I will again use an saying I heard not long ago that is attributed to Ghandi speaking to a Christian missionary. "I like your Bible, I like your Christ, but your Christians I don't like."

I agree whole heartedly with what one of the world's great men said about my belief. There is nothing wrong with the Teachings written down and given to the adherents of Christianity nor can fault be found with the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Much effort has been put into discrediting the Bible and Jesus with no success.

But the fault that can be found with Christianity can and will be found with the "christian church". Those who profess to be Christians. We do more to keep the world from recieving the truth than Satan ever could.

False leaders, false professors, luke warm believers, carnal believers who are still caught in the lure of the worlds system and thus under the power of satan are the reason that islam is growing along with many other false beliefs as well as atheism. The vast majority of Jehovah Witnesses (a cult) come straight out of baptist churches who do not do a very good job of teaching the doctrine of Christianity but rather dwell on emotionalism and recieving another blessing.

In our prisons where the strength of the black race is being quenched islam (NOI) is taking hold of the young black men who will be further poisoned with hatred and blame against others rather than being shown how to over come and restructure the family which is the life of a people.

I visited two prisons Sunday and found young men and women who were ripe for mind games. But better still also ripe for being heralds for those whom they will soon come in contact with to avoid the pitfalls of being incarcerated.

But Jehovah God being truth itself told us that it would be as it is.

Christianity's biggest problem is self-righteousness from within the Body of Christ (the Church).

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu 'alaikum. Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

The verse above is obviously referring to 'those kings who are bold enough to seek The Kingdom of The One GOD.'

To call yourself a Christian, would mean that one is, or, is seeking to be the Christ/Messiah. So, there is certainly something wrong with the Bible's New Testament translation. All "Christians," presently, should be well on their way to become the Christ. But instead, Christians languish in the false assumption that The Prophet 'Issa [Jesus, PBUH] was nailed to a cross and shed blood for the redemption of their sins, and they need do no more than wait for Prophet 'Issa [Jesus, PBUH] to 'return.' Christ will 'return' to dwell in those whom have purified themselves, as The Christ. These "purified ones," are mentioned in the verse above, re: kings.


005.014 وَمِنَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّا نَصَارَى أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَهُمْ فَنَسُوا حَظًّا مِمَّا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ فَأَغْرَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاءَ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَسَوْفَ يُنَبِّئُهُمُ اللَّهُ بِمَا كَانُوا يَصْنَعُونَ
005.014 From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. Al-Qur'an, 005.014 (Al-Maeda [The Table, The Table Spread])


Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.


Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.



Wassalaaam. OriginalBM

OM:
I don't want this post to be too busy so I did not copy your response but I will respond to it. First of all I know you are a reasonable, I have read your postings here. So I know that you know the danger of taking things out of context. It would be very easy for me to take a sura out of the koran and misapply it to make a point.

Even with the koran being 'revised' every so often circumstances arise where suras can be misappropriated. You would then advise me to read the entire set of verses to understand what was being said by either muhammed or the revisors.

This is the case of the verse you selected to make a point. The verse was a part of the interpetation of the dream of King Nebchadnezzar. This was a dream of a heathen king being interpeted by a man of God.

I won't go into the text of it. If you choose go and study it and see if God missed it. Go see if He just used Daniel to trick the king or see if Yahweh does know the thougths and intents of the heart as the bible says. even of a heathen.

The bible does not in any way imply that believers should see themselves as messiahs in any place. Remember that the bible is easy to study and understand because it is not periodically changed to meet the present standards like the koran. there fore you don't have to worry about us changing something that we fear you will use again the bible to upset the core doctrines.

Please read the book of Daniel in it's entirity and I will be glad to chat with you on what it means. Lots of prophesy there OM.

Oh and those two verses you mentioned at the end are awesome. some of my favorite. thanks

tradtional forms of African worship with a mmodern twist is the way to go both christianity and islam are so obviously biased against black people in all its entirety

can you give some examples of Christianity's bias against black people please.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. Salaam/Peace.




Just remember that you said those words, not me.



Wassalaam. OriginalBM

How many places have you found that said yet?

Have you found any thing that you could even twist to be interpeted as God telling believers that we are messiahs?

I won't argue your book. I will ask questions when I don't understand what is said. But I will not make baseless assertions or assumptions about it. If I do then please show me my error.

But I will virgorously challenge any thing that is attributed to the Bible that is not true. I am sure that you can understand that and if not then please refrain for making assertions that are not true and do a little more asking of questions.

I value the bible and have studied it all my life. But, Christianity has strayed so far from the teachings of Jesus that I no longer consider myself a Christian. I am in good company, since even Jesus never referred to himself, or any of his disciples, as Christians. "They were first called Christians in Antioch", which was not until after Jesus had ascended back to the One.

I figure, if Jesus had wanted to give his belief system a name, he would have done so during his three year ministry. All the current excesses of Christianity -- Christmas, Easter, Sunday sabbaths, popes, once saved always saved, praying for military victories, praying for NBA and NFL victories, and the marriage of Church and State ---- these are all errors that got grandfathered in after Jesus left this earth.

They ought to change the name from Christianity to Constantinity.

Bismillaah. Salaam/Peace. Meknow, read the works of author James Morgan Pryse.
I would say that you should read "The Apocalypse Unsealed" & "The Restored New Testament." They have the information that you're looking for.


Wassalaam. OriginalBM

I agree wholeheartedly with those observations istlota. it is true that these things have crept into the teachings of Christ. I too am very appalled and disappointed at where the chruch has gone. "The church has gotten worldly and the world has gotten churhy" and it is hard to tell the two apart much of the tyme. But istlota I am the more convienced of the bible because He told us that it would be so.

In Revelation 3, the message to the present church age the Laodicean church. Neither cold nor hot but luke warm, good for nothing no commitment for the cause like unto islam, jehovah witnesses, even the church of satan is zealous about what they do. We say we are rich and possess goods, AND NEED NOTHING....He will spue (regurgitate, puke..) us out of His mouth or care (Word)

! Timothy 4 also speaks of the state of apostasy that part of the church has sank to. I concur with you over the sad state our faith has and will continue to sink to. Satan will press even harder which is why he told us in Ephesians to stand and continue to stand with the whole armor on.

Don't give up friend. Because a family member breaks the unity of the trust there would you leave your family. if a mistake is made at your job will you quit. someone make an error on your team and you lose a game will you quit them?

Take heart, we were told by God that it would be so. Being ashamed is a good thing. But not at Christianity, but at how some of us treat our faith.

I read a statement Ghandi made once. I have made it several tymes here. It is befitting of what you have said. Ghandi addressing a christian said, "Your bible I like, You Christ I like, but your Christians I don't like. Does that say anything to you?

be careful of what you accept of this fellow on Christianity. the second post above before it was edited is where he stated that the NT said that Christians should see ourlselves as messiahs. he change it to Christ after i challenged him to find the scriptures that said such. I can accept the edited version of the statement.