Does It Make Sense For A *Personal* God to Exist???

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#1 (**permalink**))

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Now to the question...Does It Make Sense For A Personal God to Exist?

Myphilosophical argument ultimately concludes, NO.

When I say "personal God", I am talking about a God that does the following:

- "Answers prayers"
-"Performs miracles"
- Influences nature such as causing earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis,and so forth for some divine purpose or lesson.
- Bendsthe willof people to make a theological point like9/11,Iraq & Afghan Wars, Jewish Holocaust, and so forth.
- Inserts tragic defects into human endeavors to humble man like the Titanic, space shuttle crashes (Columbia), train derailings, plane crashes, and so forth.
- Administer "blessings" and "consequences" during our lifetime for our behavior.
- Revealing messages or any kind of intimate interaction with specific people or groups of mankind.

Let's make somecrude realizationsabout what "God" is. God is supposed to be all-powerful, all-knowing, and theepitome of righteousness. How can an entity deemed as "God" bless the most crooked people to ever live, yet allow the most righteous to suffer?There are countless real-world examples present and throughout history.

Why would God punish innocent Americans with 9/11 (as some have said), yet turn a blind eye to other crookedness in the world. Surely God would be able to punish all inequities, butGod does not. If we even try to rationalize why God would pick and choose these things, we only make ourselves out to sound extremely stupid...quite frankly because it is incredibly stupid for a God to do that.

Therefore, we must remove one of the properties for "God", whereeither God isn't all-powerful, isn't all-knowing, or isn't the epitome of righteousness. You can pick one, but I don't think God would be God if he wasn't all-powerful or all-knowing...which means God can simply not be righteous. This notion seems a bit wierd, and is the idea of God that the Mesopotamianscame up with. I have to say that an unrighteous God only confers to many other questions, which suggests this simply cannot be the case either.

So what are we left with other than that God must be a non-personal all-powerful & all-knowing being? This is where I am at with the question of the thread.

Does It Make Sense For A Personal God to Exist? Please give your justifications for which ever is your conclusion...

defyfear · (#2 (**permalink**))

Just playing around with this topic...

You cant worship a personal God if your dead so while alive we can certainly beleive a personal God will and does answer our trouble needs for all whether deemed good or bad.

Self preservation in calamity leading to survival is a strong testimony of the existance of personal God.

People claiming to survive near-death experiences gives the impression that their God personal lead them back to the living.

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HLF · (#3 (**permalink**))

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:

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Let's make somecrude realizationsabout what "God" is. God is supposed to be all-powerful, all-knowing, and theepitome of righteousness. How can an entity deemed as "God" bless the most crooked people to ever live, yet allow the most righteous to suffer?There are countless real-world examples present and throughout history.

Why would God punish innocent Americans with 9/11 (as some have said), yet turn a blind eye to other crookedness in the world. Surely God would be able to punish all inequities, butGod does not. If we even try to rationalize why God would pick and choose these things, we only make ourselves out to sound extremely stupid...quite frankly because it is incredibly stupid for a God to do that.

All this occurs because they serve a false and idolgod, or not the One God, none at all. There is only one God as the Source of all spirit, it is only a matter of finding the rightname. Why would the Supreme God work for any people that don't acknowledge Him by correct name?That is what is personal about it, regardless if everyone seeks Him, worships Him, obeys Him, He Will Be What He Will Be, His existence does not rely on our existence. We have been very impersonal towards Him, not only that, we have served fake Gods which is cutting Him out of His true role. A Father that sustains His son's life in many different ways, yet the son chooses not to acknowledge the Father and bluntly disrespects the Father? What Father wouldn't want to tap that butt with a belt of chastisement? A personal god is worthless unless it is the One True God and even He suppose to not one person's private God not to be shared in acknowledgement of truth.

Crooked people with "purchased souls" that get lots ofmaterial gain, they are deemed blessed? Money really isn't worth the paper it is printed on. People who worship materialism are cursed. The lowest frequency the mind can operate on is strictly the carnal (physical) level. If people are willing to sell themselves symbolically for pleasure through all forms of instant gratification, who is really making out like a fat rat for getting something pricessless for something so worthless? Seeing with two eyes minus the third is equal to not really seeing at all. No left eye for understanding, no right eye for insight and surely not the third for spiritual truth.

What really makes a righteous person righteous is the foundation of knowledge, placed into action. Being a "good soul" that knows nothing in terms of the knowledge of the higher planes will make one open to a lot of suffering, that only allows the wicked to rule over us. I experienced that firsthand and wondered, "why?" until the answer I sought for the question revealed itself. Wickednesshad its fun ruling over me, but now that I know and more people know, the tides are turning.

Influential · (#4 (**permalink**))

Each believers relationship with God is unique, thus making them believe in a personal God, because there are no two relationships between God and a person the same.. So yes, there is such things as a personal God.

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#5 (**permalink**))

HLF wrote:

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All this occurs because they serve a false and idolgod, or not the One God, none at all. There is only one God as the Source of all spirit, it is only a matter of finding the rightname. Why would the Supreme God work for any people that don't acknowledge Him by correct name?
If God isomnipotent, omniscient, "the Source of all", etc., then what makes you think this Supreme Entity even has a name that you could comprehend? Furthermore, for you to ascertain the name from God somehow, then that would mean God had to choose someone to reveal this divine information to. This then perpetuates the issue of the thread. The notion is far from rational, and certainly illogical.

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#6 (**permalink**))

Influential wrote:

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Each believers relationship with God is unique, thus making them believe in a personal God, because there are no two relationships between God and a person the same.. So yes, there is such things as a personal God.

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Does not a "relationship" connote a 2-way street? So you think God talks to each individual person? How so?...or perhaps give a couple examples.

saywone1 · (#7 (**permalink**))

Personally I do believe that having a personal god is benificial to each person but I do not think that the god we all commonly come to know and worship is not what we should be praising and answering to. Without drifting off the question the personal 'god' I think we all have is a the power we have as human beings to lets say 'make things happen'. This is an ability I think we all have as humans but which somefail to conjur to the best of our abilities.When you pray you are not communicating with a god in 'the guy in the sky' sense its the energy and spirit you have manifested through praying and being more consciousand intune withwhatsnatuarlly around you which is the earth and solar system we live in.

Influential · (#8 (**permalink**))

God does communicate with each and every 1 of his children, talkin isnt the only way to communicate, if you have read the scriptures there are those who have the ability to talk directly with God, to hear his voice, and others communicate with God in different ways even until this day . Communication is usuallyquestion and answer, if we ask God for something he will reply, but do we have the spiritual understanding to realise that God has answered our question?... Maybe or Maybe not... Perhaps God is trying to communicate with you, open your eyes and ears...

Peace

saywone1 · (#9 (**permalink**))

Influential wrote:

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God does communicate with each and every 1 of his children, talkin isnt the only way to communicate, if you have read the scriptures there are those who have the ability to talk directly with God, to hear his voice, and others communicate with God in different ways even until this day . Communication is usuallyquestion and answer, if we ask God for something he will reply, but do we have the spiritual understanding to realise that God has answered our question?... Maybe or Maybe not... Perhaps God is trying to communicate with you, open your eyes and ears...

Peace

LOL

Influential · (#10 (**permalink**))

saywone1, I understand why you are all "LOL" about my comment, because its often human nature to reject, or belittle something that you don't understand or have yet to experience.... maybe not 2moro, not even in a year, maybe not even 10 years, but one day you won't be so "LOL"...

Peace

Mamoulian · (#11 (**permalink**))

defyfear wrote:

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Just playing around with this topic...

You cant worship a personal God if your dead ......

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Salaam.

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I disagree with this.

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Worshipping God is completely submitting to a divine force which is beyond time and space.... The more of your own 'will' that you erase (ie, the greater your submittance) the closer you come to the divine force.

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For this reason the dead - who possess no will - are madeof pure faith.

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On the subject of the thread.... in my mind it is not possible for humans to determine whether God exists or not since the world exists prior to us.

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#12 (**permalink**))

Influential wrote:

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God does communicate with each and every 1 of his children, talkin isnt the only way to communicate, if you have read the scriptures there are those who have the ability to talk directly with God, to hear his voice, and others communicate with God in different ways even until this day . Communication is usuallyquestion and answer, if we ask God for something he will reply, but do we have the spiritual understanding to realise that God has answered our question?... Maybe or Maybe not... Perhaps God is trying to communicate with you, open your eyes and ears...

You have just demonstrated why a personal "God" cannot exist. You see, if "God" is by definition omnipotent and omniscient, then it is impossible for this entity to be "trying to communicate with you". There would be no ambiguities in the message, and no room for interpretation as people manifest scores of interpretations when reading the world's purported "holy books". Then there is the problem surfacing again as to why God would choose to talk to some but not others. Do you see how trying to justify this only makes you look like an irrational being? **I am not trying to be facetious**