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11-07-06, 04:03 PM
Some say it's so.
Was our history pre-planned? Is it taking us somewhere?
What are your thoughts?
Yu tink se me dun but me na dun!
"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast".
Good News Bible. Rev. Ch.13 V.3
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11-07-06, 05:10 PM
Is time a lake or a pool of water?
I think we have destinations, things to do and a limit on it all... once you've done what you've got to do or run out of that limit you pass onto the next world where you go about achiving goals there.
Romantic eh? (  )
I don't belive in coincidences and in not beliving in them I belive that things were meant to be, hence we all have a path to follow and an ultimate destination.
Awaits comments on free will... beware the CNC!
(Chinese nerve chop)
“There is no harder misfortune in all human history than when the powerful of the earth are not also the first men. Then everything becomes false and awry and monstrous. And when they are even the last men and more beast than man, then the value of rabble rises higher and higher and at last the rabble-virtue says: Behold, I alone am virtue.”- S.A.Israel
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11-07-06, 07:25 PM
@Saida yes our destiny is predetermined to a large degree in accordance with broader metaphysical rules and plans and we are influenced by a range of important forces or energies. Be they the time we were born, or characteristics etc. But we have a choice in how we make decisions.
All souls are here for a particular experience which they can only receive by the challenges and obstacles that specific individual faces. Conciousness is the process by which people discover their purpose and you know that when all these forces come together and things either happen or become very very easily.
Sometimes sh*t can happen to you as recently happened to a bredrin of mine and you can say how can a man who is so careful and concious can suffer several identical problems. How can a man be so careful and unlucky at the same time.
But sometimes the higher powers are communicating to you that you need to take another course and once you do everything suddenly becomes easier because that is your path and one which is predetermine and those blows he took are simply important experiences which he must experience to increase his conciousness in order to learn and pass that on in the process of finding his path.
That is why people like me consult my traditonal spirtual medium on a regular basis because they know what your path and can help you to untangle the complexities of the physycial world so you can work with the force and not against it and work yourself up more and get dejected and frustrated.
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11-07-06, 08:22 PM
I truly believe in destiny and that we all have a path. but sometimes it can be difficult to stay on the path and to believe that such a path exsists particularly when things happen to us. But these things are lessons that one must learn to appreciate where one ends up.
I often have to return to my spirituality to lift me up when i want to give up on where it is i feel i am destined to go. some people's paths are straight but others like myself have alot of things that happen along the way but its my faith in the upmost high that keeps me going.
before i go off on one i just read this in the book the alchemist:
'destiny is what you have always wanted to accomplish. everyone when they are young knows what their destiny is. at that point in their lives everything is clear and everything is possible. they are not afraid to dream and yearn. but as time passes a mysterious force begins to convince them it will be impossible for them to realize their destiny'
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11-07-06, 08:59 PM
Nah, you're here cos your parents met by chance and had sex. Thats it.
You're born, and you die and you pay taxes in the middle. That much is destiny. The rest you make up as you go along.
If everything had a reason humans wouldn't be so obsessed with constantly asking "why?" about everything. There is no why. Shit happens... people don't like that though so all the extras come in to make us feel nicer and important. BAH!
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11-07-06, 09:07 PM
@ DM: to say that there is no destiny to me means that you just wake up each day do the same old shit and then carry it on the next day.
having destiny and actively following it is to me what life is about therefore everything does happen for a reason. why would the most high god create us to leave us to roam on this so called earth?
although sometimes people say that everything happens for a reason becuas ethey dont know what to say when stuff does happen.
maybe ur right maybe its keeping me going thinking that things happen for a reason but then again at least i haev something to aim for
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11-07-06, 09:59 PM
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@ DM: to say that there is no destiny to me means that you just wake up each day do the same old sh*t and then carry it on the next day.
umm no you have it backwards
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Saying there is no destiny means I get up each day with the free will to decide what I do and what happens.
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Saying what I did retrrospectively in hindsight was destiny is lazy and takes away from the decisions I as an individual make. If everything is destiny I might as well not bother making any choices or doing anything decisive since what will be will be.
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Percieve the world in that way if you will, that of the helpless bystander to the machinations of big forces. Myself I'm a key player and doer in my own life.
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11-07-06, 10:00 PM
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@ DM: to say that there is no destiny to me means that you just wake up each day do the same old sh*t and then carry it on the next day.
umm no you have it backwards
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Saying there is no destiny means I get up each day with the free will to decide what I do and what happens.
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Saying what I did retrrospectively in hindsight was destiny is lazy and takes away from the decisions I as an individual make. If everything is destiny I might as well not bother making any choices or doing anything decisive since what will be will be.
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Percieve the world in that way if you will, that of the helpless bystander to the machinations of big forces. Myself I'm a key player and doer in my own life.
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11-07-06, 10:21 PM
I used to wonder stuff like whywas Iborn 197_ instead of another time period, but that's just how it is.
I also don't believe EVERYTHING happens for a reason, cos that's just nonsense. For instance, I didn't fall off my bike and break my arm when I wasnine for any specific purpose.
Most things happen for no reason at all or just through man's actions. The belief in predestination to me is just a foolish concept that can cause psychological and emotional turmoil to those who are less fortunate in life due to poverty, illness etc.
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11-07-06, 10:28 PM
@DM bro you have repeated the western rationalism down the line which is fundamentally flawed and also a reflection of the immaturity of western civilisaton and culture. Older and objectively more advanced cultures all over the world take the view that you make individual choices within a more complex framework. Great African leaders in history who changed the course of world history by their individual decisions also were concerned with the spiritual and metaphysical. That is why we produced the mosta advance societies known to humankind.
It is not one or the other and why many white western scholars have spent so long writing about spritual power, the soul and all that type thing because the complexity of life cannot simply be put down to man's will. Man did not will himself into existence.
Man did not create himself and his universe which has a fundamental logic and overall design. All animals and physical life actually complement each other in one of the greatest pieces of human engineering which showls clearly someoverriding and guiding higher intelligence. The relationship of man to plants trees, animals, the natural world, the physcial and other world is so complementary that is must be produced by a higher intelligence, which has a fundamental purpose in that design.
I was passionate in becoming a medical doctor because anyone who seriously studies the human body will be absolutely amazed in how it is designed, every part of it carefully contructed and complementary. Every sub system of the body works so intricately in complmenting other subsystem, simply reproducing the way the natural and cosmic world operates.
So whether you or I like it, we were designed by higher intelligence and that intelligence and conciousness had a purpose in that design. We have not come about randomly or by accident. The human body has not evolved. It was perfect from inception and by design as are all the systems which make up reality.
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11-07-06, 10:46 PM
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@DM bro you have repeated the western rationalism down the line which is fundamentally flawed and also a reflection of the immaturity of western civilisaton and culture. Older and objectively more advanced cultures all over the world take the view that you make individual choices within a more complex framework. Great African leaders in history who changed the course of world history by their individual decisions also were concerned with the spiritual and metaphysical. That is why we produced the mosta advance societies known to humankind.
It is not one or the other and why many white western scholars have spent so long writing about spritual power, the soul and all that type thing because the complexity of life cannot simply be put down to man's will. Man did not will himself into existence.
Man did not create himself and his universe which has a fundamental logic and overall design. All animals and physical life actually complement each other in one of the greatest pieces of human engineering which showls clearly someoverriding and guiding higher intelligence. The relationship of man to plants trees, animals, the natural world, the physcial and other world is so complementary that is must be produced by a higher intelligence, which has a fundamental purpose in that design.
I was passionate in becoming a medical doctor because anyone who seriously studies the human body will be absolutely amazed in how it is designed, every part of it carefully contructed and complementary. Every sub system of the body works so intricately in complmenting other subsystem, simply reproducing the way the natural and cosmic world operates.
So whether you or I like it, we were designed by higher intelligence and that intelligence and conciousness had a purpose in that design. We have not come about randomly or by accident. The human body has not evolved. It was perfect from inception and by design as are all the systems which make up reality.
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Sorry Fred but you've used rhetoric to say how my perspective is "western" and "flawed" and your viewpoint is "ancient" and I suppose somehow wise? You haven't really addressed why.
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Not everything has a meaning Fred. Why did I just scratch my nose? Was it destiny? Did some force thousands of years ago decree that on this day Drunk monkey's nose would so itch? I don't think so.
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Stuff happens, you control how you react to that stuff. Believing in manifest destiny comes of an arrogance. Thatvery human arrogance which says that we are the centre of everything and all important. There isn't a reason for things. We just want to believe there is so that we feel as if we're in control or on top of things we aren't. Like death for example. You want to believe your loved ones death had significance or manifest meaning. It didn't. They died because they were mortal like you. YOU now control wether that persons existance had meaning in how you choose to celebrate or remember them.
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What would Elvis be without Priscilla making him into a legend he wasn't? She as much as him is responsible for white people worshipping that man. She could have rolled over and dissapeared and let his memory slowly fade. No destiny. Her choice.
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It's narcissim of a sort. You or I are not that important in the grand scheme of things. Nobody paved your path Fred, you did it yourself. Or it's a refusal to accept your mortal responsiblity for the consequences of your actions. By passing the responsibility onto unexplained forces or destiny for what happens to you... it's not your fault.
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It's not your fault you're a homeless drunk bum... it's destiny! I'm not buying it. It's your fault your a drunk... ya dig?
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Human free will over bogeymen making your choices anyday.
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