Everything that was here...

DSP · (#1 (**permalink**))

when the earth was created is physically still here.

Do you believe this?

The Watcher · (#2 (**permalink**))

Yes but not in it's current form because everything breaks down over time into simpler forms (entropy) even you. The earth is actually gaining mass daily (dust and meteors) and it's rotation is slowing down.

Prince Hakeem · (#3 (**permalink**))

DSP wrote:

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when the earth was created is physically still here.

Do you believe this?

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Yes.

Lady Aleisha · (#4 (**permalink**))

DrunkMonkey wrote:

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Yes but not in it's current form because everything breaks down over time into simpler forms (entropy) even you. The earth is actually gaining mass daily (dust and meteors) and it's rotation is slowing down.

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what he said

MyThoughts · (#5 (**permalink**))

Can I link this to religion?

If this is so...does the religious term eternal life with god...simply mean life in the universe. So technically or scientically they are correct in thinking there is no such thing as ultimate death.

Another aspect can this not be seen as reincarnation?

For some reason science and religionbe fittingin so nicely together. All cosy and spudding each other.

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#6 (**permalink**))

MyThoughts wrote:

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Can I link this to religion?

If this is so...does the religious term eternal life with god...simply mean life in the universe. So technically or scientically they are correct in thinking there is no such thing as ultimate death.

Another aspect can this not be seen as reincarnation?

For some reason science and religionbe fittingin so nicely together. All cosy and spudding each other.

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The problem with linking religion with this is that they introduce ridiculous notions about how it all began and the state of eternity. Yes,whether you believethere is a God or not, in some form your energyis eternal either way. However, the technical specifics of it makes religious folks uneasy because when you really think about it, the scientific preceptsbehind everyone's eternal energy makes religionrather superfluous. It only leads to the question...what's the point?...a question the religionists do not want to answer.

MyThoughts · (#7 (**permalink**))

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MyThoughts wrote:

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Can I link this to religion?

If this is so...does the religious term eternal life with god...simply mean life in the universe. So technically or scientically they are correct in thinking there is no such thing as ultimate death.

Another aspect can this not be seen as reincarnation?

For some reason science and religionbe fittingin so nicely together. All cosy and spudding each other.

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The problem with linking religion with this is that they introduce ridiculous notions about how it all began and the state of eternity. Yes,whether you believethere is a God or not, in some form your energyis eternal either way. However, the technical specifics of it makes religious folks uneasy because when you really think about it, the scientific preceptsbehind everyone's eternal energy makes religionrather superfluous. It only leads to the question...what's the point?...a question the religionists do not want to answer.

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Yes but lets not discuss it from how religious folks interpret it...that is for the other forum *shudders*

If we look at it from the "we haven't interpreted religion in the right way" school. That is those ancient words are telling us what science is now telling us.

Could not what is said be directly linked to that scientific explanation of the universe...the first laws of physics - Energy is never lost nor destroyed it is merely transferred.

Science and religion are the same thing just said in a different way. Could that not be easily argued??

The Watcher · (#8 (**permalink**))

MyThoughts wrote:

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Thoth B3 wrote:

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MyThoughts wrote:

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Can I link this to religion?

If this is so...does the religious term eternal life with god...simply mean life in the universe. So technically or scientically they are correct in thinking there is no such thing as ultimate death.

Another aspect can this not be seen as reincarnation?

For some reason science and religionbe fittingin so nicely together. All cosy and spudding each other.

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The problem with linking religion with this is that they introduce ridiculous notions about how it all began and the state of eternity. Yes,whether you believethere is a God or not, in some form your energyis eternal either way. However, the technical specifics of it makes religious folks uneasy because when you really think about it, the scientific preceptsbehind everyone's eternal energy makes religionrather superfluous. It only leads to the question...what's the point?...a question the religionists do not want to answer.

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Yes but lets not discuss it from how religious folks interpret it...that is for the other forum *shudders*

If we look at it from the "we haven't interpreted religion in the right way" school. That is those ancient words are telling us what science is now telling us.

Could not what is said be directly linked to that scientific explanation of the universe...the first laws of physics - Energy is never lost nor destroyed it is merely transferred.

Science and religion are the same thing just said in a different way. Could that not be easily argued??

That's matter. Matter isn't lost or destroyed but transformed. You burn a peice of wood it turns to ash and smoke, it doesn't dissapear. The HEAT energy in the fire does though. It dissapates.

Energy IS lost. Entropy. Everything eventually loses energy. The sun pulls on earth slowing it down. It falls into the sun slowly. The rotation spins, the moon drifts away....
The universe will run out of energy. Stars are created from the dust of other stars. Each time matter and energy is lost, as well as during the stars life. Over time (a stupidly long time) the number of stars dwindle until their is no more energy to make more. The space between them too far and the universe ultimately cold and black though with the same amount of matter as it originally had.

This is assuming the universe is a closed system and will continue to expand....

Not sure how any of that fits in to the religious bit but just making the correction

MyThoughts · (#9 (**permalink**))

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That's matter. Matter isn't lost or destroyed but transformed. You burn a peice of wood it turns to ash and smoke, it doesn't dissapear. The HEAT energy in the fire does though. It dissapates.

Energy IS lost. Entropy. Everything eventually loses energy. The sun pulls on earth slowing it down. It falls into the sun slowly. The rotation spins, the moon drifts away....
The universe will run out of energy. Stars are created from the dust of other stars. Each time matter and energy is lost, as well as during the stars life. Over time (a stupidly long time) the number of stars dwindle until their is no more energy to make more. The space between them too far and the universe ultimately cold and black though with the same amount of matter as it originally had.

This is assuming the universe is a closed system and will continue to expand....

Not sure how any of that fits in to the religious bit but just making the correction

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Ok cool, let me work with this i'll be back...

Never been one for science me...I'm a find a link somewhere but that website is EVIL...them greek letters be going way over my head right now. I'l read up later.

The Watcher · (#10 (**permalink**))

Try this one instead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death

You don't need the proof or formulas. Just concentrate on the concepts LOL

MyThoughts · (#11 (**permalink**))

Hmmm....matter this link so much better than energy.

If you don't understand how something works or what something is, you'll explain it in terms you do understand. Hence you never knew what a plane was, and you knew what a bird was...more than likely you'll describe it as a metal bird. Easy. Just the same as in cargo cults...major religion I guess can be seen in the same light.

Ok so matter throughout the beginning of time have never been destroyed or lost...so reincarnation is misunderstood and misinterpreted by religious folks...

The acts of a "god" can describe what the ancient people saw but explained in their terms. SO the people were clued up on acts and occurences in the universe but obviously did not use "scientific" language of today. Instead imagery was use.

So was ancient texts and scribes telling us in their terms what science is telling us now in our terms

I've got more coming somewhere in my head...I'ma write a book.

The Watcher · (#12 (**permalink**))

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Hmmm....matter this link so much better than energy.

If you don't understand how something works or what something is, you'll explain it in terms you do understand. Hence you never knew what a plane was, and you knew what a bird was...more than likely you'll describe it as a metal bird. Easy. Just the same as in cargo cults...major religion I guess can be seen in the same light.

Ok so matter throughout the beginning of time have never been destroyed or lost...so reincarnation is misunderstood and misinterpreted by religious folks...

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Slow down. Religious folks refer to the reincarnation of a soul. A soul is an unmeasurable, unquantifiable thing. Wether it has matter or energy or even exists is speculation. We can make analogies about matter but to use the same rules for something we don't know about isn't a good way to go about things. There may be souls (who knows) but you can't decide wether the energy model or the matter one fits their behaviour until you can measure and observe them. Until then it's mere imagination.

The acts of a "god" can describe what the ancient people saw but explained in their terms. SO the people were clued up on acts and occurences in the universe (limited by what technology they had (no measuring of electromagnetic spectrum beyond visible light for example) but obviously did not use "scientific" language of today. Instead imagery was use.

So was ancient texts and scribes telling us in their terms what science is telling us now in our terms

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No because limited knowledge leads to limited or false conclusions. If you only see in black and white you