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June 2000
Reader’s Digest
Is The Bible True>
Jeffery Sheler

From the Book
The archeological team had been tolling through the hot summer, excavating the ruins of the ancient Israelite city of Dan in upper Galilee. Gila Cook, the team surveyor, was carefully, drawing the stone-paved plaza and walls outside what had been the city’s main gate.

Now, as the rays of the afternoon sun angled across a recently exposed wall, Cook noticed something odd. On the exposed tip of one of the wall’s basalt stones, letters were inscribed.

Cook called to team leader, Avrahim Biren of Hebrew Union College in Jerusalem. AS the veteran archeologist knelt to examine the stones, his eyes widened. “My God!” Biran exclaimed. “We have an inscription!”

The stone was identified as part of a monument , or stele, from the ninth century B.C. It apparently commemorated the king of Damascus’s victory over two enemies: the king of Israel and the House of David.

The reference to David was a historical bombshell. Never before had the familiar name of Israel’s ancient warrior king a central figure in the Old Testament and an ancestor of Jesus’ according to the New Testament been identified in ancient records outside the Bible.

Skeptics had long argued that David was a mere legend. Now, at last, there was an inscription written not by a Hebrew scribe but by an enemy of the Israelites little more then a century after David’s presumed lifetime. The 1993 discovery seemed to corroborate the existence of King David’s dynasty and, by the implication, the man himself.

The unearthing of an inscription or artifact can shed new light or cast a shadow on a scriptural passage. Yet in extraordinary ways, modern archeology is affirming the historical core of the Old and New Testaments, supporting key portions of crucial Biblical stories.


Age of the Patriarchs
The book of Genesis traces Israel’s ancestry to Abraham, a monotheistic nomad who, God promises, will be “father of a multitude of nations:” and whose children will inherit the land of Canaan. God’s promise and Israel’s ethnic identity are passed from generations to generation from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob. Jacob and his sons the progenitors of Israel’s 12 ancient tribes are forced by famine to leave Canaan and migrate to Egypt.

Modern archeology has found no direct evidence to confirm the Biblical account. Yet scholars like Barry J. Beitzel, professor of Old Testament and Semitic languages at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School of Deerfield, IL, are not surprised. There are “family stories” of an obscure nomad and his descendants, Beitzel says, not geopolitical history of the type one might expect to find preserved in the annals of kings.

Kenneth A. Kitchen, an Egyptologist and Orientalist now retired from the University of Liverpool in England, maintains that archeology and the Bible “match remarkably well” in depicting the historical context of the patriarch narratives. In Genesis 37:28, for example, Joseph, a son of Jacob, is sold into slavery for 20 silver shekels. That, notes Kitchen, was the precise going price of slaves in the region during the 19th through 17th centuries BC, as affirmed by documents recovered from what are now modern Syria and Iraq.

Other documents show the price of slaves rising steadily during later centuries. If the story of Joseph has been dreamed up by a sixth-century Jewish scribe, as some skeptics suggest, why doesn’t the figure cited ,that the slave price from that time period? “It’s more reasonable to assume that the
Biblical data reflect reality,” Kitchen says.

Flight from Egypt
The dramatic story of the Exodus of God’s delivering Moses and the Israelite people from bondage in Egypt and leading them back to the Promised Land of Canaan has been called the “central proclamation of the Hebrew Bible. Yet archeologists have found no direct evidence outside of the Bible to support this story or that Moses even existed.

Nahum Sarna, professor emeritus of Biblical Studies at Brandeis University , says that the Exodus story, tracing as it does, a nation’s origins to slavery and oppression cannot possible be fictional. No nation would invent for itself and inglorious invention of this nature,” unless it had an authentic core. Notes University of Arizona archeologist William S, Dever, “Slaves, serfs and nomads leave few traces in the archeological record.” The dating of the Exodus has long been a source of controversy. The Book of 1Kings 6:1 gives what appears to be a clear historical marker for the end of the Israelite sojourn in Egypt. “In the 460th year that the Israelites came out of the land of Egypt, in the 4th year of Solomon’s reign over Israel he began to build the House of the Lord.” However, that date does not fit with other Biblical texts or with known Egyptian history.

Sarna and others argue that the time span cited 480 years should not be taken literally. “It is 12 generations of 40 years each.” noted Sarna. Forty “is a rather conventional figure in the Bible” frequently used to connote a long period of time. Viewing the 1Kings chronology in that light is a theological statement rather than as pure history the Exodus can be placed in the 13th century BC in the days of Ramses II, where it finds strong circumstantial support in the archeological period.

Jesus
During the past four decades spectacular discoveries have produced data corroborating the historical backdrop of the Gospels. In 1968, for example, the skeletal remains of a crucified man were found in a burial cave in northern Jerusalem. It was a monumentus discovery: while the Romans were known to have crucified thousands of alleged traitors, rebels and robbers, the remains of a crucification a victim has never been recovered.

The bones were preserved in an ossuary a strong box for the burial of crucified bones appeared to be those of a man in his mid to late thirties with evidence that his wrists may have been pierced with nails. The shinbones appeared to have been broken perhaps corroborating the Gospel of John 19:32, 33 “So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and the other who had been crucified with him.”

It has been said that Roman executioners usually tossed corpses of the crucified into grave or left them on the cross for scavenging animals. With the remains of a crucified contemporary of Jesus found in a family grave, however, it is clear that the Romans sometimes permitted an internment consistent with the Biblical account of Jesus’ burial.

While building a park 2 miles south of the Temple Mount in 1990, workers discovered a hidden burial chamber dating to the first century, which contained 12 limestone ossuaries. On one, bearing the bones of a man in his 60s was the inscription “Yehosef bar Qayafa” Joseph son of Caiaphas.”

Experts believe these are the remains of Caiaphas, the high priest of Jerusalem who according to the Gospels, was involved in the arrest of Jesus, interrogated him and handed him over to Pontius Pilate for execution.

A few decades earlier, during excavations at the ruins of Caesarea Maritina, the ancient seat of Roman government in Judea, a stone slab bearing a badly damaged inscription may have read “Pontius Pilate, the perfect o Judea, has dedicated to the people of Caesarea a temple in honor of Tiberius.”

The archeological record is silent on much of the Bible’s history. But archeologists are convinced that a lot more evidence still lies buried in the sands of the Middle East waiting to be found.


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Watch this. The Bible is as real as you want it to be. Especially on Sunday.

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indeed Son/Sun Day has absolutely nothing to do with worshiping the most HIGH GOD.---that is an everyday quest!

This movie confirms everything I've read so far about that bogus book and its nefarious, twisted connection to "the Lying Lore of Christianity" a phrase coined by Dr. Darkwah who culled the saying from Gerald Massey.


QUOTE=Bredder Tukoma;1461546]Watch this. The Bible is as real as you want it to be. Especially on Sunday.

Download Zeitgeist: Episode 1 for Free. Watch Zeitgeist: Episode 1 Online with Other Documentary Films and Free Movies.[/quote]


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Though they be far and few between we once again find ourselves on the same side fine.

Sunday or anyday matters with God, for He is God on each day and expects us to be true to the Word on what ever the day.

This is what Jesus was trying to get over to the Pharisees when He and the disciples were hungry passing through the fields and they plucked a few ears of corn to eat on the sabbath.

We most certainly know that Jesus could have fed them without the law being in question had He chose to. But this was an excellent tyme to teach them. Jews (orthodox) today still insist on keeping the sabbath (rest). I wonder if they would seek shelter if the flood was rising?

Jesus made this plain, that the sabbath was for man and not man for the sabbath.

come on fine, Jesus is an awesome teacher. He is also the Son of God. Unique and none like Him is all the earth.


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[quote=Fine1952;1461553]indeed Son/Sun Day has absolutely nothing to do with worshiping the most HIGH GOD.---that is an everyday quest!

This movie confirms everything I've read so far about that bogus book and its nefarious, twisted connection to "the Lying Lore of Christianity" a phrase coined by Dr. Darkwah who culled the saying from Gerald Massey.

Yes Fine. Glad to see you escaped the matrix. I think the beauty of that video is that it condenses so many facts in simple format. After all it is simple. All these people trying to make real ancient *******ised legends and symbolism/ in real history.

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indeed Son/Sun Day has absolutely nothing to do with worshiping the most HIGH GOD.---that is an everyday quest!

This movie confirms everything I've read so far about that bogus book and its nefarious, twisted connection to "the Lying Lore of Christianity" a phrase coined by Dr. Darkwah who culled the saying from Gerald Massey.

Yes Fine. Glad to see you escaped the matrix. I think the beauty of that video is that it condenses so many facts in simple format. After all it is simple. All these people trying to make real ancient *******ised legends and symbolism/ in real history.

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bogus book, nefarious, twisted, lying lore....real history.

well bredder tuk....who you to know what is real and what is *********ised legends and symbolism against 'real' history.

wuz you dere bredder or are you takin someone elses word fer it?

magin' dat...

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Bro I didnt need to be "there". But when the symbolism and story of Jesus appears thousands of yers before he was supposed to of lived what do you expect a reasonable man conclusions. It always amazes me that African people throughout the world were so quick to take on the religion of their oppressors.


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Bro I didnt need to be "there". But when the symbolism and story of Jesus appears thousands of yers before he was supposed to of lived what do you expect a reasonable man conclusions. It always amazes me that African people throughout the world were so quick to take on the religion of their oppressors.


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brother tukoma, it is called prophesy. God does that.

Christianity does not belong to any one race tukoma, let along the oppressor.


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Notyhing to do with prophesy and all to do with facts. Heru in kemet had 12 disciples/ was born on Dec 25th/ was conceived through immaculate conception and also had the three kings heralding his birth. A full 3000+ years before the false era of Jesus Christ.

Next you'll be telling me it was prophecy for us to be enslaved so we could receive the Bible. The older I get the less tolerant I get with this rubbish. Its not personal mind you.
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Notyhing to do with prophesy and all to do with facts. Heru in kemet had 12 disciples/ was born on Dec 25th/ was conceived through immaculate conception and also had the three kings heralding his birth. A full 3000+ years before the false era of Jesus Christ.

Next you'll be telling me it was prophecy for us to be enslaved so we could receive the Bible. The older I get the less tolerant I get with this rubbish. Its not personal mind you.
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that is why it is a choice to believe or not believe. this is not the crusades or inquisition anymore. and God never meant for anyone to be forced to believe the Gospel.

go ahead and believe heru or not. your choice tukoma, but don't try and tell me that I am brain washed because i do. my choice bredder. i tolerate you, you tolerate me. what ever you think 'first cause' is, is your business. if you don't think there is a first cause then there isn't.

every tub has to sit on it's own bottom bredder...


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that is why it is a choice to believe or not believe. this is not the crusades or inquisition anymore. and God never meant for anyone to be forced to believe the Gospel.

go ahead and believe heru or not. your choice tukoma, but don't try and tell me that I am brain washed because i do. my choice bredder. i tolerate you, you tolerate me. what ever you think 'first cause' is, is your business. if you don't think there is a first cause then there isn't.

every tub has to sit on it's own bottom bredder...
Bro...who said anything about being brainwashed. Your're making your own extrapolation there. My friend.. Fine started a topic which we both contributed to. In fact you contribute to refute his claims. So if you are prepared to indulge in converstaion/ debate/ argument about said topic where does toleration come into to it. This aint about whether you have a right to follow Christianity. This is about the factual correctness of Christianity. Now it it hurts your sensibilities to hear Christianity being spoke about this way/ not my problem. If you want to discuss the points myself and the author of the thread brought up then its all good and Im happy to. In fact Ive started a thread on this related subject// our discussion/ and a recent experinece led me to ask the qusetion. So dont feel its no back door snipe at you. Because it aint.

But please meknow /dont beg victim status. I dont usually indulge in these types of discussion because I aint out to convert those who are firmly set in belief.

However if you want to discuss the finer points of our respective positions then I will be glad to indulge you. Such as the fact that 3000 + years ago our ancestors carved the story of the astronomical principle that was Heru in a temple/ before Jesus was even a name..you say prophecy.. I say.. who was they prophecising about. They were not speaking about any future revelation/ they were dealing with the origin of things in the present (their present). So dont see how it can be prophecy my friend.

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no crying victim here bredder. you don't conclude me brainwashed...good. i will converse with you on the matter of christianity. because you do not trust in Christ does not bother me. you are not unique at all.

say what you may bredder, it changes not one thing toward my belief not the fact of what the truth is.

bredder it is becoming clearer and clearer to me that the more men think they know the further they really are from the actual truth.

it just really depends on what side of the square we are standing on as far as the truth goes.


It is much easier to believe in nothing that to trust in a system of belief wouldn't you say?

i don't rattle easy brother. I have chatted with white bigots who have said some pretty aweful things about Jesus friend. so me doubt that you can say anything that would make me blush.

prophesy already told of these times. what did heru say about the latter days? or did it say anything as such?

what do you think about God making the claim that israel would never be destroyed and that they would return to the land of canaan?

One thing that facinate me is that the US is no where in latter day prophesy. When Russia and china and african nations come against israel there is no one there to help her. i wonder where America will be?

that would be a good jumping off point. what about america and latter day bible prophesy?


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