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02-07-08, 09:46 PM
Approximately 2,500 years ago, a group of Jews left Judea and settled in Yemen. The tribe was led by the house of Buba and we are told that this move was to facilitate trade. In Yemen they settled in a place and built a city called Senna 1. They were then known as the BaSenna (the people from Senna)
When conditions became unfavorable, and not being a historian, I can not give you exact details of what went wrong; but lets just say they could no longer call Yemen home. The House of Hamisi took over the leadership and led the people across into Africa.
Once in Africa, the tribe split into 2 sections: One group settled in Ethiopia and the other group went further south along the East Coast. They settled in what today is known as Tanzania/ Kenya and built Senna 2. Here they prospered and increased in numbers.
I'm afraid the travel bug bit once again and they were on the move. A small group went and settled in Malawi and Kenya. Their descendants are still residing in these countries up to today and are generally known as Ba Mwenye (lords of the land) The remaining group, under the leadership of the house of Bakali, moved on and settled in Mozambique. Here they built Senna 3. Even today, the BaSenna are found in Mozambique.
After many years, part of the tribe, now under the leadership of Seremane (which is the house I belong to); moved further south to settle in Chiramba in what is known today as Zimbabwe. They were known as the Ba-Lemba. Our people still live there up to today. Some of the tribe moved south again and eventually settled in South Africa ( Venda, Louis Trichadt, Pietersburg and Tzaneen). This story has been told to all Lemba children from the time they are able to comprehend. It is told so that we know where we come from, who we are and how we live. It is told and shall continue to be told/written so that future generations are not lost never to be found again.
Do I believe this: Oh Yeah! My father told me and, now there is scientific proof for the non believers: The lemba males posses the Priestly Cohanim gene on their Y chromosome (from work done by Jenkins and Spurgle -Wits University)
Old maps of the Holy Land have now revealed that there was a place called Lemba way back BCE
Which brings us to my generation! Pretty cool and interesting Huh?!
- We believe in only one God Nwali. He is the creator of all things. Over time, due to certain circumstances, a number of Lemba have been baptized as Christians.
- One day per week is considered holy: On this day we praise Nwali and thank him for looking after us. We teach our children to honor their mothers and fathers.
- Circumcision: We circumcise all our males. It used to be done in the home by chosen elders. The male was circumcised at the age of 8 yrs (did we get that wrong over time?) Nowadays, some do it in hospitals. There is a strong move to bring this back to the home.
- Dietary laws: We do not eat pork or any of the creatures prohibited by the Old Testament. We have our animals slaughtered by designated people and bled. We do not mix milk and meat ever in our meal planning. We wash our hands before we handle food or cooking utensils and we thank Nwali before eating.
- Calendar: We used to observe the moon to guide us in observing times. Everyone has a calendar nowadays.
- Burial: We have special burial rituals. Our graves are dug with a shelf on the side where the body is laid. The head must always face north where we have come from. Today, we put tombstones with a Star of David on them.
- Lembas are encouraged to marry other Lembas. A non Lemba woman can be instructed in the ways of the Lembas if she is to marry one. She has to learn the religious laws, dietary laws, etc. She may not bring any kitchen utensils from her maiden home to her new Lemba home. And she is to bring her children up according to the Lemba tradition. Sometimes she is asked to shave her head before being admitted to the Lemba home.
There are about 70,000 of us in Southern Africa. We know who we are. It would be grand if we returned to the broader global Jewish community. Even though we have safeguarded our traditions for this long, we do not want to risk losing them.
We all meet once a year for a cultural conference up in the Northern province. We are in the process of building a temple and hopefully a conference center. One of us who owns a farm wants to establish a kibbutz on the farm. We plan to get people to come and instruct us in Hebrew, teach us about Torah..... teach us what was lost along the 2500 years of having been separated from the main body of Judaism.
We are receiving help, support and encouragement in our project by a few good people, like Rufina Mausenbaum, Dr Shimon Wapnick, Dr Jack Zeller and Yaacov Levi, who will soon be joining us as our teacher. These people, together with organizations like Kulanu are in the forefront collecting books and siddurim.
Rudo Mathivha MD
copyright 1999/2000
There's so many things on this site I didn't know where to start so check it out and see what you think The Lemba People.
“If people around you aren't going anywhere, if their dreams are no bigger than hanging out on the corner, or if they're dragging you down, get rid of them. Negative people can sap your energy so fast, and they can take your dreams from you, too.”
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04-07-08, 07:02 PM
The word "Jew" was made up by FW Edwards (p. 195, "Africans Who Wrote The Bible" by Dr. Darkwah) for his friend Amedee Thierry in 1829.
Jews are thieves of the worst kind. They came thru the Lemba people rather than the other way around.
The fact that DNA now links the so-Called Jew ~ definitively points to the dominance of AFRIKA DNA.
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I have learned that there have been (3) diasporas or Exoduses out of Egypt. The one most important to the Jews is their pre-written and retro access "through" the Hyksos (e.g. pronounced hike-souse).
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Q. Do You Know Who The Hyksos Were?
In the 15th Dynasty they were an Asia-barbaric people that invaded Egypt and "temporarily" superimposed their own brand of crack I mean rulership over the ancient people known as Ta-Meri for 108 years -- that is, until Ahhotep1 ousted them(3) and reclaimed complete "domination" over his own land.
The word is Egyptian and means "invaders from a foreign land". They were known as "shepherd Kings"(4). They are the group that the so-Called Jews?Hebrews?Semites? [note: these words did not come into existence until 1829 when FW Edwards made them up for Amedee Thierry(1)] juxataposed themselve through.
They are an importnat group to know -- since it is they in which the model for the exodus was "designed". Historically (note: not biblically) there were 3 major exodus events out of Egypt (2). This, however, is the one the so-Called Jews used to explain themselves into the biblical version of his story.
I know Ahhotep1 existed because his mummy was discovered, but I am not too sure about the myth of Moses, but then that's another story to dissect on another day.
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1. You Tube
2. The Written Word:
1. "The Africans Who Wrote The Bible" by Dr. Alex (Nana Banchie) Darkwah
2. "The African Origin of Civilization" by Cheikh Anta Diop
3. "Egypt Revisted" by Ivan Van Sertima
4. "Sacred Woman" by Queen Afua
GOD IS in YOU 
Ma'at Works Thru YOU 
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Alkebulan is the 'Cradle of Modern Civilization'
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05-07-08, 07:53 AM
I think the archaeological evidence points to the Lemba, and Ethiopian Jews, being the Levites mentioned in the Bible, but were Egyptians (not Hebrews). Evidence of this is the fact that a city in Egypt to this day is still called Mallawi that means "City of Levi". Levi was a notorious Egyptian during the time of the 18th Dynasty just before the reign of Akhenaten. The city of Mallawi is actually directly across the Nile from where Akhenaten built his own capital city (Akhet-Aten).
Afrikans were simply the designated priests over the nomadic Hebrews, but were not Hebrews themselves.
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08-07-08, 07:49 PM
...is authentic where as the words Jew/Hebrew are not ~ but rather "retroactively"super-imposed back into the biblical text after 1829. The history of so-Called Jew/Hebrews who are connected with the DNA of the "original" Lemba tribe of Ethiopia is merely a confirmation to the fact that so-Called Jews/Hebrews came thru rather than before these Priests.
Therefore you statement makes sense:
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"...Afrikans were simply the designated priests over the nomadic Hebrews (e.g. Hyksos, my insert), but were not Hebrews themselves..."
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Q. What is your source for this information?
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Levi was a notorious Egyptian during the time of the 18th Dynasty just before the reign of Akhenaten.
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I think the archaeological evidence points to the Lemba, and Ethiopian Jews, being the Levites mentioned in the Bible, but were Egyptians (not Hebrews). Evidence of this is the fact that a city in Egypt to this day is still called Mallawi that means "City of Levi". Levi was a notorious Egyptian during the time of the 18th Dynasty just before the reign of Akhenaten. The city of Mallawi is actually directly across the Nile from where Akhenaten built his own capital city (Akhet-Aten).
Afrikans were simply the designated priests over the nomadic Hebrews, but were not Hebrews themselves.
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 The Sibyls: the First Prophetess’ of Mami (Wata) by Mama Zogbé:  :
Alkebulan is the 'Cradle of Modern Civilization'
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09-07-08, 02:47 AM
I also don't believe this crap about them being mixed-race. It just doesn't show in any of them. It only shows that they are the true descendants of the Israelites, who were apparently black.
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10-07-08, 05:44 PM
Once upon a time those who now call themselves Jews/Hebrews were indeed Africans.
Ironically they "still" carry Akan names (e.g. look to Ghana) without the melanin covering; while we carry our imposted slave masters names with the melanin covering. Dr. Darkwah addressd this point succinctly in 2000 thru his book "Africans Who Wrote The Bible" where he states that during the 1960s many of them were running around Ghana searching for the tribal roots of their names. They know. Hitler knew 2 ~ that is why he set out on a mission to rid the world of them (e.g. I do not condone his actions, however). They were coined the name Jew/Hebrew after 1829. WW! did not occurred betwen 1914 and 1918 - that would be 85 years latter by the Gregarian calendar. Actually this strategy didn't work - Jews have more control that most people think or know about. Their ability to manipulate history has been nefarious and malicious.
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I also don't believe this crap about them being mixed-race. It just doesn't show in any of them. It only shows that they are the true descendants of the Israelites, who were apparently black.
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13-07-08, 12:16 AM
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I also don't believe this crap about them being mixed-race. It just doesn't show in any of them. It only shows that they are the true descendants of the Israelites, who were apparently black.
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LOL...there were not "black" Israelites from Biblical times. If anything, the Bible states the contrary.
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13-07-08, 01:06 AM
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LOL...there were not "black" Israelites from Biblical times. If anything, the Bible states the contrary.
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are you willing to show where the bible says such.....? I know you left a big "if" out there...
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13-07-08, 08:04 AM
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LOL...there were not "black" Israelites from Biblical times. If anything, the Bible states the contrary.
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The Bible does state that the Israelites were black.
Read Jeremiah 14:2
Isaiah 29:22
Job 30:30
Acts 21:37-39
Acts 13:1
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14-07-08, 12:53 AM
@ The Chosen One & MeKnow
I repeatedly have demonstrated on BNV this very fact that the Hebrews were not "black", and no one successful rebuts the evidence. Most people never even try, because the evidence is just far too compelling. So forgive me, but I am about to copy what I have written already several times here below...
Here is what the Hebrew/Jewish priests wrote coming out of Babylon as their commentary on the Noah story in the Talmud:"Now I cannot beget the fourth son whose children I would have ordered to serve you and your brothers. Therefore, it must be Canaan, your first born, whom they enslave. And since you have disabled me doing ugly things in the blackness of night, Canaan children shall be born ugly and black. Moreover, because you twisted your head around to see my nakedness, your children's hair shall be twisted in kinks and their eyes red. Again, because lips jested at my misfortune, theirs shall swell. And because you neglected my nakedness, they shall go naked and their male members shall be shamefully elongated. Men of this race are call Negroes. Their forefather, Canaan, commanded them to love theft and fornication; to be banded together in hatred of their masters and never to tell the truth."
(Quotation taken from Hebrew Myths by Graves and Patai, from following original religious sources: B Sanhedrin 72a-b, 108b, B. Pesahim 113b; Tanhuma Buber Gen. 49-50; Tanhuma Noah 13,15; Gen. Rab 341.) Does this look like something an Afrikan would write? Probably not. However, this is just a warm up, let's get to the Tanakh and Bible. The first of which is about Ethiopians who range from all different complexions.
Can the Ethiopian change his skin Or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good Who are accustomed to doing evil. ~Jeremiah 13:23 If the Hebrew were an African or "Black" people, then they would not speak with such peculiarity about Ethiopian skin if their own skin was of significant color themselves. How much more disrespectful can they get than by comparing our distinct skin to the hide of animals?
Some people cite "leprosy" as a reason the Hebrews must have been "black", but fact of the matter is even the whitest Indo-Europeans and Semitic peoples don't have truly white skin. It would still be evident if the person was struck with leprosy. Then, we must deal with reality. For example, let's look at when the Hebrew god allows curses to come upon Job, one of them is the following...
My skin turns black on me, And my bones burn with fever. ~Job 30:30 Yeah, so if Job's skin turned black from a curse, then what color was his skin prior?...LOL. Here is the thing, if someone can use leprosy as "proof" that the Hebrews were "black", then this curse is just as valid to "prove" the Hebrews were "white". What this should mean is that such arguments are futile all together. Most Semitic peoples have somewhat of a tan or olive skin complexion, so again, being struck by leprosy (or even a blackness curse) would certainly be distinguishable.
Now let's look to the Song of Solomon...
"I am black but lovely...Do not stare at me because I am swarthy, For the sun has burned me." ~Song of Solomon 1:5-6 Now if the Hebrews were an Afrikan or "Black" people, why would the woman presenting herself to (the mythical) King Solomon demonstrate shame over her dark complexion if Solomon presumably had dark skin himself? The most logical answer is that the Hebrews weren't Afrikan or "black" at all, and so therefore looked down on us as demonstrated in the aforementioned scriptures.
The next example is of the Hebrews/Jews as late as the purported time period of Jesus during the Roman empire in Palestine.
"Now there were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul." ~Acts 13:1 Fact of the matter is that Simeon would not have been singled out for being a "Niger" (the Latin/Roman term at the time to denote people of African descent or Blacks throughout the Roman empire) if the Hebrews were Afrikan or "Black" people themselves. In all actuality, it would not have been a distinction at all.
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14-07-08, 06:01 AM
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@ The Chosen One & MeKnow
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