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29-09-06, 02:32 PM
What exactly is KNOWLEDGE....lets get rid of the definition its most broad and quite frankly deceptive form.....KNOWLEDGE IS WHAT YOU KNOW (innit?)
The dictionary provides us with the following definitions:
1. the sum of what is known
2. acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition
3. the body of truths or facts accumulated in the course of time.
For all the big brains out there (dont mean to be patronising) I am sure you wouldn't settle for these inept definitions for one second!!! Why?? Well because they are all incomplete, insufficient and bereft of proper tangible substance - and you dont have to have watched teh matrix to know that!
what do you "KNOW"??
People once "knew" that the world was flat!!...Is that Knowledge??
Is "truth" KNOWLEDGE??
It may have something to do with it but we must remember that TRUTH can be subjective, what is TRUE for one may not be TRUE for another.
WHAT IS KNOWLEDGE???
Plato said: for a statement to be classed as knowledge is must be; Justified, True, and Belived.
There aremany who disagree with this definition saying its too broad still! And then ther are the staunch Skeptics...who would refute that KNOWLEDGE is attainable at all.
but what do you think???? WHAT IS KNOWLEDGE??
People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.
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03-10-06, 02:10 PM
This may sound like it was not thought out at all, but here it goes...
[align=center]KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.[/align]
We have all heard it before, but perhaps we didn't percieve its full scope. You may say that there are really stupid people with power (President George W. Bush), well, that is because knowledge is transferred to successive generations if preserved.A person being stupid is only a judgement on their intellectual or knowledge capacity, not the knowledge they have inherited.
When we have power to influence, control,or manifest currents in people, politics, technology, nature, biology, or otherwise, we are merely exercising our knowledge; whether that knowledge was ascertained or inherited.
If we were real citizens, then there would be no need for "Civil Rights". There are already enough laws on the law books to protect the rights of real citizens.
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03-10-06, 08:47 PM
The realization of knowledge is more important than knowledge by itself..
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04-10-06, 10:33 AM
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The realization of knowledge is more important than knowledge by itself..
How about the realization that knowledge is unattainable?? I know you are a big brain peacemaker.....i just want to see what you come up with (out of intellectual admiration of course)
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04-10-06, 10:38 AM
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How can knowledge be power?? Is it more likely that "what we think we KNOW has power"??
I think that knowledge and politics breed a misconception of the word....does being party to arcane and esotericdiscussions or observations really amount to KNOWLEDGE??
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05-10-06, 02:36 PM
I could know alot about some abstract topic but if it serves no purpose knowing about it then its worthless.
Posh spice has had three boob jobs... What power is there in knowing that? confused3
Fred from coronation street is going to be written off, dying of a heart attack at his wedding....
What use does that level of knowledge have, what application except prehaps for meanial conversation... even then...?
Knowledge is the aqusition of information suited to said person and includes its application or use in that persons life. You can know something but not be able to apply that knowledge rendering it just as useless as knowing the ins and outs of Posh spices eating habits.You can read about her diet but ifyou're not able to apply that knowledge thenyou may as well not bother.
Therefore knowledge is more the application of information than the information itself. Once a person knows how to apply knowledge in a given situation hebecomes knowledge-able.Able in its application more than its pursual.
“There is no harder misfortune in all human history than when the powerful of the earth are not also the first men. Then everything becomes false and awry and monstrous. And when they are even the last men and more beast than man, then the value of rabble rises higher and higher and at last the rabble-virtue says: Behold, I alone am virtue.”- S.A.Israel
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05-10-06, 03:13 PM
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I could know alot about some abstract topic but if it serves no purpose knowing about it then its worthless.
Posh spice has had three boob jobs... What power is there in knowing that? confused3
Fred from coronation street is going to be written off, dying of a heart attack at his wedding....
What use does that level of knowledge have, what application except prehaps for meanial conversation... even then...?
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I think you have just demonstrated the distinction between data/information and real knowledge. Data and information are useless facts about the world. Knowledge is cohesive information about how or why the world is what it is.
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Information would be being told you get shocked if you touch a live wire. Knowledge is understanding that electrical current always flows in the path of least resistance; where when you touch the wire, your body has a lot less resistivity than the air. Therefore, you have created an alternate (and more desireable) path for the current to flow, that is through your body. With this mere knowledge, simple digital circuits are created, which are compounded and integrated to make the technologies that you enjoy today by harnessing the potential of nature.
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If we were real citizens, then there would be no need for "Civil Rights". There are already enough laws on the law books to protect the rights of real citizens.
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05-10-06, 03:16 PM
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Shemsi en Tehuti
How can knowledge be power?? Is it more likely that "what we think we KNOW has power"??
I think that knowledge and politics breed a misconception of the word....does being party to arcane and esotericdiscussions or observations really amount to KNOWLEDGE??
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As I explained to RL, there is a distinction between mere data or information, and that which is real knowledge. Discussions is only the exercise of exchanging information. It only becomes knowledge when it can be harnessed to actuate something in the Universe.
If we were real citizens, then there would be no need for "Civil Rights". There are already enough laws on the law books to protect the rights of real citizens.
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05-10-06, 04:26 PM
[align=left]*Therefore knowledge is more the application of information than the information itself. Once a person knows how to apply knowledge in a given situation hebecomes knowledge-able.Able in its application more than its pursual*
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[align=left]Sothis would be more along the lines then?[/align]
[align=left]Proper definition; The psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning.[/align]
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“There is no harder misfortune in all human history than when the powerful of the earth are not also the first men. Then everything becomes false and awry and monstrous. And when they are even the last men and more beast than man, then the value of rabble rises higher and higher and at last the rabble-virtue says: Behold, I alone am virtue.”- S.A.Israel
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05-10-06, 05:40 PM
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[align=left]*Therefore knowledge is more the application of information than the information itself. Once a person knows how to apply knowledge in a given situation hebecomes knowledge-able.Able in its application more than its pursual*
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[align=left]Sothis would be more along the lines then?[/align]
[align=left]Proper definition; The psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning.[/align]
[align=left]I don't think knowledge is the "application" of anything. Your definition is like trying to classify a scientist the same as an engineer. The engineer applies the concepts of science; however, that doesn't make the engineer a scientist nor the scientist an engineer. The scientist ascertainsthe knowledge, but the engineer applies it.[/align]
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If we were real citizens, then there would be no need for "Civil Rights". There are already enough laws on the law books to protect the rights of real citizens.
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05-10-06, 05:54 PM
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How about the realization that knowledge is unattainable?? I know you are a big brain peacemaker.....i just want to see what you come up with (out of intellectual admiration of course)
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Well, that's wherefaith would come in.
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06-10-06, 02:29 AM
I don't think knowledge is the "application" of anything.Â* Your definition is like trying to classify a scientist the same as an engineer.Â* The engineer applies the concepts of science; however, that doesn't make the engineer a scientist nor the scientist an engineer.Â* The scientist ascertainsÂ*the knowledge, but the engineer applies it.
The know-how not just the know is the line I was (kind of) taking . If theres no how then what is knowledge?
To apply something is the ability to make information/data function as the engineer would but if the scientist was without a clue as to [i]how[/
I] a formula worked, I.e; couldn't apply it he'd be stumped. He could dance around full of formuli but not know if it worked... stuck in theory with no practical ability because he dosen't know-how... he is then not, knowledge-able .
What is knowledge if it has no application ... no use?
“There is no harder misfortune in all human history than when the powerful of the earth are not also the first men. Then everything becomes false and awry and monstrous. And when they are even the last men and more beast than man, then the value of rabble rises higher and higher and at last the rabble-virtue says: Behold, I alone am virtue.”- S.A.Israel
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06-10-06, 04:15 AM
It seems to me that "KNOWLEDGE" is that which answers the question "what".
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