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Evans' girl dismisses rape claim

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This YT boys are feeling the heat too...amazing how this tramps go to a function full of young testesterone filled sportsmen get laid well and roasted then have the nerve to cry rape afterwards or the infamous 'i felt used like a piece of meat'...hello!!!

Bit premature to be calling "tramp" when the facts aren't out yet.

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Lets face it what respectable woman goes to this functions apart from a certain type they know what to expect not exactly a garden tea party is it??....

It was supposed to be a Christmas party. I don't see where an unsuspecting woman might read "roasting and rape" into that.

Also do you seriously subscribe to the idea that a woman raped "should have known better"? Perhaps she was "asking for it" too?

We don't know anything about this case but for general points you need to check your thinking on this.

Gotta agree with Watcher.... No means no.... no matter what we think of the woman.... no still means no

what function exactly?
a "rape and defile" function or a party in a casino and then pub? i guess everywoman that goes to any function full of testosterone fuelled men risks rape and "should really know better" cos afterall men are apes and do not understand any more then that a woman at a party in a short dress equals sex- by any means....
its not like leaving your yard without an umbrella on a cloudy day, even you can not seriously be this backwards?

Felllow Man U brothers and fellow travellers. Some ones got to go or at least cop something for this, even if it is a very stiff reprimand in the case of more senior players, for this as far as I am concerned. Why this was predictable and totally avoidable and I expect an organisation like Man U a top quality outfit who has been working with young men from day one, who has seen what has happened else where never allowing such an opportunity for such an allegation to even be made..

In fact a colleague of my a police officer was making this point for the woman to make the allegation is one thing, but for rumours or otherwise suggesting not only was Man U going to robustly defend its player but to impune the woman's character is unacceptable. It is Man Us fault from top to bottom.

To me brothers someone has to go or get such a public slapping they will not be able to turn their necks straight for about half the next season..And if Fergie in line with everything we know about him warned them and one of the reasons I always rated that man as a leader when we hear stories about how he use to turn up to parties and gate crash and drag out young Giggies and Scholes and the rest of the boys..Who was that really good young winger we had...The Watcher help me hear may have been before Safety's time,perhaps I am prejuding the brother in his history of being one of our boys...Fergie got rid of him becaues of his gambling and love of raving and women things and saw him as a bad infuence..Can't remember the dude. I think he went to Arsenal for a spell..But knowing Fergie he did warn them then somthing big has to happen. Either way..

Can I be me and be boring and offer a comparison of what we think was good practice in ensuring shit like that could never happen ,even though some aspects are different I am sure if I outline the basic featurse we could make changes even in discussion to ensure that could not happen at any top flight football club.

As security officers we had to develop and implement protocols covering a whole range of areas and ensured they were taught and implemented and monitored. One area was the social interaction of male and females in particular contexts..We organised retreats for many different purposes such as training or team buildling personal development and to test how brothers carried out new roles..For example if you were new security team members or supervisors they would have to organise comprehensive cover for the whole week or weekend..A massive task and more senior staff would monitor etc..

While the majority of our people were young men, often we invited selected sisters who came via referral, but usually well known to us or via people who could vouch for them or acts as a point of accountability. Of course there was plenty of time for socialising etc. But certain things were cast in stone..No fraternising in the sexual sense, the sleeping and showering quarters of each sex was totally out of bounds and policed. Alcohol was extremely limited to things like wine at meals and other social occasions but tightly controlled. Most of our senior guys did not drink and by extension our junior guys. So once you control that factor a lot of what could follow was reduced significantly anyhow..

Furthermore how people were interacting, especially the sexes was being closely observed all the time by any number of people eg trainers or various team leaders and security officers. So we knew who were getting friendly or too cosy and observe and let it slide or intervene on the QT or if they wandered outside to the grounds on the farm etc. Security officers out there would note it so we knew what was happening and with whom. The reason we did this was not primarily we had any fear of any of our brothers raping any one, but to ensure we could not be publicly damaged or compromised by any unfounded allegations. All brothers were taught and instucted and I ran many of those briefings personally to put the fear of god into them, that even one allegations and they were finished either for bieng stupid to find themselves in that positiong or disobeying a direct instruction. Take their choice..

We have never had one allegation in over 20 if not more years..We have had one sister get slightly too excited being around particular quality male company and was flirting with one brother on one occassion and another on another. And another sister for some bizzarre reason decided to shower in another set of cubicles not in the womens section which was not being used and plenty showers but involved her walking almost naked in full view of many brothers in their rooms chilling..In the morning when everyone woke up those sisters were already gone put on the first early morning train home.

Man U has a powerful public relations department and a Director of Security who between them are responsible for identifying the type of serious damage or threats which their organisation could face. In fact there is a whole school of public relations management dedicated to identifying such risks..went on a seminar a few months ago..So how could this happen? Someone needs to pay for this and not the girl regardless of the outcome..

i'm sorry if i hurt y'all feelings and sentiments but this is just pure animal instinct..you do not go with a man wearing them short things and expect things not to happen...its the way a man's brain is programmed same as when a Tiger sees a deer all you see is meat...theres no rationale to explain just pure animal lust why is Ann Summers in business??

@wifeable
women especially those that go to this functions wear them short things to 'look attractive' and most especially in that situation look sexy and provocative enough to pull a man..... many a times this women cry rape because something else had gone down probably he didn't want to know her after the act she was just a lay big insult to a woman's ego and we know how vengeful y'all can get after such a diss

Astmartins

oh my God...
so basically are you saying if a woman wears a short dress she should expect the possiblity that she will be raped by any man "she goes with" if she doesnt give up sex?
i cannot belive wat im reading....and then to top a woman who has sex often cries rape because she feels used or dissed afterwards
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT MORE THAN OFTEN THEY ARE RAPED

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some of these male members, Lord deliver us...
oh, and please tell me roughly how many rape victims you know?
and are you saying because men are animals like "tigers" they do not know the meaning of "no". Does that mean when you see a girl in a short "Thing" and chat to her you are quite convinced she'll give you sex or you'll take it, because afterall short dresses come with the care label "will insite rape" and woman are quite awear that any and every given man is a rapist, and should prepare for rapists at all times. because men cant help it and have no control over their own bodies and mentalities
are you one then? should i expect to be attacked on a night out? are rapists above the law? i guess you'll tell me next that there is no such thing as rape and women should know better...i guess you'll tell that to every female relative, friend, girlfriend you've ever had- tell them to watch they don't get rape, by the way they dressing as it would be their own fault!
i guess YOU are an animal when YOU think like this. And you wonder why women are defensive with fukked up male attitudes like that floating around

and in answer to my own question: You seriously are that backwards

@wifeable
I'm stepping out but would be back...maybe the way i stated it sounds like straight in the face but would break it down i for one do not condone rape in any shape or form but this celeb parties especially the ones involving atheletes are always a bit suspect...did you hear of the ronaldo or Van Persie case or a few years back the Frank sinclair case there was also the top snooker player...some of this girls zoom in on this guys like magnet ....could explain why some of them tape the roasting to show how much the girls enjoyed the session if not them girls could cry rape too without that evidence...mike tyson once said he had cameras in all his rooms because of what happened to him...
I do know 2 girls actually who were victims of rape and it was committed by someone they knew very well...you don't have to wear short things to be a victim of rape but those celeb drink and drug fuelled more or less orgies are a different ball game
As for the short dress men just lose focus half the time..women might be doing it for one reason but men are thinking 'easy'...don't ask me why pls...
one more thing if i'm looking to score my eyes would catch the women with short or flimsy things on first in comparism to those that are covered up....

@All remembered the name of that Man U player..Lee Sharpe Ferguson ran that out of the club..

@Asmartins..man you know that cannot be right and for the first time me and Wifeable are on the same team here. No way..Men are both shaped by their primmitive and animal and their higher self not one or the other. Women can dress how they want..that may cause arousement or man fi get stiff and hot..Not an invitation for me to use violence and superior force be it one man never mind more than one and definitely not something Man U can allow to happen or tolerate. And hear this i don't even care if that is normal or acceptable..This is Man U as far as I am concerned and our reputation is second to none where it comes for maintaining a regime of discipline and higher standards whether it is gambling or fighting on road or in night clubs..

Yeah it is natural for many or most man to want to kill a man if he steps into your grill or violate real serious things..but we don't..We cuss or just walk away because if we didn't man and man would be killing every day piling up bodies like pyramids..

Have to differ seriously on that one..Men have to accept responsibility for basic shit and those who have formal responsibility or higher expectations eg senior players or other jobs within the organisation have to pay for these things..What a whole institution of men think it can pass the buck on a woman, even if her arse it out of door gagging for it..Sorry bro..Sounds like the rationale of serial killers eg you can tell she wanted it..

@Fredblack
This stuff is like a red flag to a bull...why in the hell do this women wear this short things to this parties can someone explain that to me please..such parties have been well publicised but this tramps still fall over themselves hoping to be the next WAG...there are serious victims of rape that should warranty our sysmpathy not this groupies no way have no sympathy where they concerned...some girl i know has some contact in one of those clubs called Embassy she was so embarrased as a woman to see the manner in which this YT women literally threw themselves at this footballers...
Fred you know when it comes to women all sensibilities goes out of the window how many influential mans downfall has been attributed to the cleverly seductive ochestrated whims of a woman

Asmartins..said 'Fred you know when it comes to women all sensibilities goes out of the window how many influential mans downfall has been attributed to the cleverly seductive ochestrated whims of a woman'.

Well even the KGB who were the world's greatest experts on the use of sex as a weapon and taught the CIA everything they know worth knowing will show you even when a man is deliberately targeted as part of an operation to hook or compromise sex can only be used if the man is susceptible to it. Of course these are experts who put a lot of work into choosing their target and how they go about softening him up, before they introduce their femme fatale but he has to show sign, even the slightest of signals for them to move in..

Nkrumah in his Handbook or Revolutionary Warfare identified what he called the 5 corruptibles which lead to the down fall of powerful men. Sex was one of the primary failings along with the love of power etc, unbridled ego and vanity...Sorry bro...same way a woman cannot argu