Bro. Meknow, Most of What I Said WENT RIGHT OVER YOU HEAD but I should have Known all along. Also you seem to have this conflict psychology that when someone corrects you christian and muslim religionists about your belief system
the person doing the correcting is Mad At You All. That is So Narrow-Minded and
Short-Sighted. Now Let Me See Just How Much You Really Know about The Holy Bible and Christianity.
FIRST, of All THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN REALITY AS CHRISTIANITY. Neither
Yahshua ( Jesus/Iesus ) , Sha'ul ( Paul ) Or Petrah ( Peter ) WERE CHRISTIANS,
DID NOT FOUND SUCH A SYSTEM, AND TOLD NO ONE ELSE TOO, PERIOD.!!!!
Second of All, THIS INFORMATION IS IN YOUR OWN HOLY BIBLE IN THE BOOK OF ACTS. That book tellls You Where The HEBREW METAPHYSICISTS/Spiritualists
were First Called Christian At and By Whom. The peoples who created Christianity
OUT OF THIN AIR were Greaco-Roman Caucasian Peoples and This Tells Anyone That They Had No Organized Religious System Before Then.
Now If Yahshua, Mosheh, Petrah, Sha'ul and Other Were "NOT CHRISTIANS"
Then What Were They??? To anyone of Today's times This Question Should be extremely Important. Also All through the Torah Of Pharoah TetMoses Osarsiph
of On The Hebrew Israelites Were Told To Stay Away from The Other Peoples
Gods, Lords, and THEIR RELIGIONS For They Were Material And Spiritual Snares.
Also Yahshua DID NOT DIE To Save The Whole World . HE CAME ONLY FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND THIS IS IN HIS OWN WORDS SO WE
SHALL SEE HOW FAR YOUR PROFESSED BELIEF IN THE HEBREW MESSIAH REALLY GOES NOW.
American Hebrews do not Profess and have never Professed to know more than you or Anyone Else Just because We are Native Black Americans and Hebrews.
We Simply know our OWN STUFF AND THE RELATED NATIONS OF EGYPT AND SUMERIA.
NOW, What I Wish For YOU to Do for this Conversation/Christian Exposition to
Continue is To GET YOUR BOOK ( OUR BOOK ) and Go To Where The Information is About Where they Were First Called Christians AND Who Yahshua Said That He Came To Die For And Save And Tell Me EXACTLY where these Outstanding Verses
In The Hebrew's Own Words Are AT and Then I/We will Go From There With You.
Let's Try That.!!!

It may well seem that I have a problem when "corrected" on Christian matters. I really don't remember being "corrected" bredder, but rather given opinions from others who are opposed to religion and christianity.

We will get no where accusing each other of what we think the other thinks. So if you want to find out my opinion of how what you think about christianity then by all means come on with your posts.

And I will listen to your posts on Traditional African Religion and what ever and give you my assessments.

but you can not have it both ways bredder. If you do correct me then I have no problem accepting and thanking you for it. I am not as arrogant as some on here to think that I know everything. I certainly have an opinion on most and stay away from what I find trivial or out of my range.

You say you have corrected me and I would assume that you mean on biblical matters. Either you have no concept of what correcting someone on a matter is or you are totally ignorant of the bible and is doggedly aimed at making a fool out of yourself.

I can not correct your belief system by simply showing you mine and saying that your spokemen made a statement 1000 years before the bible spoke it. The bible quotes other writers and books to be sure. And even heathens had the knowledge of Good and Evil in their hearts. The problem is to whom they attributed power to.

Bredder i have no problem staying off "your" threads and anyone else's who is so what ever that they refuse to listen to my point of view. I call that cowardess. You come off as being an 'expert' on a matter that you detest and would have me believe that you can be objective on the subject.

I have no formal education except a while at Southern University in the late 60s but I am not ashamed to dialogue with you or anyone on what matters to me.

If I did say that you are angry with me it was a slip of the tongue. You are not angry with me at all, how can you be, you know nothing of me. But you do know what I preach and your anger lies there as well as with the target for what you believe is the cause of the down fall of our native land Africa. Your anger is at the so called White Supremacy, a ghost which you keep flailing at. This is exactly what those who were intent on being white supremacist in American early on but could not contain Righteousness. They could not contain the Truth. They could not contain the fact that men can not contain other men with out cost.

You poison our people with hatred against this ghost of what once was attempted. Even Hitler's attempt failed when this nation got crossed and were tricked into going against him. Strange that one of Hitler's biggest military blunder was in Africa.

You would do well to avert your efforts against "white supremacy" to uplifting black youth (the now generation) so that they can begin to see what it takes to be able to bring Africa out of the dust.

And you would do as well by getting the fractured countries in the mother land to become united in some sense and stop trying to psyche out those of us who are without that mother Africa is dead due soley to white aggression. Lying to us will not unite or cause us to register any symbolence of leadership.

bredder the two things you use in the last part of your post are evidence of how shallow you are in the bible.

1. What followers of Jesus were called and when is of no consequence at all to our belief...i dare you to show me where the name christian is of any consequence in what we teach as doctrine....i will give you a couple of days to research it.

2. You are at least 50% correct on Jesus initially coming to save His own people Israel. Now I will ask you (mr bible expert) if the bible predicted their rejection of Him (Old Testament)? And is there any place in the New Testament where is said that His death was for all men? I won't give you as long for that one...too easy.

I have made the statement all over this internet on different forums that anyone at any time can type in a thing and find someone who agrees or disagrees with it. I am sure that you can find a horde of those who refute African Traditionalism and Egyptian what ever ism...would you think. I do not even go there because it does not matter to me. I defend my belief with the bible, the book that God sent to me that is not only still suitable today but was in the olden days.

Just because you or any of the people you support or support you say that Jesus did not exist or peter or paul, you think that I am supposed to drop my head and poof up in smoke goes what the creater has shined light on in my heart. you are limping on a broken stick bredder, and you will fall.

answer the questions posed to you and we will go on......

and be assured that my posts are not an affront to you as a person but in defense of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who is the Author and Finisher of my Faith....be it known among the heathen and all the earth that He is King of Kings and Lord or Lords and there is none like unto Him!

Bro. Meknow. You are correct that I am not mad with you at all or Muslims or
Confederate Caucasians Either. I don't have to be . The doctrines, practices and peoples of these institutions and belief systems have well proven their worth.
Let me give you A LITTLE of my background and You will see why I am not angry with anyone at all. I am a REAL, PRACTICING, MOSAIC/MESSIANIC HEBREW ISRAELITE who follows The Ways, Customs and Practices Of Our Sumerian/Egyptian/West African Hebrew Ancestors ( Nile Valley-Mesopotamian Valley-West African Cultures ) from THE ANCESTRAL TRADITIONS.!!!!
The Torah and New Testament as Written in ARAMAIC as Opposed to Greaco-Roman Latin English Script Is Quite Different and Astounding. As You Know
In Judaism WE HAVE NO CONVERSION POLICY AT ALL so forget about me trying to challenge your belief system or change you from it. YOU SHOULD KNOW BY NOW THAT THE SECRET HAS LONG BEEN OUT THAT JUDAISM IS NOT A RELIGION OR THEOCRATIC SYSTEM BUT ONE OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT. What I am saying to Christians, Muslims, Hinduists, Buddhists and Brahmins is That You ALL OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. The Torah and THE ARAMAIC PESHITTA ( THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE MESSIANIC HEBREWS ) was a Ancestral System of MESSIAH CONSCIOUSNESS, MESSIAH SPIRITUALITY AND
ITS PRACTICES. Even the Holy Bible Teaches You That You cannot BE IGNORANT in The Name Of God ( Or Messiah ) but Christians and Muslims of The Koran go right on with such ignorance Because You have learned it from Birth up.
Furthermore I am NOT a Expert on The Aramaic Language System. I still have a lot to learn and a long, long ways to go. However, Being familiar WITH ONLY the
Elementary Parts of such a Vast System causes One to understand the great Difference between Knowledge and Ignorance Both Materially and Spiritually.
However I am not going to DEBATE and TEACH You at The Same Time. I asked You To answer Two Questions and You ask me two questions.!!!
MMMyyyyy Dear Good, Good, Good Brother MeKnow. This is NOT the way to answer the questions that I posed to You. Give me The Very Verses that I asked you to give to me and THEN We will move On from There. Now, I am Not so Dense That I cannot Learn from YOU too BUT We Have Not Reached that Point yet. Let Us keep the Horse Before The Philosophical Cart here.
This could turn out to be something edifying for both of us and others on this forum as well but let us OBEY the traffic Signals on our journey here as well,
My Brother.
Shaleom El-Hetep.!!!

You have called me ignorant and unknowledgable about the bible. I responded to you and asked you questions to be clear what you asked.

now you respond to me telling me what you are.

what does that have to do with what you said the bible says or does not say?

If you will quote the bible sir then be willing to support your statement. If you make a statement that is not biblically true be very sure that I will bring it to your attention.

if you will attack christianity and do so within the confines of the bible you better be sure to quote correctly and not take anything out of context. And by taking out of context I do not mean agree with what I say but there are at least two other scriptural sources in the bible to support it. This is what keeps the bible in context and not as vague as some would make it to be.

Okay we don't hate each other and you are a black hebrew.

now tell me what does the word christian have to do with bible doctrine?

and tell me whether or not the bible says that the salvation that Christ Jesus brought first to the Jews was openly offered to gentiles or not.

You have a very long discription of who or what you are. A lot to remember there. Are you sure you covered everything that makes you comfortable? I know you won't like this question at all but as you chided the use of christian, I will ask you this bredder. Where is this description written in stone or on a wall or is it one that like in the book of acts you contrived to make you feel good about what you want to be? In other words is this a man made discription or is it from on high?

I don't think I have tried to convert you whether you have a 'conversion system' or not. I am just replying to silly rhetoric against my belief system. And if you will read or check my posts you will find that I have said more times than you will care to admit that Christianity is not a religion but a life style. In fact you will notice that more times than not I spell christianity with a small "c". As you know the word simply means 'a follower of Christ'.

Christianity is not a religion i reinterate but a way of life a practice. It is unfortunate that some of the faith act and even teach other wise.

here is a quote from your post:>>>What I am saying to Christians, Muslims, Hinduists, Buddhists and Brahmins is That You ALL OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.<<< Don't know about the others you mentioned but I would like to know what it is that I am not in knowledge of that we have discussed. I certainly don't know what God was doing the day before He created the universe and other things like such, but in the realm of what we have discussed I believe that I am sound on what I have discussed. And if you have studied the bible with an open mind I have no doubt that you may have seen a truth in script that I may have not seen as yet. heck even satan can quote the bible, ask EVE.

The Aramaic Peshitta is nothing that is known to me. If it opposes what the bible says especially in respect to the messiah then it is of no consequence as you have said about the NT. I told you that there are religions being invented as we speak. If I had the nerve to make up one I guess I would use "The Counsel of God", as my book. what do you want to bet that that topic has not already been used?

I have gone through this very thing with the muslims on the language and translation. let me ask you a question. how do you approach a person of another language and express your belief to him or her? hey let me teach you a new language. God ordained the variety of languages when He confounded men at the Tower. trying to bring men under one language is asinine and hopeless try as you may.

I explained to you that 1. Christianity is of no consequence to the truth of the bible brother and 2. that Jesus did come to save the lost sheep of Israel and that as prophesied they rejected and he opened salvation to the "other sheep".

I will humor you in another post.

NOW, What I Wish For YOU to Do for this Conversation/Christian Exposition to
Continue is To GET YOUR BOOK ( OUR BOOK ) and Go To Where The Information is About Where they Were First Called Christians AND Who Yahshua Said That He Came To Die For And Save And Tell Me EXACTLY where these Outstanding Verses

1. First called Christians:

19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. 20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus. 21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord. 22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch. 23 Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord. 24 For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord. 25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: 26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:19-26 (KJV)

Root: from <G5547>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 9:493,1322
Part of Speech: n pr m
Vine's Words: Christian


Usage Notes:

English Words used in KJV:
Christian 3
[Total Count: 3]

from <G5547> (Christos); a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ :- Christian.

—Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary


2.

1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.


5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

He fortifies them against persecutions
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. 24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. 42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Matt 10:1-42 (KJV)

BFN:

I am thick skinned enough, but I must admit that your throwing around so loosely the word ignorance has jabbed at me not because of ego, but because not only you but most who are anti christian think themselves more up on the bible than we who do put time and effort into the study of It.

You loosely toss out stuff that are so far off the beaten path of christianity until it sometimes does not seem worth the effort of responding to it. I realize this as a mistake the same as christians who are not well versed because they are either too lazy to study or are 'babes in Christ'. Either way there has to be a measure of patience with them as I will have to have with those like you.

One of my weaknesses is a hatred for arrogance or the appearance of it. I am by no means an unlearned man (although I know what I don't know, which is more than some so called scholars know) yet I try as best I can to come down to the level of those who may be beneath my knowledge (not become as they are) and try to communicate with them.

The harness and crassness and down right nastiness of some of the posters on just these threads will keep the people who probably most need to ask questions. I dare say that if I needed to know something that I would ask most on here in fear of being castigated for my lack of knowledge.

but I enjoy pecking with ya'll and defending my faith. notice that I am not attacking your's, I only ask questions. someone accused me of playing the my God is stronger than your god thing. not so. When I know that there is but one God, why would I argue something so inane?

Sorry for coming at you so hard sometimes but I am human too believe it or not. in fact my wife just chewed me out for getting up last night and looking to see if you had posted.

To Bro. Meknow. This Is Bro. Hebrew32kush, Also Known As Black Federal Nationalist. I Will Respond To You Some Time After April 5, 2008 As I Will Be And Have Been Very Busy Preparing For An Upcoming Meeting. That Is Why I Have Not Posted On Bn Village For Some Time Now.
Also I Would Like To Extend My Deepest Apologies And Considerations For Your Inconveniences As What We Are Discussing Is A Very Serious Matter ( I Did Not Call You Ignorant Nor Do I Think That You Are Either. I Said That Some Christians And Muslims Are Ignorant Of The Background To Their Professed Scriptures And Belief Systems . I Did Not Single You Out Or Anyone Else.!!! ).
Again I Hope That You Accept My Apologies For Your Inconveniences
And I Will Respond To You As Quickly As I Can From Scripture And Records. Until Then My Brother, I Will See You And God, Nature And The Messiah Bless You Always.!!!
Bro. Hebrew.!!!

not a problem brother. names do not move me one way or the other. communication is VITAL.