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Default 17-12-07, 12:18 AM

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On the first point these people promoting this argument are just totally pathetic... they can't even produce a credible argument to back up their deluded claims....

On the other point..well we can safety say that after Grand slam Sunday its between Man U & Arsenal... Its gonner be a blast this season....XXXXXXXXXXXX

Pardon me, Brother. But, I think you are sincerely and genuinely perplexed and confused about what I have been trying to say all along.

Here is a direct excerpt from his biography:

In 1935 Dr. Williams took the post of Administrative Principal for the Cheltenham School for Boys in Maryland. Four years later he became a teacher in the Washington, DC public schools. He entered the employment of the U.S. Federal Government in 1941, filling a variety of positions such as section chief of Census Bureau, statistician for War Relocation Board, and economist in Office of Price Administration. In 1946 he returned to his alma mater as social science instructor from 1952. It was then that he transferred to the history department where he remained until he retired in 1966. (Chancellor Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.)


Below is a direct repetition of one key sentence in that biography. It appears in most of the sources that I have viewd:


He entered the employment of the U.S. Federal Government in 1941, filling a variety of positions such as section chief of Census Bureau, statistician for War Relocation Board, and economist in Office of Price Administration.

Pay close attention to this statemnt: He entered the employment of the U.S. Federal Government in 1941, filling a variety of positions such as.... This his public record. Give him the benefit of the doubt if oyu wish. I do not give him the benefit of the doubt for these reasons:

1. I read Drstruction of Blcak Civilization a number of times startring in 1976.
His biography states: The Destruction of Black Civilization: Great Issues of a Race Between 4500 B.C. and 2000 A.D. (1971) ISBN 0-88378-030-5. Thus, 1976 came later in time than 1971 when the book was published. Without re-reading another good tale, but lousy history, suffice it to say that in the 1976 edition that I have read, Williams claimed that he was blind or going blind os something like that. He used that as an excuse to notdocument his sources. Blind! Blind? Or, lazy? And, dishonest?

Well, his biography also shows that he published this: The Second Agreement with Hell, Carlton Press, (1979). Notice the publication date: 1979. Something is not adding up. Specifically, he wrote another ENTIRE BOOK AFETER he went B-L-I-N-D. Blind! Get it?

2. Notice his publisher, the publisher of Destruction...:
In 1971, Williams sent his magnum opus, The Destruction of Black Civilization, to Kendall Hunt, a white-owned publishing company..." Did I get that right? A white publisher? Could your hero not find an African publisher for his signature cult master-piece? What about Al-Ahram Foundation? Al-Ahram has been around as an African publisher since 1875:
Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875. Cairo is in Africa. It would seem logically for a legitmate history of Africa.

[u]What about Johnson Publications, America's most promient and credible African publisher, located in Chicago, Illinois? Johnson has published such outstanding African histories as Before the Mayflower (Before the Mayflower - A History of Black America - New 2007 edition) which adds considerable weight to such great works as Van Sertima's They Came Before Columbus (They Came Before Columbus).

What about Panaf Books in the UK? They have published several of Nkrumah's greatest works.

The bottomline is, he had no credible reasons to seek out a "white-owned publishing company" for an African history. Ceratinly, they could not have reached a larger African distirbution network than any of the above mentiopned publishers. This is what makes me think that Williams had a hidden agenda, namely he was out to serve his white masters while creating all kinds of problems among Africans, between African Muslims and African Christians and other believers. Clearly he has proved that he is hostile not just to Arabs or Muslims, but to African interests in general.

This is what happens when we use the brain that GOD gave us and not just follow any old fool who happens to come along.

3. This is my main problem with Williams: the book is simply not history. This is a direct quote from an African source: The average reader of this book always misconstrues it's purpose. The purpose of this book is not to be descriptive, but prescriptive. In other words, The Destruction is not meant to serve solely as a history book. (Books by Dr. Williams) You can call it whatever you wish. I am having a hard time finding a precise description of the book that you are likely to understand. But, it is not history. It was never meant to be a history. The same African source I just quoted goes on to say this: The book's purpose is to provide Afrikan people with an historical background into Afrikan-specific problems of the past, while at the same time, giving viable solutions to what Afrikan people should do to solve the same, lingering problems that slavery, colonialism, and neo-colonialism are very definitely at the root of.

4. The final issue is, Williams does not appear to be interested in African Unity as far as I can see. This is waht the African source quoted above says: He cogently and correctly exposes how Afrika and her people have been historically duped and demeaned, not only by Europeans [Christians] and Asians, but by Arabs also. When did Asians colonize Africa? When did they enslave us? What about the Arabs?

I do not pretend to know what kind of insanity Dr Williams was suffering from. But, something is clearly wrong. He is prescribing a solution for us that is not based in history and everybody, every intelligent person, knows it is not history. We also know that it is not scientfic in any significant way. It is some 3-400 pages of delusion. I was being kind to the old dude when I called his work propaganda. It is closer to fiction, really.

You may have tinme to waste on this non-sense. But sorry, I do not.

Unfortunately, he did not use fisction writing license to eduacte us. Instead, he used it to confuse us.


The source quoted are taken from this site:

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Default 17-12-07, 12:40 AM

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Pardon me, Brother. But, I think you are sincerely and genuinely perplexed and confused about what I have been trying to say all along.

Here is a direct excerpt from his biography:

In 1935 Dr. Williams took the post of Administrative Principal for the Cheltenham School for Boys in Maryland. Four years later he became a teacher in the Washington, DC public schools. He entered the employment of the U.S. Federal Government in 1941, filling a variety of positions such as section chief of Census Bureau, statistician for War Relocation Board, and economist in Office of Price Administration. In 1946 he returned to his alma mater as social science instructor from 1952. It was then that he transferred to the history department where he remained until he retired in 1966. (Chancellor Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.)


Below is a direct repetition of one key sentence in that biography. It appears in most of the sources that I have viewd:


He entered the employment of the U.S. Federal Government in 1941, filling a variety of positions such as section chief of Census Bureau, statistician for War Relocation Board, and economist in Office of Price Administration.

Pay close attention to this statemnt: He entered the employment of the U.S. Federal Government in 1941, filling a variety of positions such as.... This his public record. Give him the benefit of the doubt if oyu wish. I do not give him the benefit of the doubt for these reasons:
I gonna deal with the rest of your crap later...but to quickly deal with your delusion... now pay attention my poor foolish friend.. The whole point about being an 'agent' a 'spy' is that no one is supposed to know... when Hoover spied and plotted against Garvey, they did not write a bloody book or take out an ad in the New York times... We only KNEW that they had plotted against Garvey after the fact, same with Martin, same with Malcolm Same with Patrice Lamumba, same with Idi Amin etc etc...

Yet here you are Mr Know it all trying to convince me and all the BNV forum that somehow the CIA bucked their own trend and not only allowed one of their agents to publically write that he was one of them.... They also allowed him go into detail about his involvement... ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOUR DELUDED CRAP?

Have you STOPPED and thought about the LOGIC? Sir you positively belong in a nut house because if that makes sense to you, then you are even more paraniod than I thought....

One minute you SHOUT from the roof tops that you are not trying to claim he was an agent, then you are saying he is an agent... one minute it doesn't matter i he was an agent, you problem is his works that you say is substandard, next you base your entire claim against his work on the tenious claim that he was an Agent and that you don't trust him...

Sir..honestly and truthfully GET HELP!!! you are not righted...


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Default 17-12-07, 12:55 AM

Now the discussion is starting to get a litty bit interesting.

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Ok then...Do you know I knew this had something to do with Islam even before reading any futher. Clarke and Williams..agents for whom?

Could be shite historians, factually incorrect in part on specifics or just blantantly wrong..But agents kinda suggests this is an idiot or some clown wanting to hide behind arguments. Muslimtruthrevealed cites passage of this television as evidence of god knows..I actually would like to deal with their actual work which we can examine systematically, cross examine and see how they deal with issue, themes or periods of history..

Didn't even waste my time looking at the video. Why given plenty interviews in my time and left the studio and then said oh shit Fred haven't answered that question the way I intended to. So not sure what the clip in question proves when their work I think is where their arguments will stand and fall.

Understand why some of you Muslims cats feel so aggrieved by Clarke and Williams but trust me there are far more authoritative sources since they wrote which will pin your Islamic goose to the wall.

That will be a cold day. Fact is, the best sources of African history are mostly in Arabic. Stupid cults are too lazy to learn Arabic sio that they can seriously research African history.


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Go and read specific histories of West Africa, Nigeria, Ghana and see the ugly history of Ilsam. Don't need Clarke or Williams to show me that too many African women historian already exposed that shit..
Even Williams is not this silly. What I liked about his work is he attempted to go beyond the narrow tribal analysis, the micro-nationalist analysis. That was a positive. But, he did not follow that appraoch to it's logical conclusion: Pan-Africanism. I have taken it one step further: a Unity of ALL Africa, including north Africa, including Suez, Sinai, Gaza, all of Palerstine and All of the Arabian Peninsula, up to the Tgris-Euphrates River, the natural dividing line between Africa and Asia. Know what? I discovered that The Bible, Prophesy of GOD had already told us thousands of years before now, that this the what it is all about.

Knowing that many here are too lazy to read seriously or even watch a video pertaining to facts and truth, I will quote directly the relevant verses from The Bible:

8. Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
9. And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
10. A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.
11. The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12. (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.)
13. The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.
14. The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
15. The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden

(MyBST - Interactive Bible Study - Christianity.com)

Now, this discussion can really get interesting. I hope. More likely, the big mouth liars will all run and hide, now.

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