Why black girls but not black boys?

Pek · (#1 (**permalink**))

Why do Black girls perform well in there GCSE's but black boys don't http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3517171.stm

Taysense · (#2 (**permalink**))

because their easier to control

nubbyprincess · (#3 (**permalink**))

Black Girls overtake White Boys. Good news. Thanks for thearticle Pek

Peacemaker · (#4 (**permalink**))

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Why do Black girls perform well in there GCSE's but black boys don't http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3517171.stm

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It's quite simple. They're dumb. Arf. No not dumb just easily distracted by this silly youth culture bullshit., which is dumb anyway.You'll find that in certain northern cities white boys are just as bad if not worse, again for the same reasons. The exams aren't getting easier for no reason you know, the ever increasing rates ofilliteracy amongst all race isn't increasing for no reason either. Franklythe English speaking culture is being dumbed down, and as such so are the people.A useful side effect of consumerism. Dumb people buy things, keeps the economy ticking over. Can't have that many smart people in the country, the people in power would lose power in a minute. So it's best to have the many dumb people ruled by the few smart people. It's best to have the few very rich people rule the many poor people, and so on.

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The Chinese keep themselves to themselves and don't really like British culture so their focus of attention in school is normally on the work, and not on other things, especially to the exclusion of all else. Our problem is that we have intergrated with white society too much, where as the East Asians and the West Asians haven't so much, but it's only a matter of time.You just plaster a shitload of them on TV and hey presto. I want to be like him or herand so on.

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The black boys that do well you'll find probably act more the chinese in attitude and outlook, as do the white students that excel above the average.

Also the sense of shameof being dumb is strangely missing, oh that's right, no shame in being exacty like your peers.

Pek · (#5 (**permalink**))

But don't you think teachers have already viewed black boys aas failures.....thats what it was like when i went school. All the teachers never listened to us and was always scared to come near us even though we wasn't doing any thing.

Seabiscuit · (#6 (**permalink**))

I think its a little bit of both, schools can be neglectful to black pupils I think but then again, they don't help themselves. I mean, Asian kids are outperforming black kids everytime even though they are about the same as ethnic minorities...

Surely theres a inherent problem? (Might have to agree with Peace in aminute...

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But the real issue here is why are black girls better than black boys? Is it parenting? Black boys can be seen to look after themselves, standing on their own two feetand need no encouragement whereas black girls have more encouragement and being a female, more reason to suceed... confused3

NativeTongue · (#7 (**permalink**))

my opinion is this.first of all black boys are not stupid or unintelligent or unambitious.spend even a small amount of time with kids and you will realise this.
secondly i believe there is something inherent in black culture which nurtures an anti-authoritarian zeal.
i believe this is a hangup from Plantaion Culture.If you look at African cultures where there was not that strong history of Opression and Domination by the European you will find a greater willingness to engage.
Amongst East Asians the reaction to Racism is to try and harder in effect to rise above the European.
Amongst black people the reaction is to revolt, rebel.
My opinion is that the anger and energy we see displayed by young black boys needs simply to be harnessed and channelled into something more coherent, beneficial, longer lasting.

Pek · (#8 (**permalink**))

NativeTongue wrote:

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my opinion is this.first of all black boys are not stupid or unintelligent or unambitious.spend even a small amount of time with kids and you will realise this.
secondly i believe there is something inherent in black culture which nurtures an anti-authoritarian zeal.
i believe this is a hangup from Plantaion Culture.If you look at African cultures where there was not that strong history of Opression and Domination by the European you will find a greater willingness to engage.
Amongst East Asians the reaction to Racism is to try and harder in effect to rise above the European.
Amongst black people the reaction is to revolt, rebel.
My opinion is that the anger and energy we see displayed by young black boys needs simply to be harnessed and channelled into something more coherent, beneficial, longer lasting.

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What are you talking about???...why does everything have to be blamed on slavery, many black youths don't even know about slavery intil they LEARN about it in school.

NativeTongue · (#9 (**permalink**))

okay im not a sociologist but i think in socilogy it might be descibed as 'cultural memory'.ie a culture which has undergone some major event in its lifetime has a memory of that event through things like folklore, mythology , moral codes etc.

For example if you look at hte Jews thre is a Cultural Memory of its Persecution which goes bac thousands of years, and that manifests itself strongly in the way the jew views himself and his community in relation to the outside world.

Peacemaker · (#10 (**permalink**))

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But don't you think teachers have already viewed black boys aas failures.....thats what it was like when i went school. All the teachers never listened to us and was always scared to come near us even though we wasn't doing any thing.

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The fact of the matter is that teachers teach pupils as a group, not individually. It's upto the individual pupil to learn what they are taught. If the pupil doesn't desire to learn and studythen they won't, or if they're distracted totally by things outside of school then they'll be more educated in whatever they focus on and if it isn't school education then they won't do well at school obviously. Nothing that a teacher has said to me helped me in any way. They just gave me the work and it was done. Boring as hell yes, repetitive yes, but it got done. One of the reasons boys don't do so well. They don't adapt too well to the repetitive and rigidnature of the school learning process, especially after living the previous years as a pretty much free and innocent child. .

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I've been through the teachers thinking bad of me nonsense. Didn't stop me earning more money than they do now and more importantly being alot smarter than they'll ever be. However I wasn't a placid sheepthrough the wholeprocess.

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A positive in all this is that black boys are less likely to be brainwashed, because that's all education is until you get into higher education, and even that is questionable. A negative is that they're brainwashed/influenced by something which is probably worse, but at least the ability to think for themselves isn't lost on them totally. However people who aren't able to think as one of the team aren't very employable anyway. Programmable worker bees get the job done. You don't write for the Sun if you've afar left mentalitydo you now. And you don't work in a factory when you have the ambition to run it.

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School is just a filter for the weak willed at the moment. The best go into higher education therest go elsewhere, normally into some deadend job that the government seem to want to fill.

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It's not actually based on intelligence at all. It's about desire.

NativeTongue · (#11 (**permalink**))

Cultural Memory

Cultural Memory is a concept introduced to the archaeological disciplines by Jan Assmann (1988a; 1988b; 1992: espec. 22). Assmann defines cultural memory as the "outer dimension of human memory" (1992: 19), embracing two different concepts: "memory culture" (Erinnerungskultur) and "reference to the past" (Vergangenheitsbezug). Memory culture is the way a society ensures cultural continuity by preserving, with the help of cultural mnemonics, its collective knowledge from one generation to the next, rendering it possible for later generations to reconstruct their cultural identity. References to the past, on the other hand, reassure the members of a society of their collective identity and supply them with an awareness of their unity and singularity in time and space—i.e. an historical consciousness—by creating a shared past (Assmann 1992: 30-34; see also 1996: 26f., 31). These two concepts may or may not coincide.
Such 'retrospective memory' manifests itself in history culture and can involve rituals and ceremonies at special occasions such as commemoration days, and at special places such as ancient monuments, which function as timemarks and sites of memory (Assmann 1992: 56–9; see also Connerton 1989).
Concept of cultural memory thus corresponds to studies of other forms of memory in society, which have shown how even personal recollections by individuals, concerning the (fairly recent) past of their own lifetime, do not support the view that memory is a simple storage place for information which can be retrieved later on, but suggest that in memory the past is actively constructed depending on certain social and mental conditions. This cannot be better expressed than in the words of John Elsner (1994: 226):

"What matters ... is not that [a particular account of the past] be correct by our standards or anyone else's, but that it be convincing to the particular group of individuals ... for whom it serves as an explanation of the world they inhabit. ... [W]hat matters about any particular version of history is that it be meaningful to the collective subjectivities and self-identities of the specific group which it addresses. In other words, we are not concerned with 'real facts' or even a coherent methodology, but rather with the consensus of assumptions and prejudices shared by the historian ... and his audience".

Individuals learn their collective memories through socialisation, but they retain the freedom to break out of it and offer alternative views of the past which may themselves later become part of this collective memory. As interpretations of the past constantly change, so do cultural memories.

Recently, Assmann spoke of "mnemohistory" in relation tothe past-as-it-is-remembered. He also stated that "Mnemohistory is reception theory applied to history", that the "proper way of dealing with the working of cultural memory is mnemohistory" and that "Mnemohistory investigates the history of cultural memory" (1997: 9, 14, 15). His new approach therefore describes well my own ambitions.

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/c...ltorf/2.0.html

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Peacemaker · (#12 (**permalink**))

I'd be pretty interested to hear what black boys desire to be in life. What are their goals and dreams.

I'd especially like tohearwhat theones between the ages of 7 and 14 would like to do.