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Default Clotted blood.... - 06-12-07, 01:08 AM

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i mentioned to another muslim about the blood clot that allah used to create man from. he does not have the a computer he can not come here to see for himself. I want to be a factual to what you say as I can when I talk to him again.

so a couple of questions, where did the clotted blood come from. was it animal blood, fish blood or did blood have some other use than sustaining life?

was this blood somehow left unattended and congealed?

Jehovah used dust and pnuma and His will to invent man. Jehovah says that man is a spirit, he has a soul and lives in a body. What is the muslims description of man?

don't forget to tell us about the blood clots origin please.


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guys:

i mentioned to another muslim about the blood clot that allah used to create man from. he does not have the a computer he can not come here to see for himself. I want to be a factual to what you say as I can when I talk to him again.

so a couple of questions, where did the clotted blood come from. was it animal blood, fish blood or did blood have some other use than sustaining life?
How soon we forget! I showed you how this so-called clotted blood was a bad translation. The concept is better translated as an embryo. All higher forms of life come embryos.

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was this blood somehow left unattended and congealed?

Jehovah used dust and pnuma and His will to invent man. Jehovah says that man is a spirit, he has a soul and lives in a body. What is the muslims description of man?

don't forget to tell us about the blood clots origin please.
We do not necesssarily argue about these sort of things. Neither The Bible nor Qur'an give detailed, step by step descriptions of all that is involved in the Creation of life. So, why argue about it? All believers believe that Allah Created life. As for the "blood", Allah Created that too. Allah Created All that is in the Universe. So, how can a mere man even comprehend it?
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ok abd,

so now i get it. before i was assuming that when a question was asked of our belief that if we did not defend it or just said that God is beyond human understanding we were look upon as evading.

so i will now tell the guy though that like you guys say that the bible is that korans can also be translated incorrectly. i thought that only the bible was looked upon as such.

but now i have another question. by embryo being invented.... are we talking the embryo that we see in books. or could this also be a bad translation of what he did in forming man as you believe?

Don't get me wrong I know that a soverign God can do as He pleases. it is His call whether He chooses to bring the egg or the chicken first.

one other question...

mrmuhammed mentioned that everyso often the koran is rewritten or reevaluated for some reason. Is this not true? my question is why?


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ok abd,

so now i get it. before i was assuming that when a question was asked of our belief that if we did not defend it or just said that God is beyond human understanding we were look upon as evading.

so i will now tell the guy though that like you guys say that the bible is that korans can also be translated incorrectly. i thought that only the bible was looked upon as such.
I have said all along that Holy Scriptures cannot be fully appreciated and understood int the English Language, especially modern English. We must go back to the original language to be sure about what is being said. There is nothing wrong with Qur'an. It is just that all translators are mere mere men and women like you and me. They all make mistakes.

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You mean Created?


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As staeted above, wew do not know all of the step by step details in the Creation of life. Modern science has only been able to aprxomate creation of life. That is creation with a small "c".

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Don't get me wrong I know that a soverign God can do as He pleases. it is His call whether He chooses to bring the egg or the chicken first.

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mrmuhammed mentioned that everyso often the koran is rewritten or reevaluated for some reason. Is this not true? my question is why?
Again. I do not subscribe to that oponion. The tradition in Islam is that the orginal Arabic is the only valid Qur'an. No translation will ever do.
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Again. I do not subscribe to that oponion. The tradition in Islam is that the orginal Arabic is the only valid Qur'an. No translation will ever do.
so you read with the original version?


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so you read with the original version?
Every Muslim recites at least some of the original Arabic in every Prayer. Prayers are performed a minimum of Five times a day.
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Default Blood Clot?...... - 06-12-07, 08:08 PM

Actually Allah does give us a detailed description of how we are created.....

But I will address the 'blood clot'...translation....

[Al-Mu'minun 23.14] Then We made the sperm / Nutfah into a clot of congealed blood / Alaqah; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; THEN WE DEVELOPED OUT OF IT ANOTHER CREATURE. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

Nutfah: This refers to the beginning of embryonic development and covers the period from the mixing of male and female secretions to the implantation of the zygote into the uterus. During this phase the unicellular zygote continues to divide and assumes a more complex shape

The word ‘Alaqah can also be translated as ‘leech like structure’. The leech is a elongated pear shaped creature which thrives on blood sucking. At this stage of development the embryo from top view does bear a resemblance to a leech. This resemblance is even more marked if the 24 day old embryo is seen from the side. It is also interesting to note that the embryo is now dependent on the maternal blood for its nutrition and behaves very much like a leech!. (For greater detail see Moore, KL. ‘A scientists interpretation of references to embryology in the Qur’an.’ Journal of the Islamic Medical Association of US and Canada, 1986, 18:15, and Moore, KL. and Azzindani, AMA.: "The Developing Human, Clinically Orientated Embryology, With Islamic Additions". 3rd Ed., Dar Al-Qiblah and WB Saunders).

The MISTRANSLATION of 'blood clot' for the word Alaqah is incorrect
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Actually Allah does give us a detailed description of how we are created.....

But I will address the 'blood clot'...translation....

[Al-Mu'minun 23.14] Then We made the sperm / Nutfah into a clot of congealed blood / Alaqah; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; THEN WE DEVELOPED OUT OF IT ANOTHER CREATURE. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

Nutfah: This refers to the beginning of embryonic development and covers the period from the mixing of male and female secretions to the implantation of the zygote into the uterus. During this phase the unicellular zygote continues to divide and assumes a more complex shape

The word ‘Alaqah can also be translated as ‘leech like structure’. The leech is a elongated pear shaped creature which thrives on blood sucking. At this stage of development the embryo from top view does bear a resemblance to a leech. This resemblance is even more marked if the 24 day old embryo is seen from the side. It is also interesting to note that the embryo is now dependent on the maternal blood for its nutrition and behaves very much like a leech!. (For greater detail see Moore, KL. ‘A scientists interpretation of references to embryology in the Qur’an.’ Journal of the Islamic Medical Association of US and Canada, 1986, 18:15, and Moore, KL. and Azzindani, AMA.: "The Developing Human, Clinically Orientated Embryology, With Islamic Additions". 3rd Ed., Dar Al-Qiblah and WB Saunders).

The MISTRANSLATION of 'blood clot' for the word Alaqah is incorrect
Thank you very much. I find your insight very helpful. Hopefully, it will help to dissuade those who seek to discrdit Islam.
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i realize that it is hard to follow the logic of an All Powerful, All Knowing God, but this is an instance of such a time.


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