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Yeah whatever. Listen you did the rght thing the first time in ignoring me. When i read too much BS similiar to your usual posts and most definately the last one, i happily go into obnoxious mode.

You already explained your liared self a thousand times, I guess the reason you came back for more is that you're actually more self-concieted and obnoxious than what i am. Not that this is any news to me though.

Gmahogany and Le Moor,you two are making me cry with laughter.



Please dont respond to this post though,I dont wanna get caught up in grown folks bizznizz.

Works in the same way that disqualification works - a transgression by one affects all. The team wins or loses as a whole.

Feel for the team-mates, but the world of track & field has brought this upon itself, and plenty have no sympathy for any. Life is the proverbial....

[quote=Le Moor;1440270]You are the liar. You have spent the last several days having a hissy fit over my statements about Marion's talent, but have the nerve to try to insult everybody's intelligence, and play it like you were KIDDING, lol. It's interesting to me that you keep accusing me of waffling(flip flopping back and forth between 2 opposing stances/positions), yet you can't tell me what 2 positions, I'm SUPPOSEDLY waffling between. You know why? Because you are full of shit. I haven't articulated any mutually exclusive positions. Little tip for the future, Life is often not, EITHER OR, but rather, BOTH AND.

I wasn't the one who came back for more, fool, YOU did,as u stated, I was IGNORING you.But, since it was clear to me that you were enjoying all of the attention I've been lavishing on you, and wanted some more, I decided to give to you. WHat can I say?, I'm a people pleaser.

So far, it looks like the other ladies on the gold winning team were clean,but, at least 2 of the other ladies on the team that won bronze with Marion, have also been busted for doping. The article below addresses that, and the Thanou chick.


LONDON (AP) - Even though she's handed back her Olympic medals, the shaming of Marion Jones isn't over yet.

International Olympic and track and field officials are prepared to wipe her name officially from the record books, strip her of her world championship medals, pursue her for prize money and appearance fees and possibly ban her from future Olympics in any capacity.

The IOC, which opened an investigation into Jones after she was linked to the BALCO steroids scandal in 2004, can act now that she has confessed and surrendered the medals.

"We now need to have the official process of disqualification and maybe other measures like non-eligibility for future games and so on," IOC vice president Thomas Bach, a German lawyer who leads the IOC's three-man disciplinary commission on the Jones case, told The Associated Press.

After long denying she ever had used performance-enhancing drugs, Jones admitted Friday that she'd taken the designer steroid "the clear" from September 2000 to July 2001. On Monday, she returned her five Sydney Olympic medals.

Bach's panel will make recommendations to the ruling IOC executive board, which next meets in December in Lausanne, Switzerland. IOC president Jacques Rogge could speed up the process by ordering a decision by postal vote before then.

Bach said the IOC also will consider whether Jones "should be eligible to apply for any type of accreditation for Beijing or beyond." That could mean that she would be banned from attending future Olympics — possibly for life — as a coach, media representative or any other official capacity.

The IOC probe also could spread wider to include other Olympic athletes, coaches or officials implicated in the BALCO case.

"The disciplinary commission is studying the whole BALCO file," Bach said. "Now we hope to finally get all the available documents, so that we can see whether maybe other people were involved and whether the Olympic Games are affected."

The International Association of Athletics Federations has authority over results at the Olympics, while the IOC controls the medals.

Jones won golds in the 100 meters, 200 meters and the 1,600 relay in Sydney, as well as bronzes in the 400 relay and long jump.

The IOC and IAAF are in the awkward position of seeing disgraced Greek sprinter Katerina Thanou inherit Jones' 100-meter gold medal from Sydney. Thanou finished second in the race.

At the center of a major doping scandal at the 2004 Athens Olympics, Thanou and fellow Greek runner Kostas Kenteris failed to show up for drug tests on the eve of the games, claimed they were injured in a motorcycle accident and eventually pulled out. Both later were suspended for two years.

Under standard procedures, the medal standings are adjusted so the silver medalist moves up to gold if the winner is disqualified for doping or other reasons. All of the other finishers also would move up a spot.

"I will not speculate on the outcome, but the general rule is the second-place finisher moves up," Bach said.

The IOC would need evidence or an admission that Thanou was doping at the time of the Sydney Games to keep her from getting the gold. Some have suggested leaving the gold medal position vacant.

"All we can say to the IOC is, 'Here are the revised results,"' IAAF spokesman Nick Davies said. "As of today, Thanou finished second. Standard practice says she should be moved up."

The IOC and IAAF also must consider whether Jones' relay teammates should lose their Sydney medals.

USOC chairman Peter Ueberroth said Monday the relays were tainted because of Jones' presence and all the medals should be returned.

"The relay will be decided according to IAAF rules," Bach said.

Davies said those rules clearly state that all members of a relay team should be disqualified. However, it's not clear whether that rule was in force at the time of the Sydney Games.

Jearl Miles-Clark, Monique Hennagan, Tasha Colander-Richardson and Andrea Anderson all won golds as part of the 1,600-meter relay team. Chryste Gaines, Torri Edwards, Nanceen Perry and Passion Richardson were on the 400-meter relay team. Both Edwards and Gaines have served doping bans since the 2000 Olympics.

But medals aren't the only prizes that will be returned.

IAAF regulations also allow for athletes busted for doping to be asked to pay back prize money and appearance fees.

Jones would have earned millions in prizes, bonuses and fees from meets all over the world, including a share of the $1 million Golden League jackpot in 2001 and 2002.

"The rule is there, and it's clear," Davies said. "You forfeit prize and appearance money. We will try to recover it, but I can't say whether we will actually recover it."

FOX Sports on MSN - Olympics - Jones faces further action from IOC, IAAF

This sucks!

Marion Jones' relay teammate Passion Richardson wants to keep bronze medal from 2000 Olympics - Olympics - Yahoo! Sports

it would appear that carl lewis too was previously implicated in failed drugs tests. an article on the bbc site from 2004, looking back always makes interesting reading in light of recent news.
Link - BBC SPORT | Athletics | America wakes up to doping nightmare


Last Updated: Wednesday, 9 June, 2004, 07:19 GMT 08:19 UK

America wakes up to doping nightmare

By Tom Fordyce


Kelli White's two-year doping ban slipped almost unnoticed into the sports pages.

It shouldn't have done.

White's ban marks what could be a major turning-point in the attitude of the world's most powerful sporting nation towards doping.

And that change could mean that the team the USA sends to the Olympics is missing some of its biggest and best-known stars.

America is slowly waking up to the fact that, after years of criticising the rest of the world, the worst offender in the anti-doping war may be itself.

White, world champion over 100m and 200m, is the highest-profile name to be banned this year. But she is only the tip of what many believe to be a substantial iceberg.


How the Balco scandal has tainted athletics

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Since last August, four Americans - world indoor 1500m champion Regina Jacobs, US shot put champion Kevin Toth and hammer throwers Melissa Price and John McEwen - have been revealed as testing positive for banned steroid THG.

Four more - hurdlers Sandra Glover, Eric Thomas and Chris Phillips and sprinter Chryste Gaines - had positive tests for banned stimulant modafinil made public.

Now Tim Montgomery, world 100m record holder, has received a letter from the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) alleging doping violations.

There may be more to come. The difference this year is that the world is actually hearing about it - and that the athletes in question will pay the price.


'Conspiracy of silence'


Until the THG scandal broke, the attitude of US authorities seemed to involve carpets and sweeping things under them.

Jerome Young, who won 400m gold at last summer's Worlds, tested positive for the banned steroid nandrolone in 1999 but was still allowed to compete in the 2000 Olympics, where he won gold as part of the 4x400m relay team.


White has been stripped of her 100m World gold

Young was one of 13 American athletes named by the Los Angeles Times as testing positive for drugs between 1996 and 2000 but whose names were not released by US Track and Field - a cover-up described by World Anti-Doping Agency chief Dick Pound as "a conspiracy of silence".

Meanwhile, Dr Wade Exum, former US Olympic Committee director for drug control, alleged last year that 19 American medallists - including Carl Lewis - were allowed to compete at the 1988 Olympics despite having earlier failed drugs tests.

But now White's ban indicates that the authorities have changed tack.

The anti-doping issue is now being taken so seriously that President Bush even made it part of his State of the Union address at the start of the year.

White was banned not because she actually tested positive for THG and EPO, but because the US Anti-Doping Agency had enough other evidence - doping schedules, emails detailing her drugs use - to convict her.

That means that other athletes - like Montgomery - could be banned from going to the Olympics even if they have never tested positive.

Compare this to the situation five years ago, when USTAF cleared sprinter Dennis Mitchell despite a positive test for testosterone, on the basis that Mitchell's elevated levels were the result of him enjoying sex with his wife at least four times and having drunk six bottles of beer the night before the test.


White the whistleblower


Nobody knows yet how badly the American Olympics team will be affected. But all the signs are that this story will only get bigger.

White has agreed to act as a whistleblower, telling USADA everything she knows about doping in the States. There is also the mountains of evidence gathered by the federal grand jury investigation into Balco, the company at the centre of the THG storm.

"I anticipate other athletes will be charged," said White, on accepting her ban.

As our graphic shows, Balco founder Victor Conte is at the centre of the latest batch of positive tests.

Conte, Balco vice-president James Valente, Dwain Chambers' former coach Remi Korchemny and Barry Bonds' personal trainer Greg Anderson have all been charged with supplying illegal performance-enhancing drugs to top sports competitors.

White, coached by Korchemny, has admitted taking a number of illegal drugs supplied by Balco. Chambers tested positive for THG in August last year.

Gaines, another coached by Korchemny, tested positive for modafinil. McEwen tested positive for both modafinil and THG, while Price, Toth and Jacobs also tested positive for THG, with Balco is widely believed to be the source of the steroid.

Marion Jones is the latest star to be dragged into the scandal.

She was one of the athletes called to testify in the grand jury investigation that resulted in the indictments, while it has been alleged that a $7,350 cheque from the sprinter's bank account was sent to Conte.


Jones has never tested positive for any banned substance

Jones' former husband, shot putter C.J. Hunter, is alleged to have signed that cheque.

Hunter tested positive for the banned steroid nandrolone four times before the 2000 Olympics, and it was Conte who appeared alongside him at a news conference in Sydney, claiming the test was a result of contaminated supplements.

Jones' lawyer Richard Nicholls told the BBC last week that the US anti-doping authorities do not have any proof to suggest that Jones ever took banned substances.

"The evidence they've given us I would not even characterise as evidence," said Nicholls. "It is weak."

Jones is also threatening to sue if she is prevented from taking part in the Athens Olympics without a failed drug test.

The pressure is now becoming intense on her current partner, Montgomery.

Both Jones and Montgomery were briefly coached by Ben Johnson's disgraced coach Charlie Francis before pressure from their sponsor Nike forced them to end the association.

Francis admitted in 1989 that he had encouraged Johnson, stripped of his gold medal at the 1988 Seoul Olympics for doping, and other athletes he coached to use steroids.

He also stated that the only way an athlete could be successful was to take drugs, and was banned from coaching Canadian athletes for life.


Clock ticking


So what happens next?

The US authorities do not have much time to act if they wish to ban other athletes from making the Olympic team.

The US athletics trials start on 9 July, with the team due to be named on 21 July. Any potential bans are also likely to be challenged in the courts by the athletes concerned.

But the USOC is determined that the team they send to Athens does not contain any athletes tainted by doping.

Last November, the World Anti-Doping Agency's Dick Pound said, "There is an extraordinary capacity for double-think in the US.

"They delight in pointing the finger at everyone else and do not acknowledge there is a US problem."

Finally, that seems to be changing.

interesting and thought provoking article in the nigerian vanguard
Link - Vanguard - Sports : Jones’ drug scam lending credence to Chidi Imoh’s drug cry

Jones’ drug scam lending credence to Chidi Imoh’s drug cry

By Patrick Omorodion

Posted to the Web: Saturday, October 13, 2007


Prophets, they say have regards except in their own country. This can be related to one of Nigeria and Africa’s greatest sprinter of all times, Chidi Imoh who ruled the tracks in the continent in the early 1990s.

Imoh, a United States based athlete was the one to beat at various national and continental championships but each time the stage was bigger, be it at the Olympics or World Championships, Imoh and many of his compatriots, never made any impact.

From Osmond and Davidson Ezinwa, Olapade Adeniken, the late Kayode Oluyemi to Innocent Asonze, among the many male athletes to Beatrice Utondu, Faith Idehen, Mary Onyali among the female, they all ran good and graceful races here and in Africa but failed at the world stage where it mattered most to them as athletes and Nigeria as a country.

It got to a time at the National Stadium in Lagos during one of the many national trials dubbed the Mobil Track and Field Championships to pick the country’s flagbearers for yet another major outing, and Imoh lined out with some of his colleagues but instead of hailing him he was booed and told to bow out since he was not going to make any impact out there even if he qualifies.

Imoh was bitter that despite all he had done for the country, a boo was all his country men could give him back. Shortly after that incident, Imoh who struggled against his younger colleagues had to confess that Nigerian athletes are among the best in the world because they compete purely on their strength against other big names who spice their systems with banned drugs.

Instead of taking him seriously, Nigerians, ever willing to blame athletes for failure, said he was making excuses for his failure but Imoh meant every word he uttered and it didn’t take long before his prophecy began to manifest.

Imoh’s allegation could have been based on the near miraculous performance by Canadian Ben Johnson’s world record performance at the 1988 Seoul Olympics, finishing at an incredible time of 9.79 seconds then. Everyone wondered how he did it, believing that no human can run that fast.

Samples of Johnson’s urine were tested for drugs immediately after the 100m final three days after the race and Olympic officials confirmed that traces of the anabolic steroid, Stanozol was detected. Everyone, especially the American officials whose wards Johnson had dusted in the race, said they thought as much.

While the then Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney said it was the correct decision, but a tragedy for Johnson and a great sadness for all Canadians, the sprinter’s sister, Clare Rodney, told reporters she was convinced the drug testers had made a mistake. “I can really tell anybody from the depths of my heart that he is not guilty,” she said.

Johnson was stripped of the gold medal and America’s Carl Lewis who placed second and Britain’s Linford Christie who was third had to be given the gold and silver medals respectively.

Not many years after though, Christie himself got caught for using steroid and was disgraced out of the sport. Lewis never got caught but his failing health recently points to the fact that he could have used drugs also but the US authorities did everything to cover him up.

Also at that Seoul Olympics, where Johnson’s performance was considered tainted by drugs, United States queen of the tracks, Florence Griffith-Joyner did the incredible, running the Women’s 100m and 200m in astonishing world record times. She won the 100m race with a time of 10.54secs after setting an incredible world record of 10.49 secs at the US Olympic trials shortly before the Seoul Olympics. But instead of tongues to wag, suggesting a possible use of drugs, Americans instigated the world to bow for their ‘wonderful’ athlete.

Not long after that, Flo-Jo, as she was fondly called and known for long finger nails and designer track wears, announced her retirement at a time the whole world was expecting her to confirm that the Seoul’88 performance was no fluke. This prompted many, none Americans as it were, to suggest that she could have used drugs and didn’t want to be caught hence she quit when the ovation was still loudest.

This group of people could have guessed right when on September 21, 1998, 10 years after her amazing performance at the Seoul ‘88 Olympics, the world was greeted by the news of the mysterious death of Flo-Jo even though autopsy reports were not clear on the cause of death but had it that she could have died of asphyxiation as the result of an epileptic seizure.

This gladdened her husband, Al Joyner, himself an Olympic Triple Jump gold medallist, who surmised that “She passed the final, ultimate drug test”. Despite his belief, Florence Griffith Joyner was shadowed by rumors that she had used steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs during her career. She was accused of drug use by track competitors, but she consistently denied the rumors, and she never failed a drug test.

The drug issue did not end there as many more athletes got entangled in the drug web causing the IAAF to pursue the fight to fish out the cheats with more vigour. Then it was the turn of another great athlete, also from the United States, Tim Montgomery, who was involved with now disgraced Marion Jones who had a child for him. He had shattered one of track and field’s most cherished marks in 2002 when he ran 100 meters in 9.78 seconds but denied ever using steroids.

Later on he had to admit before a grand jury that Victor Conte of BALCO gave him weekly doses of growth hormone and a steroid-like drug known as “the clear” over a period. Montgomery claimed Conte brought some of the drug to Sydney, which he understood to be a substance designed to behave like a steroid while allowing the user to pass drug tests.

“This was the magic potion,” Montgomery told the grand jury. He quoted Conte as saying, “Watch the 100 meters. Watch what Chryste gonna do. Watch what Alvin going to do in the 400. And watch what Marion going to do. ... You will see how powerful it is.”

Many more great athletes had gone to be exposed as cheats who spiced their systems with drugs in order to excel. Name them, Dwain Chambers of Britain, Justin Gatlin, the Athens Olympics gold medallists who shared the world record of 9.79 with Jamaica’s Asafa Powell. Chambers even had to pay back a reported US$ 230,615 before he was allowed to return to competition after a two-year ban.

Even our Chioma Ajunwa was involved in a drug scam in 1991, though she denied ever using one. After serving her two-year ban, Ajunwa who joined the stable of Segun Odegbami to train for the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, sneaked out of the country unheralded for the Atlanta Games and before anyone knew it, she had lept herself to a gold medal in the Long Jump, Nigeria’s first ever individual Olympic gold medal.

A jealous Fiona May, representing Italy at the Games and favoured for the gold had to make jest of her rival, stressing that she believed the medal was tainted with drug, in reference to Ajunwa’s earlier ban for drug offence.

Apart from Ajunwa, Mercy Nku, another athlete of repute on the Nigerian athletics scene was also involved in a drug scam but the Athletics Federation of Nigeria (AFN) claimed that it could not be confirmed until the B test comes out positive. Nothing again has been heard about that case but Nku still remains in the cooler, not