Was going to post this in the other thread questioning the African athiest but this is the second time I've had to typr this only to loose it to this shabby version of windows mobile.

Anyway, understanding that the three main religions are centered around an out of Africa story, the myth of Moses and the mistreatment of the Israelists (diffrent in the koran) under an evil African leader, a story that hasn't been verified in any other accounts of ancient history and contradicts itself by ''borrowing'' from North African texts and ideas whilst continuing to preach an out of Africa theology. Can the followers of these religions then consern themselves with African prosperity? Understanding that there are beliefs that are just that, beliefs but the three main ie; most popular religions have over time become institutions of their own, the spread of christianity brings the church with it, brings the west with it... the spread of Islam brings the Arabs and their institutions and culture with it and so on.

It is also telling that these people upon studying religion indepth and entering debate about their origins seem to have a problem agreeing that they come from an eariler African scripts and teachings, can they then call themselves African centered in thought or is it a contradiction?

Brother Black Lion, I tell you as I have several others. The story about Moses and The Israelites are NOT Fictitious at All. The Stories have been distorted by foreign peoples who got them thousands of years after the facts. The Caucasians/Arabs/Indo-Oriental Peoples. The First Distortions about this particular subject was began by Africans Ourselves as the Tel El Amarna Letters
and Other Canaanite Scripts Shows.
The GIST of that Whole Matter was The PHAROAH TETMOSES OSARSEPH and His BATTLES with THE PHAROAH RAMESES ( The Ramesses Line of Kings ). The Pharoah Moses was a CANAANITE as Was The Rest Of The Hebrew Israelites
of CANAAN-SYRIA Called HYKSOS by The Egyptians And Sumerians. It simply meant the Rulers of A Foreign Land That land being None other Than CANAAN
though they Colonized North Egypt for A while. That CANAANITES Are /Were BLACK PEOPLES of AFRICA/ASIA is Well borne out by the Anthropological/Archaeological Evidence. The Hebrew Israelites were those Canaanite Peoples, The Children of Abraham, Who founded their OWN PHAROANIC DYNASTIES from Nile Valley/Mesopotamian Valley Culture and This is what has survived in Political/Religious Doctrines Down to Our Days and Times.
The Distortions have been for Political, Religious, Ethnic, Tribal Geographical And RACIAL Reasons for sure. Every Politics, Science, Religion, Industry and Economic System on The Face of This Earth is Afro-Centric In Some Shape, Form and Fashion No Matter whose hands it is in and how it has been colored and distorted over time.
My Brother. That Is The Facts.!!!

First and foremost, there was no Pharaoh named Osar-seph. That was the account of Manetho over 1,000 years later trying to appease his Greek masters as they had invaded and conquered Egypt. The Greek establishment, believe it or not, was heavily in favor of the Hebrews/Jews and so demanded justification for their story of an Exodus out of Egypt. There isn't a single shred of evidence of any Egyptian high noble with the name Osar-seph ever existing, let alone leading the Hebrews out of Egypt for that matter.

Further evidence of this distortion of Egyptian record to accomodate the Exodus story is resident in the Jewish Historian, Flavius Josephus', writing. In the work The Africans Who Wrote the Bible by Dr. Nana Darkwah, it details how the only account Egyptians had of a Hebrew/Apiru/Habiru people were as savage nomads living in the Northeast delta who had to be taught by Egyptian priests how to keep themselves clean as leprosy was rampant amongst them. Dr. Darkwah then notes how Josephus didn't find the Egyptian account very prestigious, so they massaged what they wanted out of their conquered peoples' historic record.

I have a hard time believing anyone claiming to be African-centered who has endorsed any Abrahamic religion, or even Hinduism. The Hebrews were not an African or "Black" people. They were White Supremacist Indo-European/Semitic nomads who looked down on African people. I tend to agree that most of the wisdom precepts in the Bible have their origin in Africa, particularly Nubia, Ethiopia, and Egypt, but that has little to do with their distortion and devoidance of African essence once being culturized by Semitic/Indo-European peoples.

If the Hebrews were an African or "Black" people, then here are a few examples of things that would have never been written by them:

Here is what the Babylonian Talmud (supposed written about 700 BCE) says which is the origin of the Hamitic curse:

"Because you have abused me in the darkness of the night, your children shall be born black and ugly; because you have twisted your head to cause me embarrassment, they shall have kinky hair and red eyes; because your lips jested at my exposure, theirs shall swell; and because you neglected my nakedness, they shall go naked with their shamefully elongated male members exposed for all to see."

The second example here we must realize that the Latin term "Niger" was the derogatory word by Romans to denote African people. Here we have a man, amongst Jews/Hebrews who is singled out for being "black". If the Hebrews were of African descent then there would be no need to single only Simeon out for being so.

In the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. ~Acts 13:1

Then next example we have the Hebrew writer/prophet, Jeremiah, speaking on the peculiarity of an African's dark skin. If Jeremiah, or any of his Hebrew brethren, were in fact Africans or even slightly swarthy in complexion, then this statement would not have been made. The dark skin of the African (Ethiopian), which isn't always very dark, was so peculiar to the Hebrews, it was compared to the spots of the leopard.

Can the Ethiopian change his skin Or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do goodWho are accustomed to doing evil. ~ Jeremiah 13:23

My last example is of the writer/prophet Isaiah speaking of enslaving all the known great African/Black nations of that time. Why not the same sentiment for the "white" nations of Persia/Assyria, Hitti, Greece, and so forth?

Thus says the LORD,"The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush And the Sabeans, men of stature,Will come over to you and will be yours;They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains And will bow down to you;They will make supplication to you:'Surely, God is with you, and there is none else,No other God.'" ~Isaiah 45:14

not christianity...

not black centered, not white centered, not yellow centered, not brown centered...

23 These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.
Prov 24:23 (KJV)

21 To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress.
Prov 28:21 (KJV)

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?


8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
James 2:1-9 (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 10:34 (KJV)

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Acts 10:35 (KJV)

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 2:11 (KJV)

6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Gal 2:6 (KJV)

25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
Col 3:25 (KJV)

hmmmmmmm!!!!

Bro. Shemsi En- Tehuti. Let me tell you something my brother. Always try to be objective and not subjective. WE ( I mean Afro-centrists, nationalists and pro-blacks ) have to stop subscribing to THE THEORY that Our Egyptian And Sumerian Ancestors WERE A PERFECT PEOPLES AND JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK THEY NEVER DID ANYTHING WRONG.!!!!
That is NOT THE TRUTH and has badly damaged The Modern Black Educated Mind as well as The Pro-Black Mind.
Second of All, THE WARS BETWEEN THE BLACK AFRICANS AND THE BLACK ASIANS
WERE TRIBAL-ETHNIC WARS, NOT RACIAL AND THAT IS WHAT THE EGYPT-SUMERIA-ISRAEL WARS WERE BASED UPON.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who do you think that the White Man and The Indian Arabs LEARNED HOW TO FALSIFY RECORDS FROM. US ( OUR ANCESTORS ).!!!
Yes, Our Own Ancestors in Egypt and Sumeria also Falsified Records FOR TRIBAL AND ETHNIC REASONS FOR POWER AND CONTROL . THE WHITES AND INDIANS CAME BEHIND THEM AND DID IT FOR RACIAL DOMINATTION PURPOSES.!!! YOU ALL ( WE ALL ) NEED TO WAKE UP.!!! THAT IS THE CAUSE OF A LOT OF TRIBAL-ETHNIC STRESS AND WAR STILL GOING ON IN AFRICA AND ASIA
ALONG WITH THAT OF RACISM AND COLONIAL DOMINATION.!!!!!!!!!
Third of All, Every Anthropological Historian That CAN BE RELIED UPON from
Prof. Cheikh Anta Diop, Josef Ben-Yochanan, Gerald Massey and Gary Greenberg
has provided overwhelming evidence as well as discussion that The Biblical King Moses was in Fact THE OSARSEPH OF ON.!!!!
The CANAANITE RECORDS THENSELVES are Fairly New having been discovered at Tel-El Mardikh in 1964 and the start of interpreting them began only in 1974.
I discussed this issue IN A THESIS to Bro. Yao-Heru Tehuti of The Afurakaat
Nation of North America who holds to Your Views also as well as with some others.
NOW I WILL ASK YOU TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE WE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE ANY LONGER.!
MY THESIS IS BASED UPON THE ANTHROPOLOGICAL, ARCHAEOLOGICAL, ETHNOLOGICAL, TRIBAL AND LINGUISTIC EVIDENCES. THERE IS MORE TO BE ADDED IN SOME OTHER AREAS THOUGH. HOWEVER AS I HAVE NOT YET GOTTEN
A ANSWER BACK FROM ANYONE TO DISPROVE IT I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOK AT IT AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I AM SAYING.!!!!!
GO TO: American Pharoahs,
AmericanPharoahs : Hebrew Israelites In The Americas ; AND SEE MESSAGES NOS.
5 AND 4 ( In That Order, 5 and 4 ).
YOU MAY ALSO COMMENT BACK TO ME AND CORRECT ME IN ANY WAY THAT YOU MAY SEE FIT BUT FROM EVIDENCES ONLY, NOT OPINIONS.!!!!
PLEASE REVIEW ALL OF THE EVIDENCES FIRST BEFORE RESPONDING.!!!
Looking Forward To Hearing From You Soon and Peace, Love and Shalom El-Hotep.!!!!!

there is a Thread of Truth that runs through every people, nation, tribe and man. That people, nation, tribe or man either adds to it or takes away from it. but it can never be quenched because it is eternal....