How long can a race inbreed before needing new blood to continue their line?

Now, what was diffrent or is diffrent for humans to be able to inbreed for so long?

If England was locked off and given food supplies via air, the English race would die out after inbreeding for so long they'd create deformities and wouldn't be able to survive as to survive a race needs an influx of new genes everynow and then... As Africans are we so genetically diverse that we can sustain longer periods of said inbreeding to survive? Are we a kinda batch that keeps the pool flowing as it were if you look at things from beginning to end.


I takes relatively few people to start a community.

Let's say, there were only 400 people on earth. 200 men and 200 woman. If each man had atleast 10 children with 10 different women and each child at pubity had a child with someone who wasn't related ie ,had the same mother or father, and so on. You would have more that enough genetic variance to keep the population alive, assuming no one has any majour genatic flaws and assuming everyone is relatively healthy. and assuming the women/teenagers are willing to have a number of kids at a early age well into quite a late age.

The times would have to be staggered so that there was a good age varience so that for example, there would never be a time when the entire population was over 40 years old.

The idea of mongomy and ideas of age of consent would have to be adjusted and acurate records of who is related to who would have to be kept to ensure that relatives weren't crossing blood. As long as brother and sisters, mothers and sons or fathers and daughters weren't coupleing, you would avoid most mutations. The further away the family the conection the safer ,genetically, you are. With cousins your pushing it abit, the royal family is made of such unions, look at them! lol

Right now, people are married to distant relitives and they don't even know it! It hasn't created much genetic problems.

If you want to keep the population alive, you need to contribute more people and faster than death can take them. A couple who wish to keep the population growing need to have more that two children. The first two children will replace the couple when they both die of old age and the third, forth and so on will actually be adding to the populations numbers.

You may notice that white racist are promoting that they must have a large family, the intention is that their numbers will grow to the point where you will have massive political clout so they can start implimenting all sorts of evil f*cked up nazi policies.

Imagine, the worlds poulations right now is around 6 billion, what would the situation be is 3 billion of them were white supremacists? Whatever it would be, it wouldn't be of benifit to us!

This is why I think it is important that we focus on what is important :-

stop aruging, both in and out of the forum
stop paying lip service and actually impliment what we say off the net
stop killing each other
stop getting our ass locked up for no good reason
stop promoting/listening to slackness and backwardness
start working together
start spreading the word
start recruiting instead of excluding
start having kids LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF KIDS
start using our collective might to force change...but not in some 'sitting in a swivel chair wearing a grey suit, stroking a white cat, I wanna take over the world' kind of way.

[sup]All possible, but man has a tendency to mess things up when he attempts to work things exclusively through the physical realm.

Only the dumb ones.

I guess that you are implying that black people need to embrace Christianity or Islam. No thanks! Too many black people seem to think that they need the help of a 'higher power' to get their lives in order. They don't.

This kind of thinking is one of the reasons why black people are scattered to the 'four corners of the eath' with reguards to our aims and objectives.

I know all too many guys who were compleate b'stards, then they join one of these 'cults' and start behaving themselves. WTF! As if for a black man to 'get it togther' is somethiing so difficult and so insurmountable that it requires the aid of a supernatural entity and hours of prayer and self flagellation. It doesn't, just a desire and a commitment to sort yourself out!

There is a time for everything, but the proper foundation before anything else. Otherwise, it would only produce more minds to be quickly enslaved.

Only because black people generally don't stand alone. Many tend to follow fashion without the slightest thought for what it is they are following. You can see that on this board, just look at how many gouls come out the wood work to get their insults in when some one post a comment they someone disagrees with.

Have you ever noticed that there are only certain felds, styles of dress, jobs, hobies etc, that are considered 'black'. Usually if a person deviates from what is considerd 'sterotypeically black, then they are lablel 'sell out' 'uncle tom' or some other foolish name.

[/sup]What is needed is a little less 'black pride' ( a term I think is a p1ss take and is on par with 'girl power' and more 'racial pride'.

Religion 'which is what I think your hinting at' will only serve to[sup] divide an already divided community. It is more than possible to have a 'moral code', without the religious dogma attatched.

Have you not learned throughout "history" and chronology that man with no spiritual fortitude or connection is easily corruptible when given power or over a certain amount of control over others?

Simply because these people have vary little 'racial pride'. If they had more, they would seek to do what is in the best intrest of the majourity not themselves. And when I say 'racial pride' I not' talking about shouting how much you hate YT or any of that nonsense. I'm talking about a genuine pride in the welfare of black people. Our pride leaves alot to be disired at this particular moment in time. Look at the open hostility in this board, do you think people here are pulling in the same direction?

Promote racial pride, and most of the battle is won. I don't believe white people have nearly as much power as people give them credit.

Our failing is that we don't work together and use our numbers. For every black person who is intrested and actively woking for our cause there are more who couldn't really give a toss or who just pay 'lip service'.

as for ''spiritual fortitude''

You have two types of eligious people, :-

those who try to dissarm your suspition by spouting loads of irrelivant non sense to keep you from seeing that they have their hands in you pocket

and

those who are so terrifyed of burning in hell that they will try to 'buy theire way into heavan by convert as many souls as possible offten, ruthlessly. They are incapable of seeing anything past their religion and view everything through the writings of a book writen thousands of years ago, not taking to complex needs and social situation into account.

Either way, religious people are the most corrupted of them all. I don't need anyone to tell me how to live a good productive life, I can do that on my own, we all can....after all, who dosen't know the difference between right and wrong?[/sup]

The idea of creating a stable gene pool from a start point of only one breeding pair, especially in a higher order species like humans is to me... implausible.

You've seen what happens with even small populations like Mormons, or low variation like Dalmatians... genetic instability and retardation.

Urgh, can't stand it when old topics are brought back up. .lol.

The idea of creating a stable gene pool from a start point of only one breeding pair, especially in a higher order species like humans is to me... implausible.

You've seen what happens with even small populations like Mormons, or low variation like Dalmatians... genetic instability and retardation.


I'm a firm beliver in de-evolution (not that I've read into it or anything), think that over time the human race has become more and more dependant on externals, tools and so on,that wehave lost touchwith ourselves almost completelyand aren't capable of half the things we used to be.

Forgetting the biblical Adam and Eve all of us (homosapiens) can trace our heritage toone Man and WomaninAfrica as in we all have a common gene in us that stems from those two people. Check out;

[align=center]http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic[/align]
They don't say that they're Adam and Eve as they only go back 40,000 years and the human race is older than that but entire populations can be traced back to specific tribes or people. As people migrated their genes mutated, the mutations are used as markers in tracing peoples genesso the same thing could be said of the Biblical Adam and Eve, maybe their childrens genes, ''mutated''making them diffrent enough for them to copulate and populate. confused3

Other than that you have theories that Adam and Eve weren't the only two people around at the time, that they were made for a specific purpose carrying that gene as Homosapiens butthey siredtheir children whoin turn went off and copulated with other types of humanoid. Theres the question over Cain, he was outcast after killing his brother but who did he marry if they were the only people on the planet at the time?

Fact is there are diffrent types of humanoids from Homosapiens to Neanderthals, theres quite a few that aren't counted as typical Homosapien which is the only one considered to be (truely) human, the Pigmies of Africa for example differ genetically from people considered to be Homosapien... Just to knock peoples rationale... as you walk the street you're actually surrounded by people whos genetic make up may not be considered ''Human'', as in they may be Human-oid but theyaren't Homosapiens and therefore aren't ''Human''.

*Pause for thought*

Now scoff if you will but certain peoples genetics can't be traced back to that tribe in Ethiopia or Africa, they're off the scale as in their liniage can be traced but it dissapears at a certain point. If you take a geno test with the National Genographic it'll come with a side note, that some people (it says Africans but it applies to other peoples as well) can't be traced back to that 40,000 year marker.

Always saying this on BNV but people should really look into what the Tribes people of Africa and Austrailia have to say, taking into account that we're (supposedly) the first peoples and the tribes are the custodians of history you'd think people would pay them more respect. They talk of races of human beings who were wiped out in floods and various atrocities, mythological tales of, ''The First People'' and ''The Second People'' (and others)including their relatives who are still around today. Match this with scientifical archeological info on various types of humanoid and it startsstands up to the point where I personally have more faith and respect for what the tribes have to say than thosescientists.

Not to drift off topic but those scientists feel no way about doing a bit ofAnthropology and theiving knowledge, from herbal remedies to historical information. Did you know that the tribes people of Africa can read the Heiroglyps in Kemet? For some reason people don't connect the two, they even call their form of writing something else to sever the link fact is its the same and the Kamu had TWO forms of writing one for documents (Demotic/Heratic) the other for religious texts (Heirogliphs).



[align=center]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieratic[/align]

[align=left]With all that trouble in translating Egyptian texts you'd think they'd ask us to translate it for them and with their B.S proclaiming to have 'found out' that humanity comes from Africa you'd think those Africans didn't know already as though its not in their folklore along with other ancient tales. The Zulu call it; ''When the Rocks were too soft'' the Aborigionees call it, ''Dream time'' btw. [/align]

HLF,
From my own experience and conversations, there are even smart and intelligent people that lack spiritual knowledge and understanding.
If these people were truly intelligent, they wouldn't neglect spiritual developement. I'm not saying that people shouldn't examine themselves and their places in the grand scheme. Just that they don't need some 'good book' or power hungre maniac telling them how to live their lives.

Just look at certain interpritations of the bible reguading us.

Here is a question of understanding for you: Why would I suggest something that has not worked for black people, religion and all of its offspring? What I speak of is spirituality and there is a difference between the two, know the difference.
Black people are a very intuitive and naturally spiritual people, there are certain basic truths they do know as a whole, but they go along all the wrong paths in relation to those truths.
Agreed, that is why I am so anti-religion.

A man without true spiritual awaness is like a car without pertol. These people often have a vary two-dimentional view of the world and when your percieve your enviroment this way, you become grounded in the purly 'material'. We see this in people whos entire life revolve around posessions and image and money. But you can also be too spritual, with the opposite reuslts....no vary good if you have a family and live in todays climate!

You need to be able to strike a balance

A lack of spiritual thinking and understanding has broken black people up from operating on the same accord.
True, as well as the whole 'materialistic life-style' which is targeted at black africans in particular...your unlikely to be thinking to 'spiritually' if you obssesed with looking sharp!

As the say, "think for yourself, seek knowledge for yourself, know yourself". With that being said and written, there is a huge difference between X number of religious cults and a few people on the path searching and building up knowledge of spiritual truth. We all have a spirit and if an individual undertands his own spirit and the source of his spirit, he can sort everything out.
Again, true. People who follow organised religion don't tend to 'think' 'seek' or 'know' for themselves, instead they do these things for their religion and to be a good little memeber of whatever cult they have fallen into.

Often, they seek clarification and interpretation from their religions leader on some of the most important and/or most trivial matters.

Take the extream example of jehovah's witnesses, they would rather their child die, than have a blood transfusion. Because of their interpetation of the bible. What the hell is going on in peoples minds. It doesn't take and reading of scriptures nor discussions with a minister to tell me that my child comes first....not the notions of some dusty religion.

There is a time for everything, but the proper foundation before anything else. Otherwise, it would only produce more minds to be quickly enslaved.
Yep, but the first step is recognising, what the true soruces of the obsticles to building these foudations are, that isn't clearly defined yet.

I think what is needed is more understanding; black people are a universal people.
The understanding is that we aren't doing that well as a group or race. It shouldn't be so difficult for us to know what is in our best intrest, we know what needs to be done...we are after all, on that same planet.

Have you not learned throughout "history" and chronology that man with no spiritual fortituion is easily corruptible when given power or over a certain amount of control over others?
Yeah, I learned that decades ago. I definatly know myself and know my own mind. It's a sad twist of fate that those in power are the most corruptible.

Guide lines and principles on conduct are needed.

If you know your science, there is very little science behind what is called "race". What you speak of is not "racial pride" at the root of it's essence, what you speak of is love, confidence and consideration for one's own people. That can only come from understanding and knowing the truth about your people. If black people really knew their people like they should, then knowing them would be the precursor and facilitation to loving them.
No, I am definatly speaking of ' racial pride'.

We are subject to a constant barrage of negative portrayals about our history, looks, contributions, customs, mental capcity, values, place in society, etc. The list really could go on.

No other 'race' in history, not even the jews, have been and still are is targeted in such a way. This 'attack' is so bad, that certain rats (those that call themselves mulattoes) are desperate to jump ship as they think we are going under.

THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO DOUPT IN MY MIND, for the need of racial pride. Just 'knowing each other' and 'loving each other' isn't anywhere near enough, I know may 'types' of black africans and I can't stand them!

I don't want to know anymore fncked up people!

It is not enough as that will not go anyway towards re-address the blatant lies and attempts to put us down. If you think that you are not valued, you will never produce anything of value. Likewise, if you don't have high asperations, you will never aspire to 'high'.

Today, urban pride is rife, and we can see how the youth aspire to live up to it's ideals, poor them!

A healthy dose of racial pride should help them prioritise.

Whilst I accept ''there is very little science behind what is called "race". ''on a scientific level, we all know that in reality,this is just not true. We all can I dentify who we think of as black/african, who we think as white, asian, or oriental. The world is still opperating on racial social grouping grounds and so should we until things change.

I would say promote knowledge of self;pride is overinflated confidence with lack of being humble to me. The most powerful people has to be the most humble; it is the needed equilibrium.
We are told ,both subtlety and blatantly, that we are 'ignorrant savages', we don't kick up too much of a fuss about it, how humble can you get, so we really should be a lot more powerful! Joke.

What do you think of when you hear the words ''Italy and Itaians'' :-

Ancient history, Da Vinci, art, fast cars, desginer clothes, , tasty cuisine,

Why are they seen this way. Self publicity! They shout it from the roof tops. They're is nothing wrong with being proud of who or what you are and what you have accomplished.

Why should it be any differnt for us? Yes, there is a time to be humble, but there is a time to shout to the world. Don't let people think that you are embarrased to be who you are.

I have no problem with telling other about black history and contributions, and if they want to argue about it, I'll go there.sport-smiley That's what pride is!

What are numbers if the masses of that number cannot think as individuals to work dynamically, collectively and have no sound knowledge of the things that are most important for themselves because they would know it as being proven to be true (because they had the desire to know) and not by only taking another's word for it? Nothing more than non-thinking foot soldiers. I know the failing is not only not working together, that is only a surface observation to a deeper underlying root problem.

Have you heard of the black American tale of Tulsa, Oklahoma (also know as Black Wallstreet), where blacks reached a level of self-sufficiency? What did they lack? They worked together as a community, yet it was taken away from them. Ever heard of the saying, "What God gives, no man may take away?"

This is why it is important to raise some pride, and by pride I mean a list of attributes that is agreed upon as being in our collective intrest, aswell as the truth about our history. I consider it racial pride for a person to educate themself and to be 'aware' not just of themself nor their race, but to be aware of the life. Someone like this, could never be 'just a foot soldier'. And this is what we should strive towards.

Indipendent thought but a global, racial perspective and objective.

Well then, since you know about the religious, then you must learn about the spiritual as well. Because if you don't, just like most white people, you will lump them all together as being the same.
I know the differnce between religion and spiritual, that's how I have avoilded the 'pit fall' of religion.

Knowledge facilitates thinking in the understanding of right and wrong, but after people know what the right thing to do is, who will do the right thing? Maybe people know "the right thing" to do but they still don't do it. The people that do are the ones that have the desire in them to do it. That is why I say to all those who have the desire to do it, do it, do the right thing.
Right and wrong are subjective notions.

It is wrong to kill, but if someone is going to harm you or a loved one, TAKE THAT PERSON OUT!! and I don't mean for dinner and a movie!

What is important is knowing what is right under the circumstances and knowing the concequences of you actions/in action. All too many people are in prison because they knew the differnce between right and wrong, but they gave no reguard to the conseqences of their actions or 'pack' mentality took over.

If you teach kids to 'evaluate' from a young age, you will produce a well rounded adult, that's not to say that they will always do the right thing, because we are all human, but they will make imformed choises, that hopefully, will not leave the regretting their actions!