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http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/100_Prop hecies.htm
Genesis
God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17
As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Yet in just a few verses (4:16-17) Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. 4:12
God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14
How long was the Egyptian captivity? This verse says 400 years, but Ex.12:40 and Gal.3:17 say 430 years. 15:13
In the fourth generation they [Abraham's descendants] shall come hither again." But, if we count Abraham, then their return occurred after seven generations: Abraham, Issac (Gen.21:1-3), Jacob (Gen.25:19-26), Levi (Gen.35:22-23), Kohath (Ex.6:16), Amramn (Ex.6:18), and Moses (Ex.6:20). 15:16
God renames Jacob for the first time (See 35:10 for the first renaming). God says that Jacob will henceforth be called Israel, but the Bible continues to call him Jacob anyway. And even God himself calls him Jacob in 46:2. 32:28, 35:10
God promises to bring Jacob safely back from Egypt, but Jacob dies in Egypt (Gen.47:28-29) 46:3-4
The tribe of Judah will reign "until Shiloh," but Israel's first king (Saul) was from the tribe of Benjamin (Acts 13:21), and most of the time after this prophecy there was no king at all. 49:10
Exodus
God promises to cast out many nations including the Canaanites and the Jebusites. But he was unable to fulfill his promise. 33:2
In this verse God says he will write on the stone tablets, but in 34:27 he tells Moses to do the writing. 34:1
Deuteronomy
Misquote of Dt.30:14.
Joshua
Joshua (8:28) says that Ai would never again be occupied after it was destroyed by Joshua. But Nehemiah (7:32) lists it among the cities of Israel at the time of the Babylonian captivity.
2 Kings
In 2 Kg.22:20 God promises Josiah that he will have a peaceful death. But Josiah's death was anything but peaceful. (2 Kg.23:29-30, 2 Chr.35:23-24) <
Psalms
"David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel." (2 Sam.7:13-16, Jer.33:17, Ps.89:3-4, 34-37) But the Davidic line of Kings ended with Zedekiah; there were none during the Babylonian captivity, and there are none today. Misquote of Ps.40:6.Misquote of Ps.78:2.
Isaiah
The river(s) of Egypt (identified as the Nile in NIV, NASV, and RSV) shall dry up. (Is.19:5, Ezek.30:12, and Zech.10:11)
This has never occurred.
According to Is.19:18, there shall be five cities in Egypt that speak the Canaanite language. But that language was never spoken in Egypt, and it is extinct now.
Isaiah 17:1 says that Damascus will be completely destroyed and no longer be inhabited. But Damascus is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities and was never completely destroyed.
Is.19:18-21 predicts that the Egyptians will worship the Lord (Yahweh) with sacrifices and offerings. But Judaism has never been an important religion in Egypt. Misquote of Is.28:16.
"Henceforth there shall no more come into thee [Jerusalem] the uncircumcised and the unclean." (Is.52:1) But many uncircumcised people have visited and occupied Jerusalem after this prophecy was made.
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Jeremiah
Jeremiah prophesies that all nations of the earth will embrace Judaism. This has not happened. 3:17
Apparently, prophets that preach good news and tidings anger God. So he will kill them. 5:12-13
"The prophets prophesy falsely." Unfortunately, we're not told how to differentiate between the true and false prophets. 5:31
God will make Jerusalem "a den of dragons." 9:11
Judah will become a desolate den of dragons. 10:22
God complains that "the prophets prophesy lies" in his name. Does this mean that Isaiah, Daniel, and Jeremiah were all prophesying lies? 14:14
God will destroy by famine and sword those who are misled by the prophets, as well as the prophets themselves. 14:15-16
Matthew (1:12) lists Jeconiah as an ancestor of Jesus -- which, according to this prophecy, disqualifies Jesus as the
Messiah. 22:28-30
God finds some wicked prophets and priests. Like Jeremiah, maybe? 23:11
God says he is going to punish Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians for what they have done to his people -- even though God Himself is the one who made the Babylonians attack and enslave Judah! As part of the punishment God will take the land of the Babylonians and "make it perpetual desolations." A false prophecy, since present-day Iraq is quite occupied.25:12
God kills Hananiah for prophesying falsely. 28:16-17<
Matthew (2:17-18) quotes this verse, claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod's alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this passage refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (16 and 17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod's massacre. 31:15 Misquoted in Heb.8:9. 31:32
"David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel." But the Davidic line of Kings ended with Zedekiah; there were none during the Babylonian captivity, and there are none today. 33:17
God lies to Zedekiah again by telling him that he will die in peace and be buried with his fathers. But later (2 Kg.25:7 and Jer.52:10-11) he dies a violent death in a foreign land. 34:5
The beginning of the end for Zedekiah. Despite God's earlier assurances (34:5) that he would die peacefully at home, here Zedekiah watches as his children are killed and then has his eyes put out and he is shackled and taken to Babylon. Also, the city is burned and those remaining are enslaved. 39:6-9
All those who move to Egypt will die by the sword, famine, or pestilence. None "shall escape from the evil" that comes directly from God. But many, including Jews, have moved to Egypt and most seem to have escaped from God's promised evil. 42:15-18, 22
Jeremiah predicts that humans will never again live in Hazor, but will be replaced by dragons. But people still live there and dragons have never been seen. 49:33
God prophesies that Babylon will never again be inhabited. But it has been inhabited constantly since the prophecy was supposedly made, and is inhabited still today. 50:39
God says that Babylon will be desolate and uninhabited forever. He says that only dragons will live there. But Babylon has been dragon-free and continuously inhabited since then. 51:26, 29, 37, 43, 62, 64
God promised Zedekiah (Jer.34:5) that he would die peacefully and be buried with his fathers. But here we see that he died a miserable death in foreign land. 52:10-11
Lamentations
So the prophets are no longer hearing from God? Is that a permanent thing or what? 2:9
Prophets have vain and foolish visions. 2:14
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Ezekiel
God says, "The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision." So the days are near when all of the visions will come to pass? Hasn't happened yet. There's much left unfulfilled. Then, in the next verse, another falsehood: "For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel." As for "vain visions," the Bible is loaded with them, before and after Ezekiel's time. 12:23-24
Ezekiel Prophesies (in the 6th century BCE) that Ammonites will not be remembered any more. They continued to exist until the 2nd century CE. (And they are still remembered in the Bible.) 21:28-32
Ezekiel prophesies that Tyrus will be completely destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar and will never be built again. But it wasn't destroyed, as evidenced by the visits to Tyre by Jesus and
Paul (Mt.15:21, Mk.7:24, 31, Acts 21:3). 26:14,21
Ezekiel repeats the false prophecy of the destruction and perpetual desolation of Tyrus. (See Mt.15:21, Mk.7:24, 31, Acts 21:3). 27:36
Once more Ezekiel repeats the false prophecy of the complete destruction of Tyrus and its perpetual desolation. 28:19
Ezekiel conveys God's promise that Israel will reside in their homeland safely, never again to be tormented by neighboring nations. One need only look to the newspaper for evidence that this has not been fulfilled. Israelites continued to be scattered from the area and tormented by other powers, including the Romans and Turks. In the 20th century, they were given a large portion of their homeland back, only to have the recent residents (Palestinians) revolt. After that, the surrounding Arab nations invaded Israel, though they were turned back. Israel has had nothing near a peaceful existence, nor does it appear they'll enjoy one anytime soon. 28:24-26
Ezekiel makes another false prophecy: that Egypt would be uninhabited by humans or animals for forty years after being destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar. But there was never a time when Egypt was uninhabited. Humans and animals have lived there continuously since Ezekiel's prophecy. 29:10-13
Egypt "shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations." But Egypt remained an important and often powerful nation. During the Tulunid dynasty (868-905 CE), for example, Egypt was the center of a small empire and conquered Syria. 29:14-15
The rivers of Egypt (identified as the Nile in NIV, NASB, and RSV) shall dry up. This has never occurred. 30:12
Once again, Ezekiel prophesies God will protect the Israelites from invasion and plunder as a shepherd protects his flock. Again, we know this has not happened. 34:28-29
Daniel
Despite the knowledge that the writer of Daniel most likely lived well after the events he writes about, modern day Armageddonists, or Endtimers, use the vision of the four beasts to bolster their claim that the end is near. They say the lion, bear, leopard, and horned beast represent Europe, Russia, Israel and the U.S., respectively. And, in the battle between the ram and the one-horned goat, some believe this represents a battle between Christianity and Islam. For more information on the Endtimer's beliefs, visit this link page: The Ultimate Site on Armageddon, Apocalypse, Millennium,
Rapture, Doomsday, Tribulation and Revelation 7:3, 8:3-6
To many endtimers, these verses describe the coming Antichrist. However, it is more likely that they describe a tyrant king of Syria, Antiochus IV. He reigned around 170 BCE and persecuted the Jews, sparking the Maccabean revolt. This information gives even more credence to the train of thought that has Daniel's writer living in the second century BCE, than in the sixth. Which wouldn't make these verses prophecy; they would be contemporary history. 8:23-25, 11:21-45
If you want to be confused out of your gourd, check out The 70th. week of Daniel; Revelation Unsealed, By James D. Shade. This tries to link the time frame and descriptions in Daniel to the same type of passages in Revelation. 9:25-27
Hosea
"After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight." This may be the verse referred to in Luke 18:31-33 and 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.
However, Hosea 6:2 refers to the people living at the time (hence "us") who were to be torn up by God and therefore cannot be fulfilled by the the death and resurrection of Jesus. 6:2
The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad." Wow, Hosea and I finally agree on something! 9:7
"When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt."
Matthew (2:15) claims that the flight of Jesus' family to Egypt is a fulfillment of this verse. But Hosea 11:1 is not a prophecy at all. It is a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus. Matthew tries to hide this fact by quoting only the last part of the verse ("Out of Egypt I have called my son"). 11:1
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17-04-08, 11:55 PM
my my msfine, i am proud to see that you are reading the bible.
maybe as some point you may even begin to do some study of it.
lots and lots of holes in your inquiries not even worth mentioning.
jsut to show how off you are the very first one msfine.
Gen. 2:17...thou shalt surely die....then you go on to prove in Gen. 5:5..that he did die....I am truely confused msfine....what was it that you were trying to prove here.
but as i went on and continued reading it became abundantly clear that you have little if any grasp on the bible and it's teachings....look how easily you are confused....
if you need any help i will be glad to help out.....
oh and eve died also....
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19-04-08, 06:24 PM
Now that I am grown I have put away childish things ~ such as "believing" in a book as though it were a lucky charm.
I am happy pursuing my personal relationship w/GOD in Ma'at "The First AFRICAN GOD CONSCIOUSNESS" personified by my people, the first people.
However, know that I cannot take the credit for someone else's detailed research!
Unfortunately, I am not the one who needs helo.
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19-04-08, 06:58 PM
msfine you are something else....
what was all that legalese?
I am kind of skeptical about the use of "first African God..."
does that mean that there are more...?
you brought these questions to the table msfine. which is a dangerous thing when you know nothing about the bible.
you questioned adam dying and went right ahead and showed that he did. not my fault...most of the other examples can be as easily explained. some will take a bit of detailing but can be proven by a bible scholar of which i am not.
a point to be noted here msfine is that it would be kind of sillye for me to try and disprove the book of matt to you. i know nothing about it. for me to try and say matt did or did not do something is well....i think you get my drift.
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24-05-08, 12:35 AM
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you questioned adam dying and went right ahead and showed that he did. not my fault...most of the other examples can be as easily explained. some will take a bit of detailing but can be proven by a bible scholar of which i am not.
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Now I've heard it all, now I recall why I prefer to spend time cutting my toenails than visiting the forum. So you managed to highlight that Adam died..... eventually.....after 930 years? on the flip side, nowhere does it suggest that Adam was an immortal.
What about.... Isaiah
The river(s) of Egypt (identified as the Nile in NIV, NASV, and RSV) shall dry up. (Is.19:5, Ezek.30:12, and Zech.10:11)?
Lets wait until 3750 A.D for this to eventually happen. Then some bright spark will point this out also.
The world's full of them..... and you know it!
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24-05-08, 05:00 AM
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Now I've heard it all, now I recall why I prefer to spend time cutting my toenails than visiting the forum. So you managed to highlight that Adam died.....eventually.....after 930 years? on the flip side, nowhere does it suggest that Adam was an immortal.
What about....Isaiah
The river(s) of Egypt (identified as the Nile in NIV, NASV, and RSV) shall dry up. (Is.19:5, Ezek.30:12, and Zech.10:11)?
Lets wait until 3750 A.D for this to eventually happen. Then some bright spark will point this out also.
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usually this is what happens when you come in on the ass end of a conversation jay jay....Genesis
God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17
The scripture said that he would die. it did not say immediately only surely...so it took 930 years....who said he was immortal?
go chew some more toe nails off....time better spent for ya...
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Even after being born into a slave situation you have to submit to it. all those things are apt in the case of any race incog. I don't understand how you people can fear and be in such awe of the white man and stand here and tell us how great a people we are.
i have never feared or submitted to any person let alone a white man.
I like paul am a slave to Jesus Christ and no other. no preacher, no pastor, no pope, no bishop, no president, no one but Jesus and in being so I am as free as I ever have or will be on earth. i bow to no man, no system, nothing at the cost of my life.
no fear....
why don't the paranoid so called black nationalist stop preaching the awe of the white man and start teaching black people to look to themselves and be not dependent upon what condition the white man is in.
the power of the white is only as much as you give them. I am certainly glad I am not a seeker looking for liberation now a day. you will only be kicked further into the abyss listeing to people like you. white supremacy my ass...
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24-05-08, 06:59 AM
meknow - "the power of the white is only as much as you give them." - some would argue like letting them teach you about jesus....and where you'd be and what you'd be doing if they didn't....free perhaps.
I'm conceptual in my thoughts so for me all religions in the world convey more or less the same thing and feed more or less on the same human emotions including the fear you keep saying you don't have...for man anyway.
This to me makes it clear that religion is simply mans way of trying to claim whatever is 'up' there for himself. Ultimately I see this as an insult, whatever it is up there is too big for man and his petty labels hence spirituality. If man did not teach us about religion some of us at least would still be spiritually aware...indeed the same people that brought the world Christianity probably were the same people to label African spiritualists witch doctors.
There are people accrediting themselves with bringing jesus to Africa which brought africa into the light where they no longer live like savages in the bush.....and places where they still do live like primitives it's because jesus hasn't been taught there yet.
The lobotomised Christian, if it isn't the white man then somebody has a lot of explaining to do, or as Sizzla put it, all now they are still waiting for god to come from the sky.
Still, fundamentally I do draw a line between what religion is supposed to be and how it has been manipulated, guess the question is who defines what it's supposed to be...that link is promoting sodomism and S&M...and just like the war on Iraq or if you like the battle of jericho, it's all don in the name of jesus/god.
Imaginary friends can be anything you want them to be....in the case of the holy spirit, even if it is real, you still can only imagine it is real. What some people call jesus others simply call mother nature and just like yourself have no fear of man.
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