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14-11-04, 10:00 PM
They are focussing on boxing matches that had wide social implications and really had a big impact.
I saw the one with Joe Loius and Rocky Marciano and also the Rumble in the Jungle one.
Tonights one on the thriller in Manilla was excellent, they had interviews from everyone even the late Eddie Futch and Angelo Dundee. The way they desribed the fight and spoke of all the outside stuff that was occuring at the time was impressive. Ive seen all these fights on video but placing it in social and historical setting with all the background was so much more meaningful.
Has anyone else watched this series and what are your thoughts so far?
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14-11-04, 10:11 PM
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They are focussing on boxing matches that had wide social implications and really had a big impact.
I saw the one with Joe Loius and Rocky Marciano and also the Rumble in the Jungle one.
Tonights one on the thriller in Manilla was excellent, they had interviews from everyone even the late Eddie Futch and Angelo Dundee. The way they desribed the fight and spoke of all the outside stuff that was occuring at the time was impressive. Ive seen all these fights on video but placing it in social and historical setting with all the background was so much more meaningful.
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DM.......Now U tell us .........would have loved to have watched thisblkcry........now you've alerted me to the delights of the BBC Programme Scheduleniceone.gif.....I'll think I'll watch the remainder of HIGNFY followed by Match Of The Day2clp)......not a bad triumverate of successive programmes on the BBCniceone.gif
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14-11-04, 10:15 PM
My husband tells me we had a similar series to run here Drunk. I haven't seen it myself....sounds very interesting.niceone.gif
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14-11-04, 10:24 PM
@ CB
I kinda assumed everyone was watching, my bad I was too absorbed in it.
@ Ashanti
The people they interviewed and the way they told the story was very good. In the Louis v Marciano one and the one I watched tonight.
Do you remember the movie/doc when we where kings? It was like a version of that for these fights. Thriller in Manilla was as vicious as anything else I have seen but I loved it and enjoyed the breakdown they gave it here. Im always criticising the BBC because I hate the way they are funded but I must say that was a good series.
Oh yeah they also did a comparison between Liston and Tyson and a history and overview of both of their best moments and how Tyson wanted to emulate Liston. That was a good show too.
I wanna see one for Hagler and Hearns (favourite fight) but I suppose it wasnt as important or as widely watched.
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14-11-04, 10:48 PM
Just remembered they also did Joe Louis aginst Max Schmelling and how important THAT was for everyone. The whole build up and Nazism versus the 'free' world and the hypocrisy of that when Joe wasnt free at home. That was a good show, very educational.
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I missed when we were kings as well but have heard great things about that film.niceone.gifI have seen other docs that have examined sports and social issues in particular on HBO (can't recall the names) one was on African-Americans in sports and within this oneit highlighted the statement the brothers made in the 68 Olympics by raising their fists (to show their displeasure of the mistreatment of blacks in america) and if I remember correctly featured a young casius clay refusing to go to nam...etc...
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14-11-04, 11:04 PM
Ashanti there was another one LOL I dunno why I forgot to mention these to the forum but there was one on Jack Johnson and the hard time he had as the first black heavyweight champ. That was the setting they used to introduce Joe Louis and the comparisons began. Thats when they started the docs on Joe Louis.
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IM AM SHOCKED AT YOU ASHANTI!!! Such a sports fan and you havent seen when we were kings??? shame on you. Go rent it immediately.
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@ DrunkMonkey
LOL!
I know I need to get with it, ha!, ha!, ha! I will rent it for sure.niceone.gif
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15-11-04, 10:47 AM
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Seen all of them apart from last nights (taped it gonna watch it later) have to give BBC2 a big thumbs up for the series, was great to see sugar ray who ive never seen fight before.
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15-11-04, 02:59 PM
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Ashanti there was another one LOL I dunno why I forgot to mention these to the forum but there was one on Jack Johnson and the hard time he had as the first black heavyweight champ. That was the setting they used to introduce Joe Louis and the comparisons began. Thats when they started the docs on Joe Louis.
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Alot of these fights are on DVD now.
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Hagler /Hearns and Hagler /Leonard were great fights.
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But Ali was the best of the best.No Black athlete has achieved his stature worldwide.The first Frazier fight was an event of mammoth proportions.
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15-11-04, 06:15 PM
The fights are on DVD and I have a massive collection of video but BS the thing is they dont come with all that historical background and buildup. You just get the fight which is good but all the extras make it so much better.
NERD you never saw Sugar Ray Leonard?? It wasnt THAT long ago...
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16-11-04, 01:00 AM
Jack Johnson didn`t really have that much of a hard time compared to the other black guys around at that time........, he had the flash cars, women, money, clubs e.t.c.
he was know as a "REAL BAD N****R".........niceone.gif
A story about jack johnson was he got stopped for speeding one day and gave the police officer double the fine....."what's this for?" said the officer, Jack replied "i'm coming back the same way!!!!!".
Jack Johnson used to taunt the white guys during fights, then knocked them out, he then rubbed it in by bedding many white women...niceone.gif
after Jack Johnson, America wanted a docile N****R...., that's why they were pleased when they got Joe louis who did as he was told...."yes sir, no sir"
America repaid Joe Louis when he joined the army by treating him like sh*t.
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