[quote]For the record: I AM A MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, proud of it.

The Nation of Islam is about the smallest example of Muslims in the entire world. Interesting that you would mention bean pies. At least they have enough sense to remember some of what Al-Hajj Elijah Muhammad tried to teach them. But, when it comes to learning about Islam, the Nation of Islam and the Moorish Science Temples are the last places one should look for knowledge and enlightment. At best, these two groups can be considered off-shoots of Islam. Most Muslims consider them to be outside of Islam altogether.

If you want to know about Islam, there are many very good webpages that give a good summary. Basically, as I have already said many times, just start by studying the Five Pillars of Islam. Do a google search. If you are too lazy to wiggle your index finger a little, you can learn a great deal on the internet. Plus, there are forums such as Aarbmatchmaking.com where good intelligent discussions can be held about Islam. Another good place to study is this one: Islam 101 (Islam 101).

I never said that Lincoln loved Africans. All I said was he is proof that not all Muslims who came to this country were slaves.

A good book is cool. But, if you cannot think clearly, you cannot learn much from books or anything else. What we need to do is learn how to think and analyze. That way, we can learn from sources without getting confused.

Keep in mind that all of the verses that I have quoted here so far have been taken from the internet. The big difference is I know what these verses mean. Some of us have no clear idea of what is being said and the damage that some of these verses do to Africans.

In the All-African People’s Revolutionary Party, we have a program in which we seriously study African history. This program can qualify a person to really know how to think through these issues, if the person take the program seriously.

For instance, back in the 1970’s, we studied Chancellor Williams. Soon, it became clear to us that Williams was actually causing more confusion than his books were worth. So, we had to remove his books from our study list. But, you know something: I am very glad that I had a chance to read those books because now I know what not to believe. But, some people are just too trifling and lazy to think. If it is not Chancellor Williams, it would be some other liar or fool.

I never really paid any undue attention to Nat Turner. But, I did learn that he had enough sense not to buy into that slaves-obey-your-masters non-sense.

You know something, that white woman who taught Brother Nat to read is not the first or the last white woman to know a real man when she sees one.

Well, I believe that GOD is Truthful when he told Moses that no one can see him and continue to live. Ever read the Books of Moses? Even Moses never “saw” GOD. All he was able to see was the Glory of GOD, not GOD.

Muhammad never “saw GOD. Revelation first came to Muhammad by way of an the Angel Gabriel. There were additional means by which Qur’an was Revealed to Muhammad. But, none of them involved Muhammad(Peace and Blessings be upon him) seeing GOD. Now, Saint Paul may have had spiritual experience in which he saw a vision, even a vision of Jesus. Or he may have had a vision of GOD’s Glory. But, every intelligent human being must know that Saint Paul never “saw” GOD.

What makes me “angry” is ignorance.

Al-Hajj Imam Malik Al-Shabazz (Malcolm X) explained this problem is very clear terms. What I am talking about is this "hate" you worry about so much.

Brother Malcaolm said there were two kinds of slaves on the plantation, a house slave and a field slave. The house slave ate high on the hog. The master would give him left over bacon and ham. The house slave did not have to work hard. He would cook breakfast for the master, sweep a couple of floors and dust the coffee tables. Then he would go sit on his fat behind and take a nap until lunchtime when tyhe master came home to eat.

The house slave loved the master. If the master's house caught on fire, the house slave would be the first running to get water to put the fire out. If the master caught a cold and started coughing and sneezing the house slave would say "What's the matter master? Are we sick?" Are we sick? Can yo imagine such insanity? That is a slave who is out of his mind. Are we sick?

The other kind of slave was the field slave. The field slave had to work all day long in the hot sun. He would wwork from before day light until after sun down. When he got home at night to his wife, he was too tired to love his wife and children, much less love the slave master.

If the master's house caught of fire, the field slave was no where to be found. If the fiels slave did not actually sart the fire himself, once it got sarted, he would pray to GOD for a wind to blow and spread it into the work fields and burn down everything so he would not have to go to work for a few days. When the master got sick, it was usually because some field slave had sneaked some poison into his food. As some as word would get that the master was sick, all of the field slvaes would start praying "Oh Lord. Make sure that that fool dies. Please Lord. Do not let that fool wake up". See, the field slave hated slavery and hated the slave master.

But, I understand why some Africans love the master so much. But, I do not understand why the house slave do not understand why we hate the master so much.

There are too many house slaves running around today.

You are angry at ignorance abd. As long as you define ignorance as when people differ with you, set yourself for a long run with anger eating at you friend. A lot of the time shallow people misinterpet what they don't understand as ignorance.

Laziness is not refusing to read and accept your books that you confide in. It is simple being selective in your reading. Let me suggest that you read a book, by Smith Wigglesworth, any of them. Now in a few weeks if I find that you can not tell me anything the book promotes does it make you a lazy man?

And it is not my fault that you have not done a very indepth study of Nat Turner or Abe Lincoln. If you read the auto biography of Nat, you will see that his Christian faith was what kept him strong up to his death. Read it. And Lincoln used us for the sake of the war is all. Could that beconsidered laziness on your part to be making such statements that could be taken seriously by readers who may not be informed. Remember you hate ignorance and laziness.

You mentioned that the verses you quote are taken from the internet. Mine come from the bible that is lying right atop my desk. I use it daily. You say the big difference is that you know what they mean...hmmmm I would rather say that you know more about what they don't mean or rather think you do.

Abd the way the bible is set up is that nothing in it stands alone. The things you say that Paul is really saying should be readily found some place else. But it is not. You can not substantiate your claims. And you are too lazy to read and compare the entirity of Pauls writings but the rather try to discredit him with one or two verses taken out of context.

If you have to try and learn anything about me and all you have were statements that I had written earlier. Would you take just one and define me or would you try and take a battery of them and see if there is a trend? what would the lazy man do?

Oh and abd, also you made a statement that Nat did not go for the obey your slave master, well he did until he felt the time was to move. I have no problem with his valiant effort to fight his way to freedom and back home. His plan was brilliantly thougth out logistically. What he and Vessey did should have gone a long way toward telling white slavers that the soul of the African was not dead and that something should be done one way or the other. but....

And the white women statement is really not at issue especially today. I have seen at least 6 black women/white men couples just today in this southern town. So we see as always sex trumps racism usually.

sorry abd, I read Malcolm back in the 60s brother. Having lived in a southern state and town was and am well versed in this matter. I was able to see for myself and listen to the old men talk about the n's that could not be trusted and who would run to the whites to give them any tidbit they could just to curry some favor as being a good n$#%@. The book made me see what was really there.

I will never have anything for a snitch but I do remember having a conversation with an elder black man one day about the movement and change. He told me that every one had a purpose and a way of doing it. And that God oversaw it all. He knew my anger at snitches and bobble head n's.

He told me that all blacks could not have been like Nat Turner or we would surely have been eliminated. He said that the blood of the Turners would be needed for the latter days. I did not like it much then when he said it, but as I grew older I saw it.

You mention that I have a problem with hatred. You are certainly correct. Hatred is not a healthy emotion unless tempered. You operate in anger, I want nothing to do with you. I don't need to be angry at my enemy to defeat or destroy him. In fact if I can get him to become ingrossed in hate and anger I have an advantage.

And angry mind does not think clearly or rationally and can be most easily led into a trap. I do understand anger and hatred my man. And I do not operate in them. I also have been trained to make quick decisions on the spur of the moment. Anger and emotions are after the situation has been dealt with for me abd.

the field hand and the house slave are not very pertinent in todays atmosphere.

The division between us have been set in stone. If our survival depended upon anyone but God we black people would be long lost. the black haves are not much different that the white haves and for the most part will not support any legitimate movement that will not pad their stock options, the educated are so highminded that they can not even dispense the knowledge that they have obtained to those who need it and for those of us down on the "low end", we are consumed with the cares of the world; poverty, joblessness, drugs, just living.

And we are all calling each other names because we don't understand.

I take solace but not comfort in knowing that the bible tells me that these things must happen because men have grown wicked more and more and wisdom has inceased. Will I stop and give up, heck no God forbids it.

Believe what you will abd, this has all been prophesized in the bible.

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth
1 Tim 4:1-3 (KJV)

Christian say him nuh liike Muslim. Muslim dont like them neither. Funny since we adopt these religions thats when the religious conflict come.

Me. I just give thanks for the Sun of God.

I hear you bredder...

i just give thanks to he God of the sun.......

Peace!!!

[quote]Wigglesworth? Very Funny. I mean, surely you jest. I mean, you just gotta be joking. You have a much better sense of humor than I ever gave you credit for. Wigglesworth, indeed!

Look. All I asked you to do was "wiggle" our index finger on your mouse a little bit. Do a google search on the Five Pillars of Islam. Is that too much to ask? Go to this cite: Islam 101. What I call lazy is anyone who is too lazy to "wiggle" their index finger. Ignorant is anyone who knows nothing about 2.5 billion Muslims, 25% of the world's population.

Give me an ever loving break! Everybody and his brother knows that Nat Turner was a Christian preacher. This does not mean that he was not inlfuenced by his Islamic/African heriatge.

No do do? Well, what Lincoln did led to the end of slavery. He did it because brothers like Nat Turner and Tousaint L'ouverture were raising hell all over the slave states. Plus, all kinds of hell was going on in the Carribean and in Africa herself. Ever hear of Queen Nzinga? What about Samori Toure? What about Albert Cleage? By the time you get through reading these histories, I promise you that Wigglesworth and Whipplespoon and Hilary and all of the rest of them will be the last thing you have time to think about.

Set up? Now you on the right track. It is "set up". Set up to set us up.

Yeah. Sort of like this:

Colossians 3:22. Slaves , in all things obey those who are your masters on earth , not with external service , as those who merely please men , but with sincerity of heart , fearing the Lord . (MyBST - Interactive Bible Study - Christianity.com)

Want me to put in context? Do you really know what the word "context" mean? Well, here is some "context":

Ephesians 6:5 NAS Slaves , be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh , with fear and trembling , in the sincerity of your heart , as to Christ.

Now, that is two separate verses from the Epistles of Paul. Do you need more "context" than that? This is not rocket science, although you probably do not understand what those words mean.


No "buts". That is exactly what they did. In less than 50 years after Brother Nat did his thing, all USA slaves were emancipated. In fact, if memory serves me, Brother Nat rebelled in 1830's. The Civil War was in the 1860's. That is about 30 years.

Really? Remember your reference to Brother Nat and his white women? Man. I started studying slavery a long time ago. One of the first things I learned about slavery was how white women always managed to find their way into a brother's bed. Nothing new about this. In fact there are a whole lot of African genes in the white population. The only time problems arose was when the children were too dark to fool Mr Charley. If Mr Charley himself had a touch of the ole tar brush on him, he would probably think all those little nappy headed brown skin chillens in his nursery were his own.

I was watching Uncle Henry Louis Gates on PBS last night. I was NOT surprised to learn that nearly all of the African slaves had European ancestry. Neither was I surprised to see that many of these slave descendants became free because their mothers were European. See, slavery is usually based on the children having the same rights as the mother. So, if the mother is a free white European woman, the children were free whether they were black or not. A lot of them were black.


It would probably do you some good to read him in the 2008's. Read Malcolm at least as much as you read Saint Paul.

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Did it help you see what you are by always complaining about us not "loving" peckerwoods?


You would be served well to avoid trying to psychoanalyze me. You know nothing about my angry. The only reason you keep throwing this at me is because you are too much of chicken shit coward to stand up for the African Nation. Calling me angry will not stop me from standing for what's right.

I am a contractor by trade. What most people do not understand about contractors is that we are also often salvage men. In other words, between contract jobs we some times go into the alleys and pick up recycleables such as aluminum and copper and iron, even cardboards. One of the most respected men of my childhood who a brother who made a living and started a real estate business by recycling cardboard. Salvage saves this country billions of dollars every year because everything we salvage and recycle do not have to be imported.

Yesterday, I was salvaging an old vacuum cleaner from an alley next to a Christian Chruch. One of the preachers came running up telling me not to do that. I almost cussed him out. But, I remembered you, dude. I held my cool and asked him who he was talking to and what he was atalking about. I politely informed him that I was his equal and a grown man. And, that by his being a man of the Christian cloth and all that, he had better not show me too much "anger" and act in a duly respectful manner, if you follow my drift.

To make a long story short, Uncle Reverend lost all cool. He apparently had illusions that he was some kind of a better man than I. When he realized that he had under-estimated me, he ran to his car and pulled out a 50-pound crowbar and.... And, a hammer. He started back towards me thinking I would loose my cool and run, I guess. When he saw that he had under-estimated me again he tried to hide his weapons.

Take you advice to somewhere else.

Moreso nowadays than ever. Why? Because as Brother Malcolm carefully expalined, the house neeeeeeeegrw cowards represents all of the Uncle Tom preachers who claim to be our leaders and spokesmen. They are the middle class teachers and policemen. The City Council memebers. But, especially the Uncle Jesse Jacksons, and Roy Wilkins, etc.

The field slave represents the everyday ordinary African who works for a living. The working class, the maases. These are the true forces of revolution in this country, Africa and the world. These are the people that are supporting Brother Barack. I am not ashamed to be identified with field Africans who have anger management issues. I say it loud and clear I HATE evils such as slavery. I HATE the way Israel is murdering Arabs in the Middle East. I HATE the way 600,000 Iragi women and children have been slaughtered. I HATE the way hundreds of thousands Congolese women have been raped as a weapon of war while the Bush Gang try to make us think that Arabs do this to blacks. I HATE the way you so-called Christians always give me a hard time because I have a Muslim name and am not ashamed to use it in public. I could tell you what I HATE all day and half the night. But, frankly, I prefer talking about something else.

Maybe your Christinaity is what keeps you going. It is my Islam that keeps me on track.

See, Islam keeps in in touch with our African Motherland. So, when things get too hot here, I always have a place to go to where I don't have to be "angry". all the time. I find love in Islam and Africa.

I am nearly 60 years old. I am in early retirement. Do you think I spend my time tripping off this non-sense called middle class values? Sorry. I do not. I went back to school to study business, finance, and technology. Why? Well, I just sent an email to Africa telling my comrades there that all that I have in terms of wealth and skills are at their disposal. Last semseter, more than one professor had the nerve to ask me why an old n-word like was so serious about soaking up all the knowledge and resources I can get my hands on. Don' I know uncle Sam takes care of old asses like me? Etc. Etc.

The short answer is I am not like no house slaves. I come from the field slaves. I love field slaves. Africa is my field. So, I am going to take everything that is not nailed down to Africa. This year, GOD-willin, I will fulfill another of my Islamic obligations. It is called Al-Hajj. Al-Hajj is the pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina. I have a friened there who went there and never returned. When I get there, I will make sure that I bring something the people need and can use.

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Whatever that means to you, cool. But, Islam is not a "departure from faith" no matter how much you and others try to make it seem that way. Islam is a return to the Old Time Religion of our ancestors. Period.

while i read the rest I will give you something to chew on right away. I am sure you will disappear for the night on this one though.

i normally right most of you phumery off as over zealousness. but tonight I will expose you as a liar unless you care to admit that you get carried away and put your tounge in gear before your brain.

i have a few 100 posts on here now so it should not be too difficult, but i challenge you to find even one post where i told you or anyone else to love anyone let alone a peckerwood. Just one abd.

not two or three just one.

see how easy a pig eating hypocrite like you can let your anger get the best of you now you will undoubtably come back with a i don't have time to find it, sure you don't because i am not your imam and love comes from within you. it is an action not a not an order.

you are kind of giving your self away here big time abd. When the soul is confident in it's source abd you can not help but love. I learned to first love abd from the study of martial arts. when I learned that nothing was impossible to me when i was in unisome with myself and not drawn aside I had two choices abd.

to become arrogant and callous, or to flow with the source and harmonize with God. I chose the latter.

I do love people abd. It is a choice that I make. You have to make your choice It seems as if you have. but if you are anywhere close to a good muslim who has studied the 5 posts or what ever I would think that one of those posts would be that you can not look within another man and be truthful with regularity.

As for me abd, yeap I can love a peckerwood. He can not do me any harm that I do not allow. I also love my people abd. Do you know that you and I have more to fear from our own race than we do from a peckerwood abd. yes there are peckerwoods that would rip your heart out the very second if they could get away with it.

Would you like me to read to you from our local news paper for the week so you can do a count on the white on black as oppose to black on black. But abd do you love your brother?

you hate whitey because you fear him. you fear him because you are given to being defeated by him and you accept it. what harm can he really do to you that you do allow?

yet you don't fear your brother and he is slaughtering you, stealing your goods, impregnating your daughters and leaving you grandchildren to fall into the pit that whitey is digging.

you don't know shyt abd, that's right shyt or ca ca. you are preaching hate, yet you say allah is not about hate. he may not be but you sure are hypocrit. if you are gonna be a hater don't hide behind a religion abd. that is why many people will not listen to religion now a day. we preach sappy stuff all the while practicing malice.

people want the real stuff abd. do you have it or are you just mezmerized by the crested moon and star? and the strange language.

now find where i asked you or anyone to long anyone. I have admitted that my portion is to love my enemy. i have no problem with that. you do.

find one post abd.

Now for the other part....

your little row with the preacher who does not seem much of one to me. that should have been pretty obvious to you, it sure does to me from just listening to what you said. but you bent mind on hating people who you have been taught to hate now has you talking shyt to me and i guess trying to get me to feel shaky. I love Jesus and under stand the principal of turning the other cheek.

to show you how stupid your philosophy has made you, i promise you that if you took all the rest of the shyt you are clap trapping about me being a coward and house boy and go search my posts you won't have an ounce of ink to support it.

your problem with me is a little deeper and you are too much of a coward to admit it. i have not said anything about being middle class. you know nothing about my lifestyle not to say that I am not wealthy which i am not in the sense of having abundance of it. I am blessed of God in all ways and have no worries. i am not afraid to share all i have and in no fear of going in lack. i have been taken advantage of and God has given me back seven fold and more in all cases.

I live what i preach bredder, and am in no way perfect. I do not drink or covent my brother's fine wives. the friendship, fellowship and trust of the brethern is worth much more than 15 sweaty moments. I turned 58 today sir. I went to work sick and did my job till I left. Not for the white man anymore than to earn my pay.

see instead of listening to me you have been trying to tell me what i am. nothing you said about the iraq war and the general condition of the government i disagree with. i think buhs ought to be tried for what he has done. once again you will not find one post that would support what you seem to accuse me of.

I am not yet supporting obama or any candidate. i will not support him just because he is black, not because a feminist billionaire is supporting him but i will because i feel he is the best man for the job. as if stands i can not support mccain because of his war views that support the mess buhs has made.

i will support obama if he can do more for me than make me be a part of a cheering crowd. after inaugeration and the cheering has stopped some things have to be done by whom ever is in office. he is making lots of hollow promises to a wide variety of people now. some things as also witht the other candidates are going to be very difficult to reconcile.

I really don't care what you think of me abd. but when ever you lie on me be sure bredder that i will call your hand until either you are seen for what you are or you learn to tell the truth, which ever you choose.

may the God of Abraham, Father of Jesus Christ open up your eyes of understanding that you may see clear what is before you and soften your stoney heart.

and by the way i probably would have knocked that guy on his ass also.

but are you saying that muslims are not stupid? he made an attack upon you for you being a good citizen for what ever the reason. are there muslims in the world who are committing such acts against the teachings of your said philosophy?

hell yes, so don't try to go all muslim holy as if Christians are the only stupid 'religious people on the earth.