Reincarnation

Black Lion · (#1 (**permalink**))

Do you belive in reincarnation?

There are various theories on it but do you belive that people are reborn as 'someone else' to continue part of their journey or any other version of what is essencially the same thing?

It has always been a part of African culture/spirituality so no hiding people! My question is. If there is such a thing as reincarnation... what did we do in our past lives to deserve what we are going through as a nation? Where did we go wrong?

Happy to talk/waffle about about reincarnation and the diffrent theories though.

HTP

RL

blessingfromgod · (#2 (**permalink**))

"what did we do in our past lives to deserve what we are going through as a nation? Where did we go wrong? " Bloody good question Aped..., Did we defy the lord to the extent that we are now suffering as a nation since slavery.

My elders sisters last born was born days after myGrandmother past, apperntly she was a dead ringer for her when she was born, now she is said to have many of the same traits as my Grandmother such as food dislikes etc, her elder brother and sister havean weirdrespect for her, nobody bats an eylid when she is verbally scolding them etc,it odd.

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#3 (**permalink**))

Nope...

There is no such thing as an immaterial soul to shift between humans after death. Your entire personality is characterized by the chemicals in your brain (RNA, etc.), which is totally of the physical world. As usual, the personality and behavior is what is said to dictate the placement after death.

If we assume that reincarnation does occur, then what happens when the death rate in the world is larger than the birth rate? Did God create some Soul Storage Structure, likea stack or a queue (for the software engineers) to buffer the souls until there is a body born for them to jump into?

On the converse, what happens when the birth rate is larger than the death rate in the world? Does God have souls being "created"out ofsome supernatural factory to meet the demand?

What about when we start cloning humans? Are they without a soul, or was that in the divine plan of reincarnation to give someonea cloned body?

In the end,reincarnation is just another belief system that attempts to explain what happens after death...and it is just as flimsy as someone waiting to judge you, some entity rewarding you with 72 virgins for some selfless deed, spending eternity either in everlasting fire or with some schizophrenic multiple personality disordered god, or any of the other "theories" about what happens after death. Peace...

umbrarchist · (#4 (**permalink**))

Believing, suspecting and knowing are three different things. Knowing is difficult, believing is stupid.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...10683,,00.html

http://www.softforall.com/store/Revi...851938-10.html

umbrarchist

Peacemaker · (#5 (**permalink**))

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Do you belive in reincarnation?

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Yes,I wishI didn't. Nothingis more annoying than the thought of coming back here again to be frank.....it would seem like failure. Ignorance isn't bliss in the long term though.

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Quite a few teachings out there tell youhow find out what they were, via looking in theAkashic Record Book, via meditational practices, which involve things like Astral, Soul, Mental body travel etc, etc.

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My advice though is to avoid them since they tend to be cultish(Scientology for example teaches it amongst other things)and withinsecret societies and the like. .. It's not all that important to know about though and only serves to be a distraction anyway. Buddhism is abit off, so looking there will only confuse people.

There are various theories on it but do you belive that people are reborn as 'someone else' to continue part of their journey or any other version of what is essencially the same thing?

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The core personality remains the same, unless something happens here inlife which changes a person, whichhappens to just about everybody, since society does change people inextreme ways.

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For one example ifa womanbecomes toofeminine in this lifetime lets say,they'll incarnate as amale next time to balance themself out....however they will be still attracted to males so they will be gay.And if a male becomes toomasculine then they'll become a woman in the next life and be a lesbian since they'll still be naturally attracted to women. A phenomena which has increased within the last 70 years or soI've noticed.

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Though incarnations tend to be gender specific, unless the above happens.

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Another example is a person addicted to **** might become a **** star in the next life if those sort of lustful thoughts from this lifefollow through into that life. And the same goes for just about everything. One of the reasons mental and emotional discipline is all important. Lose control and you're open to all sorts possiblities, normally bad ones.

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You don't become someone else, you just have a different body, in which to develop new attitudes, and beliefs which follow on into the next life for the most part, along with some of the previous ones as well.Obviously your direct memories of past lives don't. The conscious mind can only store so much as it is, and for most people the minute they die they forget about the previous life anyway, the same way you forget aboutthe previous dayawake while you're dreaming. So only the core personality which is.........insert name......... remains during the period between incarnations which has no set period.

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That personality(attitudes, beliefs, etc)is dismantled and pusheddeep into the subconsciousaround about thebirth into the next life. Some of your previous lives stronger attitudes and beliefs, Phobiasbecome activated during that lifetime, others don't. Some people who were Christians for example in the past suddenly become one later on in thenext life, since the circumstances were just ripe (normally one of suffering)to activate that desire, attitude, faith orwhateverin them, others may find something else that seems true and homelyto them, since subconsciously they're familar with it, so naturally it would.

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It has always been a part of African culture/spirituality so no hiding people! My question is. If there is such a thing as reincarnation... what did we do in our past lives to deserve what we are going through as a nation? Where did we go wrong?

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Better to think in terms of I instead of we. It's actually worse in somewaysto be in the English speaking nations, since that's where people develop alot of their problems. For example alot of serial Killers come from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Australia...more so than other countries. The psychological problems westernersdevelop are much much worse than what occurselsewhere in the world. Selfishness, greed, arrogance, racism, sexual perversions, etc, etc. And unfortunately it's purely the psychological aspects which decides what type oflife you'll end up leading in the future. The only things set in stone are when you're born and when you die....but not how you die I might add.

People who commit suicide only delaytheir suffering, though next time they'll be better equipped to deal with whatever caused them to top themselves, but they will still face that same suffering.

It's not whatpeople havedone wrong in the past that is important, it's whatpeople aredoing wrong now which people should concern themselves with......and that's should include just about everybody. You're thinking too much about black people materially, that's why you think blacks have gone wrong somehow. From where I'm sitting Africans in Africa haven't at least. Elsewhereblacks arein the same position as whites since as far as I can see they have the same attitudes andsame desires and goals for the most part. They sure as hell have the same problems, which tend to be spiritual ones.

SpirituallyAfricans in Africa areno worse off than anyone else, in fact out of all I'd say whites probably have it worse Spirituality, since they're in the west which is where most of the negative psychological changes happen, coupled with excess drinking, and drug taking things are pretty bad for some. That's what alot of them have to look forward to unwittingly. A restful spirit it isn't.

Don't take my word for it.

Peacemaker · (#6 (**permalink**))

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:

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If we assume that reincarnation does occur, then what happens when the death rate in the world is larger than the birth rate?

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Something is going right when that happens. Also you'd be assuming that this is the only plane of existence.

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Did God create some Soul Storage Structure, likea stack or a queue (for the software engineers) to buffer the souls until there is a body born for them to jump into?

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Something like that. Call it the subconscious without the body. Others call it the Astral.

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On the converse, what happens when the birth rate is larger than the death rate in the world?

Obviously alot of people want to be here. That normally is a bad thing.

Does God have souls being "created"out ofsome supernatural factory to meet the demand?

Souls aren't created. Some can decide to come and expeience life for the first timeif they so desire. Very rare though. Most seem to be trapped.

What about when we start cloning humans? Are they without a soul, or was that in the divine plan of reincarnation to give someonea cloned body?

Would a soul choose to enter a cloned body? Probably not if it had the choice. However. It would be interesting to see what would happen. You'll find that it would behave more like an animal.

In the end,reincarnation is just another belief system that attempts to explain what happens after death...and it is just as flimsy as someone waiting to judge you, some entity rewarding you with 72 virgins for some selfless deed, spending eternity either in everlasting fire or with some schizophrenic multiple personality disordered god, or any of the other "theories" about what happens after death. Peace...

The way it is decribed by most it is onlya belief system.

umbrarchist · (#7 (**permalink**))

It has always been a part of African culture/spirituality so no hiding people! My question is. If there is such a thing as reincarnation... what did we do in our past lives to deserve what we are going through as a nation? Where did we go wrong?

Actually I ran across one book that said people can switch races. So karma would dictate that a White racist might find out what it is like in another life. Like apparently one of the things we are supposed to learn is how irrelevant these superficial things are. It's a big play ground but a lot of the kids are really dumb.

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umbrarchist · (#8 (**permalink**))

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:

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If we assume that reincarnation does occur, then what happens when the death rate in the world is larger than the birth rate?

It is a question of is there a place to hang out between lives? Look at the population growth over the last 200 years. If the system works on reincarnation where have all those souls been?

What is SHEOL?

The word HELL is not actually in the Bible.

http://www.bibletopics.com/BibleStudy/149.htm

Sheol In ancient Jewish beliefs, the dwelling place of the dead: "the land of gloom and deep darkness" (Job 10:21). It was generally believed that the good and the wicked alike dwell in Sheol. The apocryphal First Book of Enoch, however, describes Sheol as being divide into different regions, where the dead are rewarded or punished according to the lives they led. ("If This Goes Onâ€”", Starship Troopers)

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Jesus was Jewish afterall. How often do you hear about Jews believing in reincarnation? Why was the Catholic Church persecuting them for centuries. Everyone is supposed to toe the Catholic line. The Protestants haven't fallen that far from the tree.

Recycled Jews

How much does the Catholic Church say about Melchizedek?

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen042.html

I only learned a few years ago that there is a controversy over who wrote The Epistle to the Hebrews. My encyclopedia Britannica says:

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The lnguage of Hebrews is extremely polished, elegant and cultured Greek, the best in the New Testament.

Hebrews is normally attributed to Paul but the difference from other writings known to be by Paul makes this suspect. Another difference which I haven't seen much mention of is that Melchizedek in named 9 times in Hebrews. There are only 2 others in the entire Bible, Genesis and Psalms, which certainly weren't written by Paul. So why does Paul suddenly go Melchizedek crazy in Hebrews? Maybe someone a lot smarter and more knowledgeable than Paul wrote it and we don't know who.

umbrarchist

Black Lion · (#9 (**permalink**))

Sorry. Wrong room.

Gonna try get it moved.

Black Lion · (#10 (**permalink**))

"what did we do in our past lives to deserve what we are going through as a nation? Where did we go wrong? "

I didn't mean that in some kind of bad way. Some people would (like to)haveus think that because we prayed to ''diffrent'' Gods we were cursed or that we fell behind the rest of the world or some non sence when we had buildings and metal works just as everyone else did and belived that God was in everything.I wassemi disproving the whole Karma debt thing we were talking about in STs topic.

Your entire personality is characterized by the chemicals in your brain (RNA, etc.), which is totally of the physical world.

But whats the driving force behind the khemicals? My personality has changed since I was a kid andwhen I win the lottery no doubtthey'll change again. Reincarnation has to do with us as energy matterrather than anything physical, as energy never dies we are said to be recycled in the same way water goes through a cycle, evaporating, dissapating into the air and coming back down as rain again. I guess the, 'waiting room' would be where the water is trapped as humidty waiting to become rain again.Peacemaker mentions it, what we go through impacts on our personality.

In the end,reincarnation is just another belief system that attempts to explain what happens after death...

Some theories yeah, I don't like the Hindu version. Its more or less the evolution theory based on Karma. If you do bad as a human you're said to come back as an animal thats as low down the cycle as your actions. Might be why there are more rats in the world than there are humans but personally I think thats attaching human qualities to animals, rats might have their own thing going on for allwe know.

Some theories have it that there are animals higher up the chain than we are, Lizards, Cats and Birds for e.g soas part of our development astravelling energy matter we might incarnate as a cat,mightbringthat upwith the teachers at the Asaur Auset Society, they don't seem to like that one. The concept of immortality is the idea of keeping your idenitity over incarnations so you'd have all the knowledge of your past experiences. Like the Dali Lama. If any group can validate the idea of reincarnation its the Tibetan Monks its not as though they don'tmake sure they've got the right person.Only thing with that is that he always seems to be another Tibetan... why dosen't he reincarnate as an Aborigonee? Unless he can control who he incarnates as and chooses to come back as another Tibetan.

It's not all that important to know about though and only serves to be a distraction anyway. Buddhism is , so looking there will only confuse people.

Not all that important? Being able to intuit knowledge from past incarnations, know what happens after death etc etc?To know your full capability as a human being and why do you thinkBuddahism isabit off? It hardly has anything more to it than knowledge of self.

Better to think in terms of I instead of we.

Its we (Africans). We are a collective no matter how well we do individually it all impacts on the individual.

It's actually worse in somewaysto be in the English speaking nations, since that's where people develop alot of their problems. For example alot of serial Killers come from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Australia...more so than other countries. The psychological problems westernersdevelop are much much worse than what occurselsewhere in the world. Selfishness, greed, arrogance, racism, sexual perversions, etc, etc. And unfortunately it's purely the psychological aspects which decides what type oflife you'll end up leading in the future.

True. Has nothing to do with us though, other than what might rub off on us if thats what you mean.

You're thinking too much about black people materially. That's why you think blacks have gone wrong somehow.

Self preservation in a country ruled by an imbalanced people. I don't want to share their;attitudes- desires and goals for the most part.

Gotta get something to eat.

HTP

RL