Addutruth:
I think your taking it in the sense that we're attacking Islam and what it teaches, I'm not. However what I'm saying is that the Arab Slave Trade is fact. It occurred for almost 14 centuries. You can even look on wikipedia and check out the references, previous posters have provided books and other people to look at also.

Be Blessed

True True.

Prove it.

What I actually think is that the notion of an Arab slavetrade is a fabrication to disminish the reality of the European slavetrade, thereby letting the real enemy off the hook. I do not deny that pre-Islamic Arabs held slaves. Not do I deny that pre-Islamic Africans held slaves. But, these facts in no way change the reality of the trans-Atlantic tradesaleve that impacted us here in America. The simple truth of the matter is that there is no other such example in history comparable to the crimes that were inflicted upon us during the trans-Atlantica slave trade. thus, we see no descendants of African slaves in any Arab or Muslim country. This is so obvious that it it slaps one in face. Of the slaves who were held in pre-Islamic Arabia, many were Asians and Europeans. Thus, they have all merged into larger Arabs socisty and culture without zany meaningful trace. At a minimum, this means that there was no "racial' discrimination associated with slavery in pre-Islamic Arabia and Africa. It makes no real sense to discuss a so-called Arab slavetrade. It can only be considered propaganda, a thinly disquised form of anti-Arabism/anti-Semetism.

So you look at the North of Africa, Libya, Egypt and so on and think that the African peoples who once lived there upped and left happily leaving their homes to well meaning Arabs?.... and what do you think of the mass murders in Sudan and their attempts to steal the land from the peoples there?

Surely if you're prepared to blind yourself to something right infront of you you should think twice about helping the arabs ideals of some kind of Pan Arab/ African unity. If I can tell that the Arabs are just as racist, if not worse than the europeans I'm sure you've noticed something isn't quite right yourself.

You're either for or against, which is it?

Geezus...I'm sorry, but you're a phucking idiot. I don't know why people waste their time with you. The reason there isn't a large Diasporic African population in Arabia is because they castrated all the men and the children born to the Africana women sex-slaves were systematically killed at birth!!! These were hundreds of millions of African souls that perished before the trans-Atlantic slave trade was even a thought. In fact, the only reason we Africans couldn't defend ourselves from Europeans is because of the relentless torment that fragmented our societies with endless misery by Muslims draining us of much needed energy and resources to fight off any real threat to our civilizations.

It is interesting that the Congo and Central African basin successfully waged war against the European invaders until another wave of Arab-Islamic attacks weakened their ability to secure their land, ushering in perhaps the most brutal years of slavery to Central Africans the Continent of Africa may have ever seen.

abd,

you are digging the hole deeper and deeper dude. stop and take a look at all you have said dude. look at what you are defending and the big picture you try to exude as your mission. you are slipping into darkness as War once put it.

I am use to being ganged up on. So, let’s get it on. The more the merrier.


There are all shades hues and complexions of Africans all over Africa, including the North. In the North some have fair light complexions. Some have brown complexions. Some have very dark black complexions. In the North, complexions overall are relatively lighter than they are in other parts of Africa such as Congo. But, even in such places as Congo, we have a significant representation of brown skinned people.

As for the South, a casual observation shows that most people are not black in complexion. The tribes in Azania, South Africa, are mainly brown, not black. The case is most clear in Madagascar where many of the people are very fair in complexion.

I have said many times that it is a mistakes to attempt to analyze Africa in terms of skin color. I repeat it here again. What defines an African is not so much skin color but rather his relationship to the continent of Africa. He people of North Africa are indigenous to Africa. By their being relatively close to Europe and Asia, they have mixed with white Europeans and yellow and brown Asians since times pre-historic. And, many of these mixed tribes have migrated over the ages to other parts of Africa, thus, we have brown skin people in the South as well as in all other parts of Africa.

and what do you think of the mass murders in Sudan and their attempts to steal the land from the peoples there?

In Sudan, there is a conflict over resources mainly water and oil. This is not a “racial” conflict. It is not about ethnicity and religion as both sides are Muslims. There is little ethnic difference between the two sides. And, there is absolutely no color differences: both sides are black.

Well, actually. Only a fool would think that other cultures are the same as the Euro-American racist culture. To think such is to demonstrate one’s ignorance. We cannot claim that the Japanese or Koreans, for instance, are the same as Alabama crackers because Alabama crackers are descendants of slave holders, whereas Japanese and Koreans have never held African slaves. The same is basically true of Arabs. Every Arab sees himself as a descendant of Africans because he traces his lineage back to Mother Hagar (Peace and Blessings be upon her) who was an African. So to an Arab, it is not about skin color. He claims Africa because GOD gave him Africa according to The Bible. Based on The Bible, both Arab and Berber and African claim common brotherhood.



Takes one to know one.

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I don't know why people waste their time with you. The reason there isn't a large Diasporic African population in Arabia is because they castrated all the men and the children born to the Africana women sex-slaves were systematically killed at birth!!!

Yeah. Makes perfect sense. Why didn’t I think of that? You know something, now that I think about it; this would explain why there are no cotton fields in Arabia also. All of the slaves were brutally murdered at birth. So, the Arabs did not have any slaves left over to do the hard work. This is why they had to import their cotton from Sudan and places like that. Man! You must be a genius! I think you ought to write a book about this. You would certainly have a bestseller. Boy! You sure are really, really smart! When you die, you should donate your brain to science. Err, rather makes sure you donate it before you die. Because after you die, you will not be able to do much donating.

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These were hundreds of millions of African souls that perished before the trans-Atlantic slave trade was even a thought. In fact, the only reason we Africans couldn't defend ourselves from Europeans is because of the relentless torment that fragmented our societies with endless misery by Muslims draining us of much needed energy and resources to fight off any real threat to our civilizations.

No do do?

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It is interesting that the Congo and Central African basin successfully waged war against the European invaders until another wave of Arab-Islamic attacks weakened their ability to secure their land, ushering in perhaps the most brutal years of slavery to Central Africans the Continent of Africa may have ever seen.

No do do?


Well, well, well. My old friend Meknow. How is Mr. Muhammad getting alone? You should bring him in on the kill.

Anyhow, it is good to have you here because you is an expert on The Bible. I want you to show these here geniuses where it says in The Bible that Arabs all descend from an African named Hagar (Peace and Blessings be upon her). They might not believe it if I say it. But you is an expert. I am sure they will believe you. This way, they will understand that these people were in Africa since before Biblical times. In fact, Genesis 2:8-16 has this to say:

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
garden Gen 13:10
eastward Gen 3:24

9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
every tree Ezek 31:8
tree of life Gen 3:22, Rev 2:7 Rev 22:2, Rev 22:14

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
Havilah Gen 25:18

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
Hiddekel Dan 10:4

15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
tree Gen 3:2

no Joseph as there was no Moses. It is all allegorical fiction.

You need to read

"The African Origin of Civilization" by Cheikh Anta Diop

Reading is fundamental

Theres your Cress Theory explained.

Personally didn't mention anything about skin color by the way, that was your assumption, theres an African populace missing from the North of the continent and its obvious.

The Arabs in North Africa would describe themselves as being Arab or as in Egypt attempt to stake claim to the history of the land they have taken from the native peoples there. Its ridiculous attempting to deny history like you are, the only reason you're doing so is to avoid any conflict with your beliefs, the Arabs war on the continent is well documented, the Arabs purchasing of African peoples is ongoing its not some loose story with no evidence to back it up.

You're denying something as you are is ignorance in practice, hardly the humble servant of god all of a sudden I notice. The least you (and other black muslems) could do is confess to there being a problem rather than coon out and continue to hamper progress on the continent and the diaspora.

[quote]Now you say African. Previously you said black African. It is so nice to see you grow a little. But, there is still room for improvement.


Okay. Let me take this real slow so you can keep up. Who are the "native people"? Where did they come from? What proof do you have that they are "native people"? How do you define "native people"? Do they speak Arabic? Or some Bantu language? Can you prove that Bantus ever inbabited most of Egypt.

Do not the current inhabitants qualify as "black Africans"? They certainly have black skin color to some degree. In fact, Egypt has all skin colors. So, to me your issue is simply a matter of ignorance and stupid racism.

Prove it. That is all I ask. Put up or shut up.

Yaeh. Spaeking of which, my Place of Prayer has just recently started a project to bring Islam to Benin. (Announcing Project Benin - Front for the Unification and Development of Africa and Arabia | Google Groups) Soon, the Voodun state will be Islamic. What kind of lies will morons cook up then?

Yeah... its called Jihad isn't it? Thats your aim, you know fool well what is happening in Africa as it has been for the past few thousand years, I'm not going to post pictures and accounts of people being held as slaves in their own countries. You're no diffrent than a neo colonialist claiming to be ''doing good'' for the continent whilst hoping to profit from it all selling out to the highest bidder converting people to Islam by force if nessary all with plenty of backing by what ever Hyena has its d!ck up you're ass.

So just to clarify.... what do you think of the Arabs taking Egypt in 639-41 and their continued aggression toward African peoples in the North since that date? Rather than me skim over this thread and repost the information on the history of the Arabs war on the continent and barbaric treatment of the people they held why don't you provide proof otherwise? As said I don't want to post pictures of the victims of those countries.

Would also be good to know what you really think of us African people since you've half offended us with your slur up there you may as well get on with it and do it properly like a man not some weak half breed.... I think you're an idiot, a thinly disguised wolf in sheeps clothing setting up projects backed by sweaty Arabs and blind converts, projects that will fuel the Janjaweed while they murder African women and children... there... your turn....