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23-02-08, 04:09 PM
@ Incognito
Surprised to hear you, one who is usually quite astute at "getting beneath the surface" , say you give Christie the benefit of the doubt. The only thing I would give Christie is a '"thumps up" for fooling some of the people most of the time!
Look at the end of the day, the pull of the dollar/pound is the big driver that motivates people in ALL walks of life to 'cheat a little here', 'cut the odd corner there' and general doing whatever 'under-handed' deed it takes to give them that little edge.
The way people go on about 'drug cheats' in athletics you would think they are talking about the Devil incarnate. The average person (and certainly the 'Good and Saintly' who feel qualified to pass judgment on the likes of Chambers) use the concept of 'PRINCIPLES' in much the same way the golfer uses his/her golf clubs....... i.e. picking whichever best suits for the occasion. I am talking about people who get all sanctimonious and 'objective' in one instance but can turn a blind eye without flinging when dealing with the same 'PRINCIPLE' in another instance where 'personal' SELF-INTEREST prevails. It kind of makes me glad to see Dwain back to annoy the hell out of they hypocritical asses.
In the same way people distinguish the 'little white lie' from the 'big lie'........as though they fail to see the common 'noun' in both, they can divorce so-called drug cheats from the other forms of cheating that is so rife in this culture; this society. Sebek thinking is strong in these people!
When I have heard people talk about Dwain Chambers as if he were some decease they would not dare wish to be exposed to, I am tempted to ask......"Yeah, and how does his 'crime' compare to the 'minor' oversight of two hours added to your overtime-claim for the last something years?
People make me laugh for real.
Respect
In their dealings with each other the Wise Man and the Fool believe they can outwit the other. However, the Wise Man KNOWS when he is dealing with a fool!
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23-02-08, 04:56 PM
Backatya - if i'm honest my astuteness usually lets me down when I see things I don't want to believe - the fact there'll never be real black unity is just one but yeah I see where you and the Fu come from. Where Linford is concerned I kind of have a bias towards the other athletes that are closet to Linford who say he would never (knowingly) take anything illegal.
Linford and Colin Jackson more or less rose together at the same time peaking more or less at the same time. I remember they use to talk about training together and learning to start on the 'B' of the bang. Darren Campbell refused to stand on the same podium as Chambers but til this day (as far as I know) will still fight Linfords corner. How much Linford's ways and reputation amongst his peers are a premeditated persona to help disguise his dishonesty who knows but that all sounds a bit too far fetched for me - but then trust has always been my weakness.
Their knives and their guns could not hold me, their drinks and their drugs could not control me, their education could not school me, their religion could not fool me, their women could never tempt me
their politicians could never rent me, but the babylon daughter still got my pikney!
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23-02-08, 06:14 PM
Backatya - I will also add the steroids 'caught' in Linfords case were steroids natural to the body where in some cases can come from many many sources - it's just like the food we eat, if you really knew what was in them you' see how easy it would be to fail a drugs test. I remember Linford used to do the Lucozade adverts - I wouldn't be surprised if today there are substances which are now on the banned list which were not there ten years ago which mean drinking Lucozade is now an athletic crime.
When I mention the time over which Linfords career has spanned, this also includes the reality that in athletics what is legal today can be illegal tomorrow so from athletes trying evolve with the times (legally) to those set in their regime/regimen my benefit of the doubt for Linford also stems from this perspective....you can take a substance simply because it isn't on the list, it's no different to a new remedy for hayfever coming out tomorrow.
Admittedly I can see how easy it would be for an athlete to play the game but in this case benefit of the doubt it is. Unlike mummys boy Colin Jackson, Linford was alienated from and by the press, he was never in their good books, from stories about his babymammas to his lunchbox, he has been the target of a witch hunt for years.
Christie urges Britain to look forward - Yahoo! Eurosport UK
Their knives and their guns could not hold me, their drinks and their drugs could not control me, their education could not school me, their religion could not fool me, their women could never tempt me
their politicians could never rent me, but the babylon daughter still got my pikney!
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23-02-08, 06:27 PM
Their knives and their guns could not hold me, their drinks and their drugs could not control me, their education could not school me, their religion could not fool me, their women could never tempt me
their politicians could never rent me, but the babylon daughter still got my pikney!
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23-02-08, 09:59 PM
Sorry, Linford wasn't "clean", hence the hatred from Daley Thompson towards him (I met both at the same time, and Daley showed his hostility and said Linford was using). Christie knows he wasn't clean, hence his silence. He could've ended up like Flo Jo!
Reflect upon this. If Uhurogu (sp) didn't miss the tests and tested positive, served her ban and tried to come back a la Chambers, would she have been as well received as she is now - because she "forgot"? No, & I don't believe she "forgot" (THREE TIMES!!!), but the Board need a good athlete - especially female.
And K, you are absolutely right about Mutola & Holmes. I'm so glad i'm not the only one who thought it suspect.
Regarding Chambers, the Board should've banned him for life. Instead they, in their arrogance, assumed he'd just fade into the background. I, for one, would give him the benefit, but only because the Board didn't show their teeth when they should have.
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23-02-08, 11:35 PM
Vezz - I wouldn't disagree Christie isn't asttue enough to play and manipulate the system but the time he was caught many people were using off the shelf products and coming up positive. As the article shows, for arguments sake you take a product that manipulates your system enough for it to cause a reaction similar to that of cocaine, is that as good as saying you have taken cocaine?
Linford had a rep for not even taking an aspirin at the same time being in the game I would not be surprised if used products to maintain a healthy fit system so where's there's enough room to give him the benefit of the doubt I'll give him as i don't believe he was on it in a premeditated way like Chambers. I guess my argument is if Linford was on it, who wasn't, what ever substance he was taking simply showed up more in him than it did others. Just like alcohol, everyone has a different threshold.
In the 100m, there are graceful sprinters and sprinters with explosive power, if the explosive runners are the suspect ones then for me Linford was in the middle. Won't go as far as saying this proves anything but if Linford was on anything, I don't believe he believed it to be an illegal substance.
Their knives and their guns could not hold me, their drinks and their drugs could not control me, their education could not school me, their religion could not fool me, their women could never tempt me
their politicians could never rent me, but the babylon daughter still got my pikney!
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24-02-08, 10:19 AM
The Dwain Chambers thing is political. Whether he is 'bulky', fast, slow, thin, big ass or whatever the fact is he is a Black man. They are mixing up the negative stereotype of a drugs dealer who happens to be black and an black athlete who took drugs. The only time I have heard of this fuss is now and more recently Christie! The whole thing is wrong. The law allows athletes to come back to the sport after a ban and even this is abused.
THey should both go to the human rights courts but by then the race ahreddy run and they still to ask themselves 'is it worth it?'
This may have nothing to do with it but I attended a drugs training course a couple of years ago. tHere were 25 of us in the room 21 white and 4 black and NONE of the black people has taken drugs and 14 of the white had!!!  |
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24-02-08, 01:16 PM
I would tend to agree with you that people are confusing the two things when it comes to dwain
I dunno if its the fact that he fits the image of the young (ish) black london drug dealer but for some reason people are pushing the blame on him rather than the coaches/nutrition guys and doctors who pushed this stuff on him.
people forget that these guys aint taking nothing unless they get professional advice.
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24-02-08, 05:04 PM
Their knives and their guns could not hold me, their drinks and their drugs could not control me, their education could not school me, their religion could not fool me, their women could never tempt me
their politicians could never rent me, but the babylon daughter still got my pikney!
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25-02-08, 09:55 AM
Performance enhancing aside, Dwain needs to start using his brain and change his name to Pete Doherty or something.
Their knives and their guns could not hold me, their drinks and their drugs could not control me, their education could not school me, their religion could not fool me, their women could never tempt me
their politicians could never rent me, but the babylon daughter still got my pikney!
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27-02-08, 01:07 AM
Must say though, on the Linford Christie flex, it was always my belief that if he was on steroids him and Shadow from The gladiators were on the same stuff....physique aside, under pressure they both had those beady eyes 
Their knives and their guns could not hold me, their drinks and their drugs could not control me, their education could not school me, their religion could not fool me, their women could never tempt me
their politicians could never rent me, but the babylon daughter still got my pikney!
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04-04-08, 11:09 PM
Just waiting to see how much coverage this gets good luck to Dwain in his quest to be a rugby player man has got to survive since hes no longer wanted at those lucrative meets whilst other repented cheats are
BBC SPORT | Olympics | Weightlifting | Greek weightlifters test positive
one will need a bigger lie to cover the first one
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05-04-08, 12:46 AM
If he makes something of it all well and good, but of all the sports to pick......rugby league????? Be playing against guys who been playing the sport since early in their life.......and those guys know how to hit. Built as Dwain is, he will take a pounding....plus its a different kind of fitness than he's used to.....big gamble.
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