.6 million African women and 4.4 African men.

It has been estimated that in all, at least 14 to 20 MILLION African men, women and children died throughout this trade.

LOL...that is both OBVIOUS and IRRELEVANT.

What I am saying is that an INTELLIGENT person would examine the SUBJECT of a rumor before passing it on, not just trust the "source" of the rumor. To do otherwise is to fail to show respect for SELF, let alone for the Subject of the rumor.

If you equate "arabs" with "Islam", it is because you do not fully understand either.

Again, I challenge you, and any others, to READ the Qur'an, front to back...suspending your biases...and then compare what you read to the rumors on which your biases are based.

To take three or four verses out of the context of the Book, and then attribute some contrived meaning to the Book, from a misinterpretation of the verses, is not becoming of people of self-respect. It is intellectually lazy...or intellectually dishonest.

How can we boast of being so "enlightened" and can't see that we are playing right into the plans of our open enemy?

Sad, indeed.

RM

post to your rants and raves about your honorable this and that.

Why do waste space here?

Fine

Likewise, it amazes me that so-called educted people can swallow so many outright lies without much thought and no questions. What good is education if one graduates without the ability to think clearly and analylze facts?

I am going to go thorugh this non-sense and show you exatly why it is a lie.

[quote]Islam like all Abrahamic religions originates in Afrfica: Front for the Unification and Development of Africa and Arabia. Please note that Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon him) descends frtomtg Prophetess Hagar (Peace and Blessings be upn her) an African.



I have no respect for Arabs or Islam.

http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Clas sroom/9912/easterntrade.html

THE FORGOTTEN HOLOCAUST
The Arab Slave Trade is the longest yet least discussed of the two major trades. It began in the 7th century AD as Arabs and other Asians poured into Northern and Eastern Africa under the banner of Islam, either converting or subjugating the African societies they came upon.


This is an outright lie. Maybe the author is just ignorant of the facts. But, more likely he is a paid paid mouth piece for zionist interests and is lying as part of his everyday job. This blog proves that slavery existed in Arabia before the arrival of Islam: http://www.blogger.com/posts.g?blogI...ype=ALL&page=1. The truth is, Islam like Christianity and Judaism before it, came to end slavery.

All Arabs descend from from the Holy Prophetess Hagar (Peace and Blessings be upon her) So. all Arabs are off African descent. The more cacasoid Arabs that we see today are usuallyy from lower classes of Arab society who came about as a result of the Crusader Armies who invaded African and Arab lands. These armioes were defeated and many could not find their way back to Europe. Africans and Arabs being traditionally hospitalable adopted these straglers into their own communities. Thus, the cacasoid types that we see to day.


This proves how some so-called scholars manages to slant even the truth in such a way as to make it loose all resemblance to fact. Not only was Muhammad descended from Africans, all of the Arabs were also. Not only this, the above statement proves that many of the leaders and high officials of Ul-Ummah were full-blooded Africans. This included the Great Liberator of Egypt (Front for the Unification and Development of Africa and Arabia) Note that it is the Romans who raises an issue about skin color, not Arabs. Also note that the Second Caliph Umar, the Prophet's son in law, was a full blooded African. (Peace and Blessings be upon all of the prohets. May Allah be please with ash-Shahaba) The fact is, Islamic socity cannot be compared with Christian society on racial issues. Even today. Islam has never had a a history of racial segreagtion or apartheid such as we see in most Christian churches.

The same basic lie is repeated. African enslavement began in Rome when the Romans took control of Egypt. The liberation of Egypt by Muslims was a fight aginst this slavery.

This is another lie. The truth is the slave trade was performed mostly by pagans and non-believers and dis-beleivers. Of course, there were a few renegade Muslims who engaged in it. But, Islam is against slavery. So much so that even today we see no evidence of Africans having been enslaved by Muslims in any Muslim country. While in all of the western European countries we see the descendants of African slaves to prove the guilt of these societies. There is no such proof in any Muslim country.

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Wrapping themselves within Islam, these converts rationalized the slavery of their non Muslim brethren as the selling of "unbelievers."

To get out of alsvery under such a system, all a slave would have to do is confess Islam and immeidately become free. In Christianity, Christians can enslve other Christians based on skin color. Not so in Islam.


To avoid killing defeated pagans and non-believers, we did sometimes take them into captivity. This is comparable to prisonsers of war status, not slavery.

Is this S.E. Anderson a Jew? This is a good and legitimate question considering all the lies being told here.

[Get real! Arab slave ships? This is the first time I ever heard this particular lie.


Sounds more like Saint Lousi to me, than say Riyad.

Maybe this helps to expalin why all of the Arab elites today are definitely of African descent. Consider the Saudi royal family, for instance. Also, consider the the leaders of Egypts, the largest Arab countries. All are Africans without a doubt.

The rest of these lies do not deserve a response.

facts laid out by Dr. Clarke about Islam and those mad/suicidal men called the Arabs.

Are you an Arab?

You are expecting too much from her..she's NOT intelligent...thats obvious....

Secondly as you can tell from her rantings...she lacks emotional intelligence...

Leave her to dwell in disdain of her own soul....

All she's going to do is slink back into another thread...thats all they do....

Just keep spoon feeding them with baby food....when they are ready for real nourishment...they will grow teeth.....

....Mentally and Spiritually.....

He is a 'second, third and fourth' hand researcher...

He takes what he HEARS....READS from OTHERS work...and puts his name on it!

You just as blind as he is...

Excuse my callousness, it is NOT my intention...but those are the FACTS!

Assalaam Alaikum