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Sir to dismiss someone on the grounds of intellect..one must FIRST have evidenced based facts..founded on truth..as I'm proven time and time again from direct quotes from Chancellor Williams book..your facts are not EVIDENCED based..nor are they based on fact.. you have shamefully misquoted the man and then twisted the out of context quotes to make it appear that he is something he clearly wasn't... That sir is NOT by any standards an intellectual debate. it is a shameful slandering of a mans name and you have yet to demonstrate on any level that you understand or comprehend the propaganda that you are posting on this WEBSITE..

Further far be it for you to DISMISS me, i should advise you it is NOT in your gift.. it is however in my gift to dismiss you should you continue in this shameful slandering of two great men....

Now it is simple put up or shut up!!!
Im free to say what I choose to say...anytime I can support my assertions beyond slander and emotional negative characterizations....

I could careless about your puny little power of influence on a internet forum!

Im an author, researcher and sincere believer in ONE Creator, ONE ultimate power of influence for which I call upon.

Now do what you like....

Afrocentricity , Minus Al-Islam, Cheats….”Exposing the conspiracy to rob African Americans of their most precious heritage”, by Ameen Yasir Mohammed
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Default Address this..... - 08-12-07, 01:19 AM

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John Henrik Clarke has probably been Chancellor Williams’s foremost supporter and has endorsed his book, THE DESTRUCTION OF BLACK CIVILIZATION, on several occasions. Chancellor Williams made some strange but telling statements during his “research” phase leading to the publication of his book in 1974. These statements point to possible involvement of the Central Intelligence Agency/British intelligence communities Statements such as :

“As indicated “, said Williams, “the American embassy in Khartoum did none of the preparatory work about which I give the US embassies throughout Africa so much praise, although it had six months notice before my arrival “[first edition] A later edition, changed somewhat, read in full :

Later changed to….

[Chancellor Williams] “The United States Department of State had notified the American embassy in each country that I was coming, requesting our ambassadors to give any requested assistance Excepting the Sudan, where embassy officials appeared to be under some kind of fear, the embassies, everywhere, went all out to be helpful The embassies had the very important work of making the advance arrangements for trips into the interior through the appropriate ministries in each country As indicated above, the American embassy in Khartoum did none of the preparatory work about which I give the other U S African embassies so much praise, although it had six months notice before my arrival”

[p. 28-29, revised edition, 1989].


Of course Sudan and Khartoum will NOT assist him, one they are Muslims and TWO they know he works for the CIA, thats why the suspicion and lack of cooperation


“The reason the CIA office(s). ..(were)... located in the embassies, as it is in most other countries in the world”, wrote John Marks in the book, DIRTY WORK: THE CIA IN WESTERN EUROPE, edited by Philip Agée,

“is that by presidential order the State Department is responsible for hiding and housing the CIA...State confers respectability on the Agency’s operatives, dressing them up with the same titles and calling cards that give legitimate diplomats entree into foreign government circles. Protected by diplomatic immunity, the operatives recruit local officials as CIA agents to supply secret intelligence and, especially in the Third World, to help in the Agency’s manipulation of a country’s internal affairs.” [p. 30]

Chancellor Williams manipulated and dipped into the internal affairs of the African country of Sudan. Involved in a civil war, the Sudanese were apparently suspicious of his trip and, as he admitted, seemed fearful of him. And to verify the Khartoum government’ a suspicions, Chancellor Williams promised to wage a propaganda war against the African nation if they did not comply with his “study” request. He threatened them by saying the following:

“I, therefore, prepared to leave at once, but announced that I did not beg to study anywhere, and that the world would learn that this was the Only African state where an African scholar was barred” [first edition].

Not only were the Sudanese suspicious, but the brothers and sisters in Zimbabwe were suspicious, too. The United States State Department was giving Williams too much assistance but, also, the hated and hateful Ian Smith regime of “Rhodesia”,

Williams wrote on page 29, “to the surprise of just about everyone, pulled out all stops as though it had resolved to outmatch all the black states in amenities and various kinds of assistance beyond all expectations or needs. There was the usual press conference, followed by front page head- line coverage of my mission.” Note the following:

Our Zimbabwe friends were somewhat suspicious of the motives behind all this red carpet treatment for a black American, especially when it continued after my uncompromising replies to questions on a TV broadcast panel session” [p. 30].
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Im free to say what I choose to say...anytime I can support my assertions beyond slander and emotional negative characterizations....

I could careless about your puny little power of influence on a internet forum!

Im an author, researcher and sincere believer in ONE Creator, ONE ultimate power of influence for which I call upon.

Now do what you like....

Afrocentricity , Minus Al-Islam, Cheats….”Exposing the conspiracy to rob African Americans of their most precious heritage”, by Ameen Yasir Mohammed

Sorry but you're NOT free to lie and slander and misrepresent one our great scholars here, especially when you clearly twisting passages of his book to suit some far fetched agenda... here we have a two way debate not a debate where you misrepresent and then refuse to accept the inaccuracy of your statements and pronouncements.. So I'll take my 'puny' powers and wish you adios, and you can peddle your half truths elsewhere thanks...


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Again the author of this misrepresents and rewrite the passage on pg 28/29 'destruction of BLACK civilisation' the WHOLE passage of the 1990 version which i have actually reads:

In concluding my remarks on the field studies in AFRICA, some comments of four countries visited are in order. In the Sudan the authorities did not want me to work in or even visit the all-black southern provinces. Their 15 years of rebellion against the 'Arabs' North had caused the whole vast area to be officially 'sensitive' and therefore,barred to outsiders. The suggestion was that i confine my studies to the Northern Sudan. This I refused because I had been previously assured that the rebellion had been 'completely crushed' and that 'peace and quiet' prevailed everywhere. Besides i could only find Islamic institutions in the North-institutions of which I already had full knowledge from years of study and teaching. As i indicated above, the American Embassy in Khartoum did none of the preparatory work about which I give the other US African Embassies so much praise, Although it had six months notice before my arrival. and they maintained a strictly hands off policy after my arrival. I therefore, prepared to leave at once, but announced that i did not beg to study anywhere, and that the world would learn that this was the only 'African state' where an African scholar was barred'. The Ministry of the interior reacted quickly. Not only was permission quickly granted to do fiekd work in the South, but all necessary arrangement were made with dispatch. This included establishing my southern headquaters in Malakal. The simple fact was that while they were quite Familiar with European research people roaming freely all over the country, a black doing field studies in the Sudan was a Phenomenon indeed.

As you can clearly read above the passage in full actually discusses Chancellor Williams exchange in trying to gain access to the SOUTH of the Sudan, it also clearly articulates that AMERICA did NOT assist in that process, in fact the Sudanese government on the Threat of being exposed relented and Assisted the man to complete his studies in Sudan..

So again the Author of this thread is a blatant liar, who again misrepresenting what was actually written, deliberately misconstruing Chancellor Williams words to paint the man as some sort of 'agent' of the CIA..shameful..

Again the Author tried to make the man out as a intruder, and a 'meddler' not true as the FULL passage above asserts... Chancellor Williams was doing research...it is a far fetch to expand this as some sort of covert operation...rubbish..

The author then mangles and again misrepresents a quote on pg 29/30 which actually reads: and now Southwards to the FULL White ruled lands where hostility to a black face was fully expected Rhodesia and South Africa. Long before reaching Southern Africa I was told that I might as well skip Rhoedesia, and even if I was admitted into Southern Africa I would not be permitted to work. But Rhodesia, to the surprise of just about everyone, pulled out all the stops as though it had resolved to outmatch all the Black states in amenities and various kinds of assistance beyond all expectations or needs. There was actually a press conference, followed by a front page headline coverage of my mission. The other surprise was an invitation for TV and Radio broadcast to the nation. Our Zimbabwean Friends were somewhat suspicious of our motives behind all the red carpet treatment for a BLACK American, especially after it continued after my uncompromising replies to questions o the TV broadcast panel session.

Again the Author tried to manipulate the passage out of context, in context you can clearly read that the suspicion was in the context of an Aparthied regime uncharacteristically giving a free pass to a BLACK man who had just insulted the white rulers...


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gain your emotionalism has you all over the place...we are NOT discussing Blyden or when Liberia was established, or who has the better accounting of European colonization.

NEGRO....we are focusing on the CLEAR addressable EVIDENCE from a Book titled......

Afrocentricity , Minus Al-Islam, Cheats….”Exposing the conspiracy to rob African Americans of their most precious heritage”, by Ameen Yasir Mohammed

That makes it clear that there was a conspiratorial influence to mislead Africans in the diaspora as to their true history....through CIA involvement....

Why is that so foreign to you?

Now address the evidence and stop spamming the thread with your emotional rants and ravings.
You crap asked and answered, you sir are a liar pure and simple...your pernicious slandering of the greats on the alter of Sudanese Nationalism is quite frankly outragous and disgusting... and your disrespect after I asked you not to address me in that Europeanised manner is unforgivable... yet you claim to know the 'TRUTH' really!!!?


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Default Just an annoyance.... - 08-12-07, 05:16 AM

Your off point, posting passages and references to YOUR edition of the book, which has been re written, passages deleted, etc. does NOT suggest that I am lying, misrepresenting or slandering these particular individuals.

Libel and Slander

"Libel" involves the publishing of a falsehood that harms someone. Slander is the same doctrine applied to the spoken word. Collectively, they are referred to as "defamation". Both are a matter of state laws, which usually (not always) require that the falsehood be intentional.

In New York Times v. Sullivan, the Supreme Court held that the First Amendment requires that, before a public official can recover damages for a defamatory statement, he must prove it was made with "actual malice", even if state laws otherwise allow recovery for negligent defamation. The Court has since expanded this to cover not only public officials but "public figures", including individuals who involve themselves in controversies.

There is no slander in publishing that which is documented and true......

Legal Misrepresentation is when one person manifests by words or other means something that is not correct according to the facts that the circumstances provide. These manifestations can occur verbally or in other ways.

How can there be misrepresentation of the facts?

Williams went to the US State Department, was given carte blanche to EVERY Embassy in Africa. By his OWN admission suspicion was drawn by a number of embassies. As a result of their lack of cooperation, they were threatened.

Now researchers and historians do NOT contact embassies in foreign countries through the US State Department

Lastly, the CIA practices covert operations to destroy Africans in EVERY Embassy on the planet and they use OTHER Africans to do so. That has been shown and the evidence presented.

Chancellor Williams and John Henrik Clarke were obviously approached and recruited by the CIA as were other historians, professors and the like. That evidence and testimony was shown also.


Chancellor Williams Family and Estate are aware of the allegations of CIA complicity. John Henrik Clarke was alive for YEARS when the allegations and the book "Afrocentricity minus Al Islam....Cheats" was published.

NO CIVIL SUITS or OPPOSITION have been filed or even stated in public!
(that Im aware of)


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Now your puny little influence to get my other nickname banned is merely an annoyance. The truth has been presented, you nor the other mental midgets on this forum can address the evidence. Thus you resort to the name calling and threats that are common place with people who are afraid to think for themselves.

Now let me give you a BIGGER concern and a clue as to your destiny and enslavement....

Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007

Now use all of your love and loyalty for two dead negro so-called historians to figure how to deal with what is coming....

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Your off point, posting passages and references to YOUR edition of the book, which has been re written, passages deleted, etc. does NOT suggest that I am lying, misrepresenting or slandering these particular individuals.


Sorry but i beg to differ i have written in full the passages you decided to omit and the reinterpret to make this falsehood..


Libel and Slander

"Libel" involves the publishing of a falsehood that harms someone. Slander is the same doctrine applied to the spoken word. Collectively, they are referred to as "defamation". Both are a matter of state laws, which usually (not always) require that the falsehood be intentional.

In New York Times v. Sullivan, the Supreme Court held that the First Amendment requires that, before a public official can recover damages for a defamatory statement, he must prove it was made with "actual malice", even if state laws otherwise allow recovery for negligent defamation. The Court has since expanded this to cover not only public officials but "public figures", including individuals who involve themselves in controversies.

There is no slander in publishing that which is documented and true......

Actually sir you will find that interpretation and application two different things, and it is not up to the person demonising the person to conclude what is or is not a slander, further it is slander when you reinterpret a so call fact, with out a shred of concret evidence to suggest something that you clearly have not proven, cannot prove and have no evidence other than some half baked theory..that sir is called a FALSEHOOD.

Legal Misrepresentation is when one person manifests by words or other means something that is not correct according to the facts that the circumstances provide. These manifestations can occur verbally or in other ways.

How can there be misrepresentation of the facts?

Williams went to the US State Department, was given carte blanche to EVERY Embassy in Africa. By his OWN admission suspicion was drawn by a number of embassies. As a result of their lack of cooperation, they were threatened.


Again this is a suggestion on your behalf you have not provided a shred of evidence to prove this.. my thought are that you get help

Now researchers and historians do NOT contact embassies in foreign countries through the US State Department

Lastly, the CIA practices covert operations to destroy Africans in EVERY Embassy on the planet and they use OTHER Africans to do so. That has been shown and the evidence presented.

Chancellor Williams and John Henrik Clarke were obviously approached and recruited by the CIA as were other historians, professors and the like. That evidence and testimony was shown also.


Chancellor Williams Family and Estate are aware of the allegations of CIA complicity. John Henrik Clarke was alive for YEARS when the allegations and the book "Afrocentricity minus Al Islam....Cheats" was published.

NO CIVIL SUITS or OPPOSITION have been filed or even stated in public!
(that Im aware of)


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Now your puny little influence to get my other nickname banned is merely an annoyance. The truth has been presented, you nor the other mental midgets on this forum can address the evidence. Thus you resort to the name calling and threats that are common place with people who are afraid to think for themselves.

Now let me give you a BIGGER concern and a clue as to your destiny and enslavement....

Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007

Now use all of your love and loyalty for two dead negro so-called historians to figure how to deal with what is coming....

Don't have to because this identity will go and any others you decide to post to so there you go...


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Why is it you feel the need to come to an African site and attack the name and integrity of two of our Ancestors in the defence of an arab religion?

Is it your claim that the entire body of their work is invalid or that just the parts that refer to the arab religion?

Are you a ‘negro’ muslim?

Are you an ‘agent’ of allah and arabia?

Please excuse my directness for before I can engage with the topic I need to learn more of your motives/bias. I openly admit that I am not as well read on these issues as you seem to be but I am willing to learn.


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"EXPOSING Chancellor Willaims & John Henrik Clarke as the AGENTS they are!"

Can you clearly state who is that you claim these two African giants were* "agents" of?

Thank you.

* "Were" rather than "are" since both giants have now joined the ancestors.
I notice that no "truth" was "revealed" in relation to this basic question.
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I keep saying that Williams' work is unworthy of serious study by forward looking, optimiatic Africans of the present. The mere fact that he always causes divisions and un-necessary conflict is sufficient reason to avoid Willimas' work. The above discourse is all the evidence that we need.
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